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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: MikeDundee on 16 September 2008, 19:14:01
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.....changed the DIS packs at the weekend, took the car for a run evrything appeared fine ::)..however, since then the problem has returned, misfires >:(...........OK so did'nt change the plugs, have them on order and will change them on Saturday........cleared the stored codes tonight, started engine, was not happy at all, read codes again misfires on 3, 5 & 6, prior to this when first started engine after clearing codes EML started to flash then eventualy stay on, that has been the case most days with the EML since changing the DIS packs, and also prior to changing DIS packs after when the problem occured after returning from Newent. I have read through the help section looking for similar problems and came across, spark plugs and possibly CATS............and yes MarksDTM you were probably correct in your diagnosis.....so comments suggestions please ::)
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A faulty new pack?????
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.....changed the DIS packs at the weekend, took the car for a run evrything appeared fine ::)..however, since then the problem has returned, misfires >:(...........OK so did'nt change the plugs, have them on order and will change them on Saturday........cleared the stored codes tonight, started engine, was not happy at all, read codes again misfires on 3, 5 & 6, prior to this when first started engine after clearing codes EML started to flash then eventualy stay on, that has been the case most days with the EML since changing the DIS packs, and also prior to changing DIS packs after when the problem occured after returning from Newent. I have read through the help section looking for similar problems and came across, spark plugs and possibly CATS............and yes MarksDTM you were probably correct in your diagnosis.....so comments suggestions please ::)
What did Mark say was wrong??
Tho id say get rid of it.......obviously going to be new engine job.....i'll give ya £50 to take off yer hands :y :D
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.....changed the DIS packs at the weekend, took the car for a run evrything appeared fine ::)..however, since then the problem has returned, misfires >:(...........OK so did'nt change the plugs, have them on order and will change them on Saturday........cleared the stored codes tonight, started engine, was not happy at all, read codes again misfires on 3, 5 & 6, prior to this when first started engine after clearing codes EML started to flash then eventualy stay on, that has been the case most days with the EML since changing the DIS packs, and also prior to changing DIS packs after when the problem occured after returning from Newent. I have read through the help section looking for similar problems and came across, spark plugs and possibly CATS............and yes MarksDTM you were probably correct in your diagnosis.....so comments suggestions please ::)
What did Mark say was wrong??
Tho id say get rid of it.......obviously going to be new engine job.....i'll give ya £5,000 to take off yer hands :y :D
OK no probs PM sent Well Marks thought it was something else, as well as potentially the DIS packs. Wether it's faulty DIS pack not sure, will change plugs at weekend and see what happens ::)
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.....changed the DIS packs at the weekend, took the car for a run evrything appeared fine ::)..however, since then the problem has returned, misfires >:(...........OK so did'nt change the plugs, have them on order and will change them on Saturday........cleared the stored codes tonight, started engine, was not happy at all, read codes again misfires on 3, 5 & 6, prior to this when first started engine after clearing codes EML started to flash then eventualy stay on, that has been the case most days with the EML since changing the DIS packs, and also prior to changing DIS packs after when the problem occured after returning from Newent. I have read through the help section looking for similar problems and came across, spark plugs and possibly CATS............and yes MarksDTM you were probably correct in your diagnosis.....so comments suggestions please ::)
What did Mark say was wrong??
Tho id say get rid of it.......obviously going to be new engine job.....i'll give ya £5 to take off yer hands :y :D
OK no probs PM sent Well Marks thought it was something else, as well as potentially the DIS packs. Wether it's faulty DIS pack not sure, will change plugs at weekend and see what happens ::)
But what tho ::)
Done deal fiver it is then :y
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.....changed the DIS packs at the weekend, took the car for a run evrything appeared fine ::)..however, since then the problem has returned, misfires >:(...........OK so did'nt change the plugs, have them on order and will change them on Saturday........cleared the stored codes tonight, started engine, was not happy at all, read codes again misfires on 3, 5 & 6, prior to this when first started engine after clearing codes EML started to flash then eventualy stay on, that has been the case most days with the EML since changing the DIS packs, and also prior to changing DIS packs after when the problem occured after returning from Newent. I have read through the help section looking for similar problems and came across, spark plugs and possibly CATS............and yes MarksDTM you were probably correct in your diagnosis.....so comments suggestions please ::)
What did Mark say was wrong??
Tho id say get rid of it.......obviously going to be new engine job.....i'll give ya £5,000 to take off yer hands :y :D
OK no probs PM sent Well Marks thought it was something else, as well as potentially the DIS packs. Wether it's faulty DIS pack not sure, will change plugs at weekend and see what happens ::)
But what tho ::)
Done deal five grand it is then :y
Ok then fine :y;D
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.....changed the DIS packs at the weekend, took the car for a run evrything appeared fine ::)..however, since then the problem has returned, misfires >:(...........OK so did'nt change the plugs, have them on order and will change them on Saturday........cleared the stored codes tonight, started engine, was not happy at all, read codes again misfires on 3, 5 & 6, prior to this when first started engine after clearing codes EML started to flash then eventualy stay on, that has been the case most days with the EML since changing the DIS packs, and also prior to changing DIS packs after when the problem occured after returning from Newent. I have read through the help section looking for similar problems and came across, spark plugs and possibly CATS............and yes MarksDTM you were probably correct in your diagnosis.....so comments suggestions please ::)
So I assume I am heading in the right direction ::)..or possibly something else??
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As we talked about before, when you get breakdown around the plugs you often get arcing down the insulators of the plug body. When this happens metal is deposited on the side of the insulator and hence the fault is likely to return even with new DIS packs.
So, them plugs need changing.
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Woo, packs buggerd the plugs as well! Will remember that one. One of my packs is looking a bit iffy. A phew tiny cracks on the iron core moulding but nothing thats gone through. Rubber is fine.
Still wondering if silicone grease will help keep the rubber plugs in good nic and top seal a bit more water tight? Ford use it with their ht leads, or they did on my old mondeo anyway.
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Woo, packs buggerd the plugs as well! Will remember that one. One of my packs is looking a bit iffy. A phew tiny cracks on the iron core moulding but nothing thats gone through. Rubber is fine.
Still wondering if silicone grease will help keep the rubber plugs in good nic and top seal a bit more water tight? Ford use it with their ht leads, or they did on my old mondeo anyway.
Mondeos suffer badly from lead trouble so anything in this case might help.
Cant see it doing much for a coil apck as its either the boots that fail following an oil bath or the cores that got following corrosion.
In Mr Dundees case, the boots were so bad that moisture looks to have been getting in the spark has been tracking a cross the insulator which with time results in a layer of metal being deposited.
As a quick measure, this can be cleaned off with T-cut or jif.....
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Woo, packs buggerd the plugs as well! Will remember that one. One of my packs is looking a bit iffy. A phew tiny cracks on the iron core moulding but nothing thats gone through. Rubber is fine.
Still wondering if silicone grease will help keep the rubber plugs in good nic and top seal a bit more water tight? Ford use it with their ht leads, or they did on my old mondeo anyway.
Mondeos suffer badly from lead trouble so anything in this case might help.
Cant see it doing much for a coil apck as its either the boots that fail following an oil bath or the cores that got following corrosion.
In Mr Dundees case, the boots were so bad that moisture looks to have been getting in the spark has been tracking a cross the insulator which with time results in a layer of metal being deposited.
As a quick measure, this can be cleaned off with T-cut or jif.....
Thanks again Marks for the replies, plugs should be here tomorrow, change on saturday, now another quick query regarding plugs, are these pre-set eg, do they need to be set with the feeeler guages? ::)
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Woo, packs buggerd the plugs as well! Will remember that one. One of my packs is looking a bit iffy. A phew tiny cracks on the iron core moulding but nothing thats gone through. Rubber is fine.
Still wondering if silicone grease will help keep the rubber plugs in good nic and top seal a bit more water tight? Ford use it with their ht leads, or they did on my old mondeo anyway.
Mondeos suffer badly from lead trouble so anything in this case might help.
Cant see it doing much for a coil apck as its either the boots that fail following an oil bath or the cores that got following corrosion.
In Mr Dundees case, the boots were so bad that moisture looks to have been getting in the spark has been tracking a cross the insulator which with time results in a layer of metal being deposited.
As a quick measure, this can be cleaned off with T-cut or jif.....
Thanks again Marks for the replies, plugs should be here tomorrow, change on saturday, now another quick query regarding plugs, are these pre-set eg, do they need to be set with the feeeler guages? ::)
Lol, not had to set plug gaps for a long time!
Fit straight from the box :y
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Woo, packs buggerd the plugs as well! Will remember that one. One of my packs is looking a bit iffy. A phew tiny cracks on the iron core moulding but nothing thats gone through. Rubber is fine.
Still wondering if silicone grease will help keep the rubber plugs in good nic and top seal a bit more water tight? Ford use it with their ht leads, or they did on my old mondeo anyway.
Mondeos suffer badly from lead trouble so anything in this case might help.
Cant see it doing much for a coil apck as its either the boots that fail following an oil bath or the cores that got following corrosion.
In Mr Dundees case, the boots were so bad that moisture looks to have been getting in the spark has been tracking a cross the insulator which with time results in a layer of metal being deposited.
As a quick measure, this can be cleaned off with T-cut or jif.....
Thanks again Marks for the replies, plugs should be here tomorrow, change on saturday, now another quick query regarding plugs, are these pre-set eg, do they need to be set with the feeeler guages? ::)
Lol, not had to set plug gaps for a long time!
Fit straight from the box :y
Thanks again :y...knew I was right :-/
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Update.....changed the plugs today, and all appears fine now, see pics below of plugs removed, plugs from 1,3,5 2 of which were naffed and also loose prior to removal as was one plug on bank 2-4-6, anyway seems fine now, cleaned out all the crud from the plug wells etc., and you see my special tool to help remove some of the crud...so all going well back on the road again :y
Oh and these plugs were seemingly changed by Vx at 87k ::) acording to my invoice that I kept, the car has now done almost 115k so did'nt even get 40k out of them ::)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/mickdundee_01/2008_0920DISPACKS0001.jpg)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/mickdundee_01/2008_0920DISPACKS0002.jpg)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k65/mickdundee_01/2008_0920DISPACKS0003.jpg)
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Could just be my old eyes ::) ::) But 2 or 3 of the plugs look like they are twin core instead of 4 quad core...
Glad its all better now :y
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Could just be my old eyes ::) ::) But 2 or 3 of the plugs look like they are twin core instead of 4 quad core...
Glad its all better now :y
I did notice the difference when changing them today, as the ones I put back in were 4 quad.
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Well Done Mike a job well done there mate :y
Also love the idea of the Dyson to suck out the crud where would you get such an idea? ::)
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Have been reading post with interest and pleased to hear all is now sorted..must say I agree with SP_3.2 as it does look like you had a mixture of 2 and 4 electrode plugs,so if fitted by VX just shows what a shoddy job they do for the price they charge.
Will you be patenting the dyson plug cleaner thingy then ??
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Well Done Mike a job well done there mate :y
Also love the idea of the Dyson to suck out the crud where would you get such an idea? ::)
Some idiot from Massive country I think......do you know him ::) ;D
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Lmao... No everyone in Massive mate :D
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Lmao... No everyone in Massive mate :D
Don't you mean know ::)
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No... I meant No ;D
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No... I meant No ;D
Thats what I thought ::)
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They were all twin electrode which is a good thing, dont rate the quad ones at all!
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er...am i the only one concerned that plug 1 has part of the electrode insulator missing, which presumably fell off in the boar? And plug 5 shows signs of oil in the plug well?
Interesting that 4 and 6 from under the cable tray seem in best nic.
And is that... Gravel? Crikey, forget silicon grease, you need bathroom mastic to seal them buggers in.
I think we need to be told about the newent oof rally...
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Lol, I cna see a bit of insulator missing but, nothing else!
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Lol, I cna see a bit of insulator missing but, nothing else!
Would that damage the boar?
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Lol, I cna see a bit of insulator missing but, nothing else!
Would that damage the boar?
Unlikely, generaly small enough to go straight out the exhaust valve.
Of course, it could have been damaged before fitting which is probably the most likely scenario as they rarely fail in that way (these days) when installed
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Well Done Mike a job well done there mate :y
Also love the idea of the Dyson to suck out the crud where would you get such an idea? ::)
I just wouldn't have been brave enough to use the Dyson. :-? I'd be wearing certain parts of my anatomy around my neck if I did! ;D ;D
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Well Done Mike a job well done there mate :y
Also love the idea of the Dyson to suck out the crud where would you get such an idea? ::)
I just wouldn't have been brave enough to use the Dyson. :-? I'd be wearing certain parts of my anatomy around my neck if I did! ;D ;D
No, as its likely to fall apart half way through the job!
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No, as its likely to fall apart half way through the job!
;D ;D You're a cynical bu66er Mark! ;D ;D
I'd have to agree though re the first upright Dyson we had, multi-coloured etc but not verywell put together. The ball version we have now does seem to be better ...... so it should though - they're bl00dy expensive for a 'Hoover'!
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No, as its likely to fall apart half way through the job!
;D ;D You're a cynical bu66er Mark! ;D ;D
I'd have to agree though re the first upright Dyson we had, multi-coloured etc but not verywell put together. The ball version we have now does seem to be better ...... so it should though - they're bl00dy expensive for a 'Hoover'!
Exactly, way overpriced and dont perfrom as well as the competition
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Exactly, way overpriced and dont perfrom as well as the competition
But ..... SWMBO is happy ..... so I'm happy! ;) ;) ;) ;) :y