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Title: 2.5td oil change
Post by: yatesDELTA on 15 August 2008, 18:30:31
So i have decided mr mechanic is a bit expensive for oil changes and am thinking of doing it myself as its a bit over due.  I have no previous experience (except for a change on my old Sierra years ago. I didnt put it back right and BANG. was a bit off putting to say the least) Anyhow i dont have a torque wrench and ive checked Halfrauds website and they are a good 50 quid.
How important is it to use one? can i get it cheapper else where?

Thanks
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: Auto Addict on 15 August 2008, 18:33:36
You can get cheaper ones, Halfords is a good buy.

If you're going to do your own oil changes, it will soon pay for itself.

I wouldn't attempt to tighten up the sump plug without a torque wrench.
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: Alex Wood on 15 August 2008, 18:51:03
What didn't you put back right, sump plug or filter? Never used a torque wrench for an oil change but did have to drop the car back down and drive to Halfords for torx sockets when I got under my Elite for the first time and looked at the sump plug!
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: MickAP on 15 August 2008, 19:29:47
Don't want to put you off but I did my oil change and two problems on the TD. No 1 you need quite a large socket attached to a long extension to remove the filter, and no 2 watch out that you don't strip the sump plug.
See here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1164549800
I borrowed a socket from a neighbour for the filter and my sump plug would not tighten up enough, just kept spinning. I reckon the threads were knackered before I went near it. Anyway it held the oil in all but for a small drip but then seemed to seal itself.
Took it to my independant VX dealer after that £37 for oil change, seems worth it to me anyway, and you don't have to get rid of the oil afterwards.

Mick
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: Andy B on 15 August 2008, 20:18:42
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Took it to my independant VX dealer after that £37 for oil change, seems worth it to me anyway, and you don't have to get rid of the oil afterwards.

Mick

What ever works for you Mick, but you do realise that you could buy 4 metric gallons of semi-synthetic for that money.
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: MickAP on 15 August 2008, 20:49:55
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Took it to my independant VX dealer after that £37 for oil change, seems worth it to me anyway, and you don't have to get rid of the oil afterwards.

Mick

What ever works for you Mick, but you do realise that you could buy 4 metric gallons of semi-synthetic for that money.

Yeah and the old bones don't like it either grovelling about under a car, for the younger one's I think these days.

Mick
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: yatesDELTA on 15 August 2008, 21:26:12
if i can get cheaper wrenches were from?
Also do halfrauds sell the sockets seperatly? cos i hunted through my shed earlier and couldnt find one large enough.
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 15 August 2008, 21:29:54
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Don't want to put you off but I did my oil change and two problems on the TD. No 1 you need quite a large socket attached to a long extension to remove the filter, and no 2 watch out that you don't strip the sump plug.
See here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1164549800
I borrowed a socket from a neighbour for the filter and my sump plug would not tighten up enough, just kept spinning. I reckon the threads were knackered before I went near it. Anyway it held the oil in all but for a small drip but then seemed to seal itself.
Took it to my independant VX dealer after that £37 for oil change, seems worth it to me anyway, and you don't have to get rid of the oil afterwards.

Mick
OP's is an earlier one, so has a 13mm bolt, not the 36mm socket.
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 15 August 2008, 21:31:16
Be very, very, very, very, very careful on the BMW sump plug, far too easy to strip. Typical BMW junk I'm afraid.

Sealey do cheap OK-ish torque wrenches
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: yatesDELTA on 15 August 2008, 21:44:29
Do halfrauds sell these sealey wrenches?

with the Sierra i dont think i tightened the filter enough and it ran dry. These cars didnt have an oil low light thing so i hadnt the faintest all the oil had came out of it. So i was faced with a decision. New engine or that shiny Mondeo at the dealers... hmmm what would you choose lol (At the time i really wanted one)
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 15 August 2008, 21:47:46
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Do halfrauds sell these sealey wrenches?

with the Sierra i dont think i tightened the filter enough and it ran dry. These cars didnt have an oil low light thing so i hadnt the faintest all the oil had came out of it. So i was faced with a decision. New engine or that shiny Mondeo at the dealers... hmmm what would you choose lol (At the time i really wanted one)
The TD has a more secure oil filter (paper element type)...
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: tunnie on 15 August 2008, 23:07:11
remember oil changes on the TD should be every 3k max!
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: yatesDELTA on 15 August 2008, 23:16:19
Umm yes about that....   you wouldnt be pleased with me then. Nor will me car actually. Thats why i think i should learn to do it myself. I cant afford to get the garage to do it and i have less mechanical knowledge than my dog.
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 16 August 2008, 11:06:19
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Umm yes about that....   you wouldnt be pleased with me then. Nor will me car actually. Thats why i think i should learn to do it myself. I cant afford to get the garage to do it and i have less mechanical knowledge than my dog.
Not sticking to 3k (remember BMW say 4.5k MAX) will cause you massive headaches.

Many regulars here will remember the saga of my beloved Project Tractor last year - a car bought from a member with overheating issues....

Bought in Feb 07, overheated if pushed, and always overpressurised the coolant.  By May, every part of the cooling system had been replaced, still the same.  Then it dawned on us (Omegatoy - who helped extensively with this project - and I) that the issue may be oil blockages - these engines also use oil jets for cooling.  Looking at the history I have (not much before my ownership) showed it was services every 10k.  Cleaned out the oil cured the overheating problem (but not the overpressurising).  Overpressurising as located to a cracked head, caused most likely by overheating.


So, the moral is that tractor owners must keep to the (earlier) service scehdule, or better.  The later 7.5k schedule is like the current 20k petrol schedule - it will damage your engine.
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: yatesDELTA on 16 August 2008, 11:28:33
Okay i think i must do it as soon as possible (ive done 10K on this car and the previous owner 7K so its been atleast 17K since any service has been done)

does halfrauds sell the oil filters?
i was planning to do this tomorow so yeah

Also the huge socket for the filter...  is it that or not?
Might have to play around today to see if my extension bar for socket set is long enough
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 16 August 2008, 11:34:41
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Okay i think i must do it as soon as possible (ive done 10K on this car and the previous owner 7K so its been atleast 17K since any service has been done)

does halfrauds sell the oil filters?
i was planning to do this tomorow so yeah

Also the huge socket for the filter...  is it that or not?
Might have to play around today to see if my extension bar for socket set is long enough
Do it asap!!

Dealer for filter (and oil) - get a TC card, makes it cheaper ;).

Pretty certain yours is a U25DT, so 13mm bolt.  Sadly, it means more expensive filter though  :'(
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: yatesDELTA on 16 August 2008, 11:43:09
So halfords dont stock them?

Cos the nearest vaux dealer is further away. Also im not gonna get chance to go til tomorow as i have things to do today so i duno if the dealer will be open.  

Atleast now i dont need a bigger socket :P
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: yatesDELTA on 16 August 2008, 11:53:24
Also what is the price of vaux oil? as on halfords website its gonna cost like 40 quid for oil alone...  mr mechanic would be cheaper than this
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 16 August 2008, 14:01:56
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So halfords dont stock them?

Cos the nearest vaux dealer is further away. Also im not gonna get chance to go til tomorow as i have things to do today so i duno if the dealer will be open.  

Atleast now i dont need a bigger socket :P
Halfords would sell them, but whether or not they stock them......

With a TC card, filter is £10 + VAT, Oil is approx £30 + VAT for 4 x 5l cans

TD engine takes approx 6.5l
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: MickAP on 16 August 2008, 14:10:20
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Okay i think i must do it as soon as possible (ive done 10K on this car and the previous owner 7K so its been atleast 17K since any service has been done)

does halfrauds sell the oil filters?
i was planning to do this tomorow so yeah

Also the huge socket for the filter...  is it that or not?
Might have to play around today to see if my extension bar for socket set is long enough

Did you look to see if your's has the same oil filter cover the same as in the guide I posted up. Some say it maybe different to that (smaller socket needed)

Mick
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: FRE07962128 on 16 August 2008, 14:13:24
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You can get cheaper ones, Halfords is a good buy.

If you're going to do your own oil changes, it will soon pay for itself.

I wouldn't attempt to tighten up the sump plug without a torque wrench.[/quote]



In forty years of servicing cars I have never used a torque wrench on the sump plug :o :o; you just know that you must never over-tighten! ;)


Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 16 August 2008, 14:14:17
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Okay i think i must do it as soon as possible (ive done 10K on this car and the previous owner 7K so its been atleast 17K since any service has been done)

does halfrauds sell the oil filters?
i was planning to do this tomorow so yeah

Also the huge socket for the filter...  is it that or not?
Might have to play around today to see if my extension bar for socket set is long enough

Did you look to see if your's has the same oil filter cover the same as in the guide I posted up. Some say it maybe different to that (smaller socket needed)

Mick
U25DT engine have metal oil filter cap, with 13mm bolt.

X25DT engine matel plastic oil filter cap, with 36mm socket reqd.

X25DT came in around 96, easiest way to tell apart is X25DT has a MAF
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: FRE07962128 on 16 August 2008, 14:17:31
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Also what is the price of vaux oil? as on halfords website its gonna cost like 40 quid for oil alone...  mr mechanic would be cheaper than this


With a ABS Trade Card I purchased 5 litres of Vauxhall semi-synthetic oil (part 093165216) for £9.51 + VAT on 17th July 2008. :y :y
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 16 August 2008, 14:30:19
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Also what is the price of vaux oil? as on halfords website its gonna cost like 40 quid for oil alone...  mr mechanic would be cheaper than this


With a ABS Trade Card I purchased 5 litres of Vauxhall semi-synthetic oil (part 093165216) for £9.51 + VAT on 17th July 2008. :y :y
Remember its 4 for the price of 3 on Vx oil on TC ;)
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: FRE07962128 on 16 August 2008, 14:33:38
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Also what is the price of vaux oil? as on halfords website its gonna cost like 40 quid for oil alone...  mr mechanic would be cheaper than this


With a ABS Trade Card I purchased 5 litres of Vauxhall semi-synthetic oil (part 093165216) for £9.51 + VAT on 17th July 2008. :y :y
Remember its 4 for the price of 3 on Vx oil on TC ;)



Now that is worth knowing TB! :y :y
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: yatesDELTA on 16 August 2008, 15:35:19
Okay thanks ill check when SWMBO has comes back from whereever it is she has gone with the car :P

In Tesco (i had to cycle there for some food) there was Castrol oil, 4l for 13 quid. As i dont have a card i may go for this.

So hopefully tomorow my car will be a bit healthier. Assuming all goes well. Whilst im at it i may aswell get a new airfilter as that has been a easy job on previous cars.
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 16 August 2008, 17:05:23
Get a TC card (£20 via ABS site), and do it next weekend ;)
Title: Re: 2.5td oil change
Post by: TheBoy on 16 August 2008, 17:08:30
And to tell filter type...

Old style...
(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/odds/td_engine/IMG_2655.JPG)


New style...
(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/odds/td_engine/IMG_2654.JPG)


And this also help distinguish between U25DT and X25DT is if you have a MAF near air filter...
(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/odds/td_engine/IMG_2656.JPG)