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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: feeutfo on 17 July 2008, 18:45:44
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any opinions on this quote ladies and gents ? is thier work/system any good do you know? its for my 3.2, ta
Thank you for your enquiry to convert your car to environmentally friendly
LPG that is 50% cheaper than petrol. The conversion will cost £ 1,495 + VAT
using Lovatogas kit, and this quote includes:
- 2 yrs parts and labor warranty
- Free 2000 miles service
- Largest suitable tank (Stako)
- LPGA certificate
- Conversion within 5 days (Lovatogas)
- Color coded filler cap
- Full tank of LPG
- 6 month interest free financing (subject to status)
- Free pickup and delivery within 100 miles of Central London (extra 70
pence/mile over 100 miles)
- Free full valet cleaning after conversion
Please also note that we can provide a courtesy car while your car is being
converted from £ 12 /day. We also do recommend you to have petrol service
for your car before LPG conversion and we can provide this service for £75+
parts+VAT.
Please feel free to contact us on 0 800 970 4865 if you have any other
questions or to book your car in for conversion.
Tasso Autogas Limited
Clean Fuel Systems
56 Tasso Road London W6 8LZ
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Its cheaper than I paid - £1850 + VAT - ... but I went for BRC system which is a more expensive.
major differences are ...
system BRC v Lovatogas (?)
1000 m v 2000 m free service
Interest free option was not available to me
pick up/collection not offered
Full valet not offered ( but the car was NOT made dirty in any way)
I had a free courtesy car for the week
Given those points it seems a fair price .. but I've never heard of "lovatogas" system in all the research I did over 3 months !!
You "may" wish to consider/contact
http://www.amsautogas.com
They did mine and I would vouch for them any day, not cheap agreed but I'm pleased and those OOFers who have looked (WIM & The Lakes) seem reasonably impressed. I do know they now have a long waiting list ... October I believe but you would have to check.
HTH
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Thanks Entwood, :ywas at the wim day, looked like everyone approved of yours, tidy. first one i have seen, but i have an idea what to expect now. i guess they could do away with the valve addative and the bit about the tank size is a bit vague but i want a wheel well tank as i need the through space, so maybe cheeper with a mid size tank 64 ltrs. is yours a multi point system?(what ever that is,M dtm recomended it) i guess it is. the quote does not specify. ill google the kit and see what happens :-?
was hoping someone would know thier work, after seeing Dannys mare :o
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Chris have you tried the LPG conversion place down bennet road opposite Jaguar?
Paul :y
P.s Check out my post in meetings. ;) ;)
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Thanks Entwood, :ywas at the wim day, looked like everyone approved of yours, tidy. first one i have seen, but i have an idea what to expect now. i guess they could do away with the valve addative and the bit about the tank size is a bit vague but i want a wheel well tank as i need the through space, so maybe cheeper with a mid size tank 64 ltrs. is yours a multi point system?(what ever that is,M dtm recomended it) i guess it is. the quote does not specify. ill google the kit and see what happens :-?
was hoping someone would know thier work, after seeing Dannys mare :o
For an injected engine like Omega's have it MUST be a sequential multi-point injected system .. if the quote is for anything less ... walk away !!
You could always give Patrick a ring at the link I gave and discuss your requirements .. he does know his stuff and is very helpful
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Also bear in mind that a doughnut tank for the spare wheel area will be more expensive (100 quid or so more) and maximum size is about 60 litres (and it'll only fill to 80% of that).
Kevin
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woo, didnt know it was that critical! Clearly i have a bit more homework to do. I will ring your guys a.m. Thankyou.
And thankyou Paul i did not know we had a place in Reading. Spoke to Dk and others and they did not know of anyone either. Drove past jaguar today, after finally getting second key cut. Auto box oil change tomorrow, so maybe ill have a mooch at the weekend. Ta.
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For an injected engine like Omega's have it MUST be a sequential multi-point injected system .. if the quote is for anything less ... walk away !!
Does that only apply to V6's? I've nearly got my lambda controlled mixer setup working on my 2.0 - but if its essential, then looks like a front end upgrade needed!
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http://www.lovatogas.com
Anyone speak italian?
There is evidence of a sequential injection system in the pictures.
Kevin
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http://www.lovatogas.com
Anyone speak italian?
There is evidence of a sequential injection system in the pictures.
Kevin
Lovato have been around since God was a lad, in LPG terms...my dad used to do LPG conversions 25-30 years ago and used their stuff - not sure nowadays, but was the best back then.
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Also bear in mind that a doughnut tank for the spare wheel area will be more expensive (100 quid or so more) and maximum size is about 60 litres (and it'll only fill to 80% of that).
Kevin
dohnut tank is More £ than a 100 litre tank?i was assuming the largest tank available would be 100 litre? So more £ for a smaller tank, if thats correct?
A Dohnut tank would be 48 litres roughly, then. 22 litre less less than my petrol fuel tank. 206 miles range if it was petrol based on 300 miles a tank i get at the moment.(ish, i keep booting it at 5am) so what range can be had from 48 litres of gas with my driving?180miles???
I better use the quotes i cant keep up.
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For an injected engine like Omega's have it MUST be a sequential multi-point injected system .. if the quote is for anything less ... walk away !!
Does that only apply to V6's? I've nearly got my lambda controlled mixer setup working on my 2.0 - but if its essential, then looks like a front end upgrade needed!
SGI systems will always be superior to mixers but there are mixer systems on the 4 pots that seem to work reasonably well.
Due to the multiram system through which the V6 breathes, and the fact that there is a separate closed loop lambda system for each bank, it is rather difficult to get a mixer system to work successfully - and, given the price of SGI systems these days, not worth bothering, IMHO.
Kevin
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Sorry .. I keep forgetting there are some Omega's with only 2/3 rds of an engine ;D ;D ;D
I should have said for the V6 engine sequential multipoint is essential, as Kevin has rightly explained .. :y :y
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Also bear in mind that a doughnut tank for the spare wheel area will be more expensive (100 quid or so more) and maximum size is about 60 litres (and it'll only fill to 80% of that).
Kevin
dohnut tank is More £ than a 100 litre tank?i was assuming the largest tank available would be 100 litre? So more £ for a smaller tank, if thats correct?
A Dohnut tank would be 48 litres roughly, then. 22 litre less less than my petrol fuel tank. 206 miles range if it was petrol based on 300 miles a tank i get at the moment.(ish, i keep booting it at 5am) so what range can be had from 48 litres of gas with my driving?180miles???
I better use the quotes i cant keep up.
Yep. Due to the more complex construction doughnut tanks are more expensive pretty much regardless of size.
I was seriously interested in a vertical doughnut tank but in the end decided the range was going to be a pain. In addition, all the weight ends up on one side of the car, right at the back and they can play up if not installed absolutely vertical.
Kevin
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Sorry .. I keep forgetting there are some Omega's with only 2/3 rds of an engine ;D ;D ;D
I should have said for the V6 engine sequential multipoint is essential, as Kevin has rightly explained .. :y :y
Given the rams and dual throttle body setup of a V6, it would have to be a very trick mixer system to work properly! Agreed, an SGI system would be best but i'll see how i do with the mixer first.
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any opinions on this quote ladies and gents ? is thier work/system any good do you know? its for my 3.2, ta
Thank you for your enquiry to convert your car to environmentally friendly
LPG that is 50% cheaper than petrol. The conversion will cost £ 1,495 + VAT
using Lovatogas kit, and this quote includes:
- 2 yrs parts and labor warranty
- Free 2000 miles service
- Largest suitable tank (Stako)
- LPGA certificate
- Conversion within 5 days (Lovatogas)
- Color coded filler cap
- Full tank of LPG
- 6 month interest free financing (subject to status)
- Free pickup and delivery within 100 miles of Central London (extra 70
pence/mile over 100 miles)
- Free full valet cleaning after conversion
Please also note that we can provide a courtesy car while your car is being
converted from £ 12 /day. We also do recommend you to have petrol service
for your car before LPG conversion and we can provide this service for £75+
parts+VAT.
Please feel free to contact us on 0 800 970 4865 if you have any other
questions or to book your car in for conversion.
Tasso Autogas Limited
Clean Fuel Systems
56 Tasso Road London W6 8LZ
not a bad quote all in all mate, especially if they confirm it to be a SGI system.
Why not go down the DIY route, i'm not tarnising all companies the same way but you read some of the reports from members of the the forum who have had conversions and there have been issues with installation, set up and overall quality, Entwood does seem to be the exception)
DIY conversions on the other hand seem to be done to a far better standard because it is our own car.
If you have a moderate level of mechanical knowledge then fitting an LPG kit is not rocket science.
Cost, between £650 and £700 including VAT
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finally got round to chasing this up and it is a multi point sequential system, and your choice of tank in my case dohnut in the spare wheel well.
Enquired about buying just the kit but they want me to send an email as they just closing!!!
Anybody used them yet?
Cheers Chris.
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ps i worked out that if i pay by finance i will have to find an extra 133 a month for 6 months when taking the lpg saving into account! Smart.
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Make sure you go for a 4 hole tank - with the 3.2 it's the only way you will get enough LPG to the front of the car, also it will fill much quicker than a multivalve.
I'd ask these guys if they have done any V6 Omegas before and if you could speak to a previous Omega customer for a reference.
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Definitely do as SteveD says... Don't just take their word for it... Get references.
Also, if you are moderately capable then go down the DIY route... I can PM you the details of the guy who supplied most of the DIY kits used before (not Jeremy but his supplier!) who will do you a cracking deal. :y :y :y
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personally i would go down the DIY route.
I know next to nothing about LPG, but i would seriously consider going DIY.
Speak to some members here, and see if they can help.
DIY kit is £700. Remember you need a beefier tank for 3.0's with increased flow.
That leaves you £800 spare, compared with that quote.
Use those funds to 'bribe' members here, pay for their fuel, hotel if needed, and cash on the side.
You know then that its been done right, having seen the trouble Danny had with his, i would hate to see that happen again.
My vote is DIY :y
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personally i would go down the DIY route.
I know next to nothing about LPG, but i would seriously consider going DIY.
Speak to some members here, and see if they can help.
DIY kit is £700. Remember you need a beefier tank for 3.0's with increased flow.
That leaves you £800 spare, compared with that quote.
Use those funds to 'bribe' members here, pay for their fuel, hotel if needed, and cash on the side.
You know then that its been done right, having seen the trouble Danny had with his, i would hate to see that happen again.
My vote is DIY :y
I wouldn't let a so called professional anywhere near my car!!! After Danny's problems, then I looked at Snips' conversion, which is very neat but not right, I'd rather do my own (like I am) with any available assistance from other members!!
I will have a spare inlet manifold from a 3.0, not sure if it's the same for the 3.2, which is available for members to borrow on an exchange basis :y :y :y :y
Do as Tunnie suggested and seek more advice from members here. I, for one, would be willing to assist anyone who wants to go down the DIY route if time allowed for no more than my travel/accommodation costs and an endless supply of tea during the day :y :y :y :y
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personally i would go down the DIY route.
I know next to nothing about LPG, but i would seriously consider going DIY.
Speak to some members here, and see if they can help.
DIY kit is £700. Remember you need a beefier tank for 3.0's with increased flow.
That leaves you £800 spare, compared with that quote.
Use those funds to 'bribe' members here, pay for their fuel, hotel if needed, and cash on the side.
You know then that its been done right, having seen the trouble Danny had with his, i would hate to see that happen again.
My vote is DIY :y
I wouldn't let a so called professional anywhere near my car!!! After Danny's problems, then I looked at Snips' conversion, which is very neat but not right, I'd rather do my own (like I am) with any available assistance from other members!!
I will have a spare inlet manifold from a 3.0, not sure if it's the same for the 3.2, which is available for members to borrow on an exchange basis :y :y :y :y
Do as Tunnie suggested and seek more advice from members here. I, for one, would be willing to assist anyone who wants to go down the DIY route if time allowed for no more than my travel/accommodation costs and an endless supply of tea during the day :y :y :y :y
Could not agree more.
Chris - Take a look at Kevin Woods photos of his install... thats a DIY!!
I seriously ..... seriously doubt any garage can do a better job than Kevin did.
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I fitted a Bigas SGIN system with a 90 litre tank across the back of my Elite under the parcel shelf, it was a tight fit because of the sound system in the cars, this gives me just over 70 litres of gas. The system was easy to set up with a lap top & came from Tinley Tech who will help you throughout. Car runs better than petrol now. My Vectra 2 litre has a mixer system but was harder to set up as a DIY.
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in 2 minds tbh. If i do it myself i am sure i can do a good job and wont have to worry about what they are doing with my car. But trouble is diy jobs have a habit of not getting finished for months with one thing or another. I could save 800 sobs true, but if i can find a place to do a decent job then i would pay that for the agro saved and getting the job done and dusted. Thinking about it, if you HAVE to pay over 2k to get a decent install then i would defo diy
But this is almost cheap enough to be worth the risk. As said i need to check some refs and maybe pay a visit and see what they get up to. They said they do over 20 cars a day.(not IN a day mind) Next appointment was tues 19th return by following fri/ sat.
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I would do the sums carefully. I'm not sure I'd have bothered to convert mine had it not been possible DIY. With the cost of LPG in the area (62p a litre the norm, 59.9 if you're lucky) it will take the best part of 10k miles to pay back the conversion costs for me. Add another grand to the costs and you're up to well over 20k before you see any savings.
That's more than a year of motoring for me and with petrol coming down in price and LPG still on the up (another 1p a litre for me this week) it could be longer still. :-/
It's certainly worth it on a DIY basis but, given the added risk associated with getting the work done, and the added cost.... :-/
Kevin
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I fitted a Bigas SGIN system with a 90 litre tank across the back of my Elite under the parcel shelf, it was a tight fit because of the sound system in the cars, this gives me just over 70 litres of gas. The system was easy to set up with a lap top & came from Tinley Tech who will help you throughout. Car runs better than petrol now. My Vectra 2 litre has a mixer system but was harder to set up as a DIY.
You've just made my day!!!! Was really unsure whether it'd fit as I've ended up with a 90L due to the 80L being out of stock!!
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Hi Guys,
just to let you know we can convert your omega using the top of the range OMVL system.
The usual price for 6cyl is £1750 (all inc) but as I'm the owner of omega I'm sure we could do couple hundred quid off 8-)
If anyone wants to have a look (have a test drive) at the car before being converted you are more then welcome to do so.
any queries: info@autogassolutions.co.uk
Regards,
Andrew
AutoGas Solutions UK
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Hi Guys,
just to let you know we can convert your omega using the top of the range OMVL system.
The usual price for 6cyl is £1750 (all inc) but as I'm the owner of omega I'm sure we could do couple hundred quid off 8-)
If anyone wants to have a look (have a test drive) at the car before being converted you are more then welcome to do so.
any queries: info@autogassolutions.co.uk
Regards,
Andrew
AutoGas Solutions UK
It's a good price but still a lot of money to spend on a car that's worth less than that :-? :-? :-?
I still say if you can throw a spanner about, you can DIY (with the assistance/advice of others here who have done it :y :y :y :y
Incidentally Andrew, I looked at your company at one point when I was thinking about converting... Just felt that I couldn't justify nearly tripling the payback time when I'm perfectly capable of DIY! :y :y