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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: big-o-bob on 23 September 2008, 22:09:22
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Hi
I don't have much confidence when cornering in my 2.5 V6 omega.
With the other steering problems aside (explained in my other thread), the traction seems very poor, particularly in the wet.
I drive sensibly, most of the time, but it does'nt seem to take much to lose grip, so I tend to drive embarissingly slow round bends.
Could it be cheap tyre's, perhaps?. The tyre's have plenty of tread on them, but are by no means expensive one's.
It is the first rear wheel drive car I have had, so it may be a normal charicteristic.
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Hi ya.
Does it under-steer i.e. go straight on when you turn or over steer i.e. throw the back out ?
also have you checked your tyre pressure's as they can make a world of difference when cornering.
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1. Check tyre pressures
2. Get a full Geometry set up done , preferably by WIM
My miggy would slide from the back on roundabouts in damp or wet conditions. It felt like it was skidding over a diesel patch all the time. Had a full geo done, now it grips like glue wet or dry.
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It would throw the back out. The main problem is traction on the back end I would say.
Tyre pressures are 30 psi
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Sorry to sound dense, but what is WIM?.
Is a full geometry set up expensive?.
Thanks for the replies
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My first miggy was the same .... any dampness and the back end was away ...... turned out one of the tyres was on the wrong way ( i didnt think it was possible to fit it the wrong way ).... it was directional and some idiot had fitted it so when the car was going forward the tyre was effectively going in reverse .... the arrow showing the direction was facing backwards :-/..... may be worth a check to see if they are on the right way :y
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Sorry to sound dense, but what is WIM?.
Is a full geometry set up expensive?.
Thanks for the replies
WIM=Wheels in Motion , they are in Chesham. Bit of a trek for you but they are the acknowledged experts at setting up Omegas. Very highly respected.
Full Geo isnt just tracking or wheel alignment (which is what you get at quick fit). WIM have this amazing machine that measures everything then its all adjusted to perfection. Its a heck of a thing to see in action. I think its about £75 for a full set up (or close to that).
Do you have any unusual tyre wear ? I had both inners on the fronts wear out in 5k miles (which indicates how bad they were set up) . It doesnt always show as tyre wear though, my rears were fine, normal wear but when checked were about a mile away from the correct settings.
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Sorry to sound dense, but what is WIM?.
Is a full geometry set up expensive?.
Thanks for the replies
WIM=Wheels in Motion , they are in Chesham. Bit of a trek for you but they are the acknowledged experts at setting up Omegas. Very highly respected.
Full Geo isnt just tracking or wheel alignment (which is what you get at quick fit). WIM have this amazing machine that measures everything then its all adjusted to perfection. Its a heck of a thing to see in action. I think its about £75 for a full set up (or close to that).
Do you have any unusual tyre wear ? I had both inners on the fronts wear out in 5k miles (which indicates how bad they were set up) . It doesnt always show as tyre wear though, my rears were fine, normal wear but when checked were about a mile away from the correct settings.
Mine was very tail happy, even in the dry, until yesterday when Tony at WIM worked his magic :y :y :y
It's totally transformed the car, although I did still kick out the back end tonight on wet/greasy roads ::) ::) But TBH I was playing :o :o
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I did have some inner wear on the fronts, but I had the bushes done and then tracked. I was told this is a common issue with these.
Thanks for the info. 75 quid sounds reasonable, for safety's sake more than anything.
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30 psi is a minimum. Raise rear to 2.3 bar (sorry cant remember what that is in PSI)
Raise front to 2.1 bar
I agree that you should get a full geometry check and also check the rear springs for breakage (just because they look alright doesnt mean they are alright)
miggs when set correctly stick like sh1te to a blancket when set right around the twisty stuff :D
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Thanks, will have a look at the tyre pressures. I had both rear coil springs changed a few months ago.
The car does seem to sit low though. If I go over a road hump the exhaust scrapes or the tow bar hits the deck. Some times if reversing up to a high kurb or slope, the towbar bracket hits it. I wonder if there could be some kind of suspension issue.
Does any one else have this problem?
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I must say that tyres do matter in my opinion. I have Toyos fitted to my car and feel confident in dry and wet that the back end is not going to go anywhere. :y
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As an interesting read on tyre pressures go here (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1222154794) and have a read!
As said many times before on the forum (which to be fair you probably haven't seen because the threads disappear so quickly!)... Tracking is a waste of money on Omega's... You need a full geometry set up done. If the fronts are wearing on the inner edges then the suspension isn't correct, therefore you aren't getting the benefit of all the rubber on the road :y :y :y
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Double check tyres, esp direction, and wear over tyre, which if present could indicate geometry problems.
Poor tyres could also cause similar, obviously, as could poor suspension, buckled wheels, poor balancing etc...
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hmm wonder if it has airshocks on the rear and they aint working?
would explain the low rear end and handling issues??
just a thought :y
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hmm wonder if it has airshocks on the rear and they aint working?
would explain the low rear end and handling issues??
just a thought :y
Would air shocks be fitted as standard to a 97 2.5 cdx?, as the car has been in the family from new, and I know they've never been changed.
Thanks, i'll check it out.