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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Scania on 09 June 2008, 19:28:49
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I've just confirmed that the middle section of my exhaust has a hole in it. Thats the section where it splits into two & then goes into the back box.
Does anyone know how much this section costs and where I could get one preferebly fitted as I'm not that good with the spanners & I'll probably end up putting a hole in the fuel tank or something!
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I seem to recall they are about £130+vat ish from vx dealer, theres a RHS and LHS both about the same price.......and No you carnt get them on TC card :'(
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Or you could replace it with the 2 litre system from the cats back....one centre section one back box....less money same (lack of) performance. Thats what I've done and would do again....just a thought :y
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I've been quoted £225.00 supplied & fitted inc the vat so I guess £130+vat is about right.
Why does the 2.2 have a left & right pipe going into a single back box if the single pipe system from the 2.0 fits & works
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breathes easier Vaux parts last longer and sound better
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Exhaust is changed in 2.2 – probably due to loudness in 2.0. I don’t think that there is a way to fit 2.0 exhaust into 2.2 car. You would have to replace end box and few hooks.
Check the price of BOSAL and WALKER. These are Vx (GM) suppliers and can guarantee same quality as Vx ones (same exhaust, different badge).
You can get Bosal almost everywhere (http://www.leisureshack.co.uk/osb/showitem.cfm/Category/9 ) or MotorPartsDirect. As per Bosal, I will give you a phone no to call their rep.
You might get Vx quality for smaller price.
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please fit GM, do NOT fit pattern, sound awful, they are also false economy. GM ones last so much longer
Cat back for 2.2 costs £230 on TC from a dealer, fitted one to my dads 2.2
Pattern quote was £360!!!!!
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Tunnie - Was it easy to fit and did it come with all the rubbers & brackets?
By the way the guys who quoted £225.00 were quoting for either Bosal or Arvin with a 2yr warranty!
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Exhaust is changed in 2.2 – probably due to loudness in 2.0. I don’t think that there is a way to fit 2.0 exhaust into 2.2 car. You would have to replace end box and few hooks.
Check the price of BOSAL and WALKER. These are Vx (GM) suppliers and can guarantee same quality as Vx ones (same exhaust, different badge).
You can get Bosal almost everywhere (http://www.leisureshack.co.uk/osb/showitem.cfm/Category/9 ) or MotorPartsDirect. As per Bosal, I will give you a phone no to call their rep.
You might get Vx quality for smaller price.
The Bosal/Walker you buy direct are inferior quality to what they supply to Vauxhall.
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Tunnie - Was it easy to fit and did it come with all the rubbers & brackets?
By the way the guys who quoted £225.00 were quoting for either Bosal or Arvin with a 2yr warranty!
If you're lucky, they might even last 2yrs. But not much longer though. GM parts are significantly better quality, last longer, and are quieter.
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Tunnie - Was it easy to fit and did it come with all the rubbers & brackets?
By the way the guys who quoted £225.00 were quoting for either Bosal or Arvin with a 2yr warranty!
Yeh, thats because they only last 2 years!
GM one that came off my dads 2.2 was orginal! lasted 7 years at 98k miles. One came off mine, also lasted 7 years & 102k
PATTERN IS FALSE ECONOMY.
They also sound naff, ruin the feel of the car.
Won't need the rubbers, just re-use the current ones. Brackets yes, already on the zorst ;)
Only thing you may need to buy is clamps, I ordered cat back gm for my 2.2, came with the brackets, when i ordered my dads, did not come with any.
No big deal, i picked them up from a local motor factors for £1 each. (you need 3)
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The Bosal/Walker you buy direct are inferior quality to what they supply to Vauxhall.
Where do you have this information from?
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The Bosal/Walker you buy direct are inferior quality to what they supply to Vauxhall.
Where do you have this information from?
Experience
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The Bosal/Walker you buy direct are inferior quality to what they supply to Vauxhall.
Where do you have this information from?
Experience
I wouldn't put my experience on that :) - new GM exhaust last ca 4-6 years, same as Walker and Bosal.
New products (GM, Bosal, Walker or any GM supplier) are not the same as the were 10 years ago.
"No name, High quality products" are much worse, last up to 2 years.
Same thing with shocks - my mom has original GM (Sachs) shocks in her 98 Omega, while Opel has many claims about new GM geniune Sachs - they tend to leak in 2 year old cars!.
Reason? Production of most components was moved from Germany around 00-04 to cut costs.
BTW - which GM exhaust components are on the TC discount list?
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The Bosal/Walker you buy direct are inferior quality to what they supply to Vauxhall.
Where do you have this information from?
Experience
I wouldn't put my experience on that :) - new GM exhaust last ca 4-6 years, same as Walker and Bosal.
New products (GM, Bosal, Walker or any GM supplier) are not the same as the were 10 years ago.
"No name, High quality products" are much worse, last up to 2 years.
Same thing with shocks - my mom has original GM (Sachs) shocks in her 98 Omega, while Opel has many claims about new GM geniune Sachs - they tend to leak in 2 year old cars!.
Reason? Production of most components was moved from Germany around 00-04 to cut costs.
BTW - which GM exhaust components are on the TC discount list?
The quality of Bosal/Walker/etc exhausts I've popped off cars recently is definately poor, and these are exhausts are only around 2-3yrs old. Shocking. The quality of genuine parts I've put back on (be it Vauxhall, Audi, or Ford) is significantly better.
My little Rover, alas no genuine parts available, has pattern parts from same supplier on. Often don't get much more than 2yrs from them.
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The Bosal/Walker you buy direct are inferior quality to what they supply to Vauxhall.
Where do you have this information from?
Experience
I wouldn't put my experience on that :) - new GM exhaust last ca 4-6 years, same as Walker and Bosal.
New products (GM, Bosal, Walker or any GM supplier) are not the same as the were 10 years ago.
"No name, High quality products" are much worse, last up to 2 years.
Same thing with shocks - my mom has original GM (Sachs) shocks in her 98 Omega, while Opel has many claims about new GM geniune Sachs - they tend to leak in 2 year old cars!.
Reason? Production of most components was moved from Germany around 00-04 to cut costs.
BTW - which GM exhaust components are on the TC discount list?
I would like to see a patten exhaust last 7 years and 100k.....
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I have Omega 2.2. I found that mid boxes were changed in 2005. So GM genuine last only 5 years. New ones are from Walker, and according to your words should be in pieces now - there's no sign of rust or any loudness.
Exhaust in my 2.0 was replaced in 2004 (5 years), and when I bought the car, box was empty and loud (GM Genuine). I bought Bosal year ago and since then it's running on LPG and in town (2miles at the time) and there no sign of rust again.
Cheap products from motorists centres are not the same as Walker and Bosal. I tried them and agree that these last up to 2 years (especially when running on LPG).
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I have Omega 2.2. I found that mid boxes were changed in 2005. So GM genuine last only 5 years. New ones are from Walker, and according to your words should be in pieces now - there's no sign of rust or any loudness.
Exhaust in my 2.0 was replaced in 2004 (5 years), and when I bought the car, box was empty and loud (GM Genuine). I bought Bosal year ago and since then it's running on LPG and in town (2miles at the time) and there no sign of rust again.
Cheap products from motorists centres are not the same as Walker and Bosal. I tried them and agree that these last up to 2 years (especially when running on LPG).
Depends how the car has been driven.
5 years GM on town runs is still twice as long as pattern.
I have driven V6's with GM zorst, and bosal, there is a massive difference.
At the end of the day, buy what you like, its your choice, but from my experiance and my dads, get GM.
I don't really see why we are disucssing it so much, GM is £100 cheaper, and last longer! end of story!
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At the end of the day, buy what you like, its your choice, but from my experiance and my dads, get GM.
I don't really see why we are disucssing it so much, GM is £100 cheaper, and last longer! end of story!
Yes, I agree. Can you plese tell me at which Vx dealer I can get exhaust for 2.2 (from downpipe to back box) for £220? It's a hell a good price.
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At the end of the day, buy what you like, its your choice, but from my experiance and my dads, get GM.
I don't really see why we are disucssing it so much, GM is £100 cheaper, and last longer! end of story!
Yes, I agree. Can you plese tell me at which Vx dealer I can get exhaust for 2.2 (from downpipe to back box) for £220? It's a hell a good price.
You need a Trade Club card, to get it at that price.
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At the end of the day, buy what you like, its your choice, but from my experiance and my dads, get GM.
I don't really see why we are disucssing it so much, GM is £100 cheaper, and last longer! end of story!
Yes, I agree. Can you plese tell me at which Vx dealer I can get exhaust for 2.2 (from downpipe to back box) for £220? It's a hell a good price.
You need a Trade Club card, to get it at that price.
You could join ABS (autobahnstomers) their membership (£25 iic) gets you trade prices, but not all dealers accept it.
Worth joining, you get the membership fee back easily.
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I was thinking about it, but there’s so many issues – not every dealer accept TC, not every item is on the list. I cant get the discount list to check what items i need and will I get a discount.
If I would have bosal/Walker in similar price to GM – I would take GM.
Tunie – you wrote that you got exhaust for your 2.2 for £220. What part of exhaust was it? Few months ago I have asked GM dealer about exhaust system to my 2 Omegas. Just searched my e-mails and found a quotation for Omega X reg saloon 2.2 (I was looking for a cat, as mine is clogged):
-Downpipe incl cats – ca £450
-Back box - £211
-Mid box (one)– £160
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Once you have a TC ..even an ABS one, you can ask for access to the TC web site, takes about 12 hours to get !!
Once you have this access you can see ALL TC offers at any time ( well except the 3 months it took them to redo the site ... :( )
It is not difficult to find a dealer that takes TC, and once a "rapport" is established with them then other things seem to occur .. eg, I get full "trade" discount on non-TC items, without even asking for it... and I'm also told of trade "specials" the local dealers may be running - ok I only get this info when I'm there, rather than by e-mail etc ... - and it rarely is in the areas I'm interested in - but at least the dealers are making an effort IMHO.
This happens at my local dealers Skurrays, Swindon ... but when i had a smal problem on holiday in Southampton I got an identical service from Picador, purely on producing the ABS TC
IMHO its a no-brainer NOT to have one .. £20 well spent and you can save that on your first visit .. :)
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£220 was for cat back exhaust,
twin centre sections and a back box.
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Can you please give me their web site address? I cannot find it now.
Any way my last big order was to rebuild an engine, and was told that none of items I was looking for are on the TC list :(
Tunnie – that is a hell a good price comparing to prices I got from GM dealer (including discounts). I am looking for a downpipe with cats – what price I could buy it?
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ABS :
http://www.autobahnstormers.org
click "Club Info"
then "How to Join"
:)
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Tunnie - 2.2 estate centre sections not TC items
mkaminski100 - all dealers that participate in TC (list on tradeclub.co.uk) will take 'club' cards, sometimes you have to point out TC membership number to them. TC only covers 'service' parts, so engine rebuild stuff would not be included.
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mkaminski100 - all dealers that participate in TC (list on tradeclub.co.uk) will take 'club' cards, sometimes you have to point out TC membership number to them. TC only covers 'service' parts, so engine rebuild stuff would not be included.
I found that AutoBahnStormers TC is only for V6 users – do you think they might have a problem issuing a card for 4POT owner?
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You only need an "interest" in the V6 to be eligible to join ..... as you are obviously jealous of the power, smoothness and flexibility of the V6, this displays the required degree of "interest" .. so join up .. :y :y :y
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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You only need an "interest" in the V6 to be eligible to join ..... as you are obviously jealous of the power, smoothness and flexibility of the V6, this displays the required degree of "interest" .. so join up .. :y :y :y
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
True! 4pot shouldn't be in Omega!
ABH or VXon? which one do you trink is better?
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I'm with ABS .. very good service, and my experience with VX dealers has been excellent .. my local one even gives me "normal" trade discount on non-TC items .. :y :y :y
£20 well spent IMHO .. :) :)
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You only need an "interest" in the V6 to be eligible to join ..... as you are obviously jealous of the power, smoothness and flexibility of the V6, this displays the required degree of "interest" .. so join up .. :y :y :y
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
True! 4pot shouldn't be in Omega!
ABH or VXon? which one do you trink is better?
Seeing as VxON, to the best of my knowledge, they are still yet to send out a TC card, and some people have been waiting 2yrs for it, I reckon ABS is a better option if its just the TC card you want.
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I have sign up with ABS – 5l oil for £11…
BTW - How does it work? What does the club have to do to get a discount and to issue TC to users?
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Wouldn't it be good if OOF members could get one just because we are OOF members? OK..some conditions would probably have to be met (100/250/500 posts)?
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Wouldn't it be good if OOF members could get one just because we are OOF members? OK..some conditions would probably have to be met (100/250/500 posts)?
To provide TC through OOF, we have to make a number of changes to our setup, including charging to become a member of the club, and we are all against that - we prefer to provide all our info for free, and let you pay another club to get the TC, if that makes sense?
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Wouldn't it be good if OOF members could get one just because we are OOF members? OK..some conditions would probably have to be met (100/250/500 posts)?
To provide TC through OOF, we have to make a number of changes to our setup, including charging to become a member of the club, and we are all against that - we prefer to provide all our info for free, and let you pay another club to get the TC, if that makes sense?
I wonder if there's a way round this, by offering a "Premium Membership" level at a nominal £5...no real change, just a TC?
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Wouldn't it be good if OOF members could get one just because we are OOF members? OK..some conditions would probably have to be met (100/250/500 posts)?
To provide TC through OOF, we have to make a number of changes to our setup, including charging to become a member of the club, and we are all against that - we prefer to provide all our info for free, and let you pay another club to get the TC, if that makes sense?
What are the regulations about TC cards for clubs? I am thinking about polish clubs as this is nothing I would know - I can get parts from Opel with employee discount which is smaller than TC card.
I could as GM in Poland if they would like to allow polish Opel owners/club members to get a TC card.
BTW - are rocker cover on the TC list?
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Wouldn't it be good if OOF members could get one just because we are OOF members? OK..some conditions would probably have to be met (100/250/500 posts)?
To provide TC through OOF, we have to make a number of changes to our setup, including charging to become a member of the club, and we are all against that - we prefer to provide all our info for free, and let you pay another club to get the TC, if that makes sense?
I wonder if there's a way round this, by offering a "Premium Membership" level at a nominal £5...no real change, just a TC?
Personally, I am against tiered membership, as it implies some members are 'better' members than others.
There are many more hoops to jump through as well - it is not really geared up for Internet clubs.
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Wouldn't it be good if OOF members could get one just because we are OOF members? OK..some conditions would probably have to be met (100/250/500 posts)?
To provide TC through OOF, we have to make a number of changes to our setup, including charging to become a member of the club, and we are all against that - we prefer to provide all our info for free, and let you pay another club to get the TC, if that makes sense?
What are the regulations about TC cards for clubs? I am thinking about polish clubs as this is nothing I would know - I can get parts from Opel with employee discount which is smaller than TC card.
I could as GM in Poland if they would like to allow polish Opel owners/club members to get a TC card.
BTW - are rocker cover on the TC list?
Tradeclub is Vauxhall only, so go use outside of UK. Not sure if Opel run such a scheme - you will need to check with an Opel Dealer.
Rocker covers are not on the list - TC is for common service parts, and damaged rocker covers are not a common problem, and are not a service item.
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Wouldn't it be good if OOF members could get one just because we are OOF members? OK..some conditions would probably have to be met (100/250/500 posts)?
To provide TC through OOF, we have to make a number of changes to our setup, including charging to become a member of the club, and we are all against that - we prefer to provide all our info for free, and let you pay another club to get the TC, if that makes sense?
What are the regulations about TC cards for clubs? I am thinking about polish clubs as this is nothing I would know - I can get parts from Opel with employee discount which is smaller than TC card.
I could as GM in Poland if they would like to allow polish Opel owners/club members to get a TC card.
BTW - are rocker cover on the TC list?
Tradeclub is Vauxhall only, so go use outside of UK. Not sure if Opel run such a scheme - you will need to check with an Opel Dealer.
Rocker covers are not on the list - TC is for common service parts, and damaged rocker covers are not a common problem, and are not a service item.
I know that we (Opel Club Poland) would have to ask GM (Opel Poland) about any possibility of similar scheme. I don't want to use ABS TC there- it won't work :). I am asking about the rulea of UK scheme (number of members, time of forum existence etc) so that we would have an idea, how it works in UK and ask Opel Poland to do the same thing. I am sure that they don't know anything about it so it would be easier to know the rules given by Vx UK, before asking GM Poland.
I must say that rocker covers are quite common problem, but what can you do... :)
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One more thing – I am a 2.0l Omega owner. Am I eligible to get discounts for this engine spare parts? I’ve seen blue book from 2006 but I could only find discounted products for V6, few for TD and nothing for my 2.0.