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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: lee4206 on 12 September 2008, 22:50:15
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I need to replace mine and i remember reading a while back (cant find with search) that there are two different types normal and heavy duty.
Does anyone have a part no for the heavy duty ones please as my local stealer only lists one and its probably not the ones i want.
TIA
lee
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dont know the numbers lee but i have always ment to ask about rear bushes, considering how fragile the front bushes are, it seems logical to me to check the rears as well, is there any way of checking these and what are the symptoms? Cheers.
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If you're talking about the huge rear sub-frame bush nearest the front of the car Vx only do the original part. No one really seems to list a heavy duty part in the UK but apparently some other parts will fit.
To check them jack the rear of the car and put an axle stand under the sub-frame (not only to support it but also to hold it in place). Undo the big nut (where I usually jack the car) and then the 3 others holding the plate on.
Now you can clearly see the bush and inspect it for cracking/tears etc.
It's a big soft bush with big air gaps and should have some play.
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by "some play" i presume you mean movement controled by the rubber of the bush itself. Not free play caused by say, an ovalised hole for instantance?
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dont know the numbers lee but i have always ment to ask about rear bushes, considering how fragile the front bushes are, it seems logical to me to check the rears as well, is there any way of checking these and what are the symptoms? Cheers.
Dont know what the symtoms normaly are but mine skips/jumps the backend out when going around corners with the occasional knock and theres a lot of movement in them. As for checking im lucky enough to have the new mot ramp with pneumatic play detectors and it shakes the car quite a bit so you can see the movement easily. But tbh just looking at them was enough to make me think they were gone as you could see a clean area where the bush touches the chassis and this clean bit was about 12-15mm bigger than the bush so you could tell they were soft/split.
lee
Oh and yes i am talking about the big bush at the front of the rear subframe.
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dont know the numbers lee but i have always ment to ask about rear bushes, considering how fragile the front bushes are, it seems logical to me to check the rears as well, is there any way of checking these and what are the symptoms? Cheers.
Dont know what the symtoms normaly are but mine skips/jumps the backend out when going around corners with the occasional knock and theres a lot of movement in them. As for checking im lucky enough to have the new mot ramp with pneumatic play detectors and it shakes the car quite a bit so you can see the movement easily. But tbh just looking at them was enough to make me think they were gone as you could see a clean area where the bush touches the chassis and this clean bit was about 12-15mm bigger than the bush so you could tell they were soft/split.
lee
Oh and yes i am talking about the big bush at the front of the rear subframe.
Would you mind keeping us informed how you get on? I am interested in anything that will tighten up the basic handling. I dont want to wang round corners like lewis, just keeping the thing in a straight line would be a start. I know about the usual front end issues but the back dont seem to get the same attention, maybe for good reason, maybe not. No harm in looking.
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if it helps, Omega bushes have void holes in them and are rather soft,
GSI carlton and senator bushes are solid and rather stiffer :ywhich tighten up the rear end nicely :y
however stealers will now, if you ask for a senator bush sell you an Omega bush as they are a direct replacement :-X however you can
buy poly bushes for a carlton which fit the omega as i have done to mine!!!
hope that helps?? :y
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Thanks omegatoy i shall start searching then. Would you recomend any year or engine size carlton or are they all the same. Or can i be really cheeky and ask where you got yours from and a part no if you have it.
Thanks again
Lee
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Thanks omegatoy i shall start searching then. Would you recomend any year or engine size carlton or are they all the same. Or can i be really cheeky and ask where you got yours from and a part no if you have it.
Thanks again
Lee
all senny and gsi carlton bushes the same.
can send you the full pic with all the details via email if you would like?they came from aussie but are fit and forget so its a once only fit which is better than changing the donut bushes every 2 years or so
pm me with your email addy and will send it :y
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Email recieved and replied to buddy!!! :y
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Got your email thanks just got to find a supplier now.
lee
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Meyle still do the Senator ones:
http://www.meyle.com/Home/showPicture.asp?lan=en&picname=../../Search/jpgBig/102126.jpg&partnum=0402_935<br>90_250_986&meylenum=614_040_0002
(http://www.meyle.com/Search/jpgBig/102126.jpg)
and the Omega ones:
http://www.meyle.com/Home/showPicture.asp?lan=en&picname=../../Search/jpgBig/40440570090.jpg&partnum=0402_942&meylenum=614_040_0007
(http://www.meyle.com/Search/jpgBig/40440570090.jpg)
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Big thanks to marks dtm. :y
Managed to find a uk supplier so ordered today get tomorrow.
Mark do you know if £45 for the pair is about right as if its a good price i'll get some more as people are always asking about them.
lee
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I think the genuine ones from Vx are about £35 each.
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Big thanks to marks dtm. :y
Managed to find a uk supplier so ordered today get tomorrow.
Mark do you know if £45 for the pair is about right as if its a good price i'll get some more as people are always asking about them.
lee
Yes, thats a good price as Vx are about 40 each including Vodka And Tonic
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UPDATE
Bushes now replaced easy to do (well it was on a ramp and with air tools ect) About 10-15mins per side.
Pros and cons to fitting the solid one over the standard ones
Pros Car handles much better Corners better Feels like less roll Much more feed back from the back end.
Cons More road noise and you notice the bumps and rough roads more (could be because mines loward and on 17"wheels)
Lee
Also i have found a local supplier of the heavy duty(soild bushes) at £45 for the pair so if any one wants them and cant find them send me a pm and i'll see if i can help.
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UPDATE
Bushes now replaced easy to do (well it was on a ramp and with air tools ect) About 10-15mins per side.
Pros and cons to fitting the solid one over the standard ones
Pros Car handles much better Corners better Feels like less roll Much more feed back from the back end.
Cons More road noise and you notice the bumps and rough roads more (could be because mines loward and on 17"wheels)
Lee
Also i have found a local supplier of the heavy duty(soild bushes) at £45 for the pair so if any one wants them and cant find them send me a pm and i'll see if i can help.
yep they do transmit a tad more bumpiness through but they are much better for feel when driving the car hard :y or even normal driving you can notice the difference!!
All in all tho a worthwhile upgrade would you say???
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UPDATE
Bushes now replaced easy to do (well it was on a ramp and with air tools ect) About 10-15mins per side.
Pros and cons to fitting the solid one over the standard ones
Pros Car handles much better Corners better Feels like less roll Much more feed back from the back end.
Cons More road noise and you notice the bumps and rough roads more (could be because mines loward and on 17"wheels)
Lee
Also i have found a local supplier of the heavy duty(soild bushes) at £45 for the pair so if any one wants them and cant find them send me a pm and i'll see if i can help.
yep they do transmit a tad more bumpiness through but they are much better for feel when driving the car hard :y or even normal driving you can notice the difference!!
All in all tho a worthwhile upgrade would you say???
Definately and like you say it gives so much more feeling from the rear now. I'd recomend them to everyone who drives hard.
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UPDATE
Bushes now replaced easy to do (well it was on a ramp and with air tools ect) About 10-15mins per side.
Pros and cons to fitting the solid one over the standard ones
Pros Car handles much better Corners better Feels like less roll Much more feed back from the back end.
Cons More road noise and you notice the bumps and rough roads more (could be because mines loward and on 17"wheels)
Lee
Also i have found a local supplier of the heavy duty(soild bushes) at £45 for the pair so if any one wants them and cant find them send me a pm and i'll see if i can help.
yep they do transmit a tad more bumpiness through but they are much better for feel when driving the car hard :y or even normal driving you can notice the difference!!
All in all tho a worthwhile upgrade would you say???
Definately and like you say it gives so much more feeling from the rear now. I'd recomend them to everyone who drives hard.
thats good to hear!! guess i have the best of both worlds tho got poly bushes with very small void holes to allow a bit of give for noise control and never had a problem with it!!! :y
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UPDATE
Bushes now replaced easy to do (well it was on a ramp and with air tools ect) About 10-15mins per side.
Pros and cons to fitting the solid one over the standard ones
Pros Car handles much better Corners better Feels like less roll Much more feed back from the back end.
Cons More road noise and you notice the bumps and rough roads more (could be because mines loward and on 17"wheels)
Lee
Also i have found a local supplier of the heavy duty(soild bushes) at £45 for the pair so if any one wants them and cant find them send me a pm and i'll see if i can help.
yep they do transmit a tad more bumpiness through but they are much better for feel when driving the car hard :y or even normal driving you can notice the difference!!
All in all tho a worthwhile upgrade would you say???
Definately and like you say it gives so much more feeling from the rear now. I'd recomend them to everyone who drives hard.
thats good to hear!! guess i have the best of both worlds tho got poly bushes with very small void holes to allow a bit of give for noise control and never had a problem with it!!! :y
On a recent visit to wim the car was found to have a broken rear spring, what was thought to be the first inch turned out to be the whole bottom helix. So if 2 new springs dont fix the wayward rear end, ill be looking into the bushes, or may well do anyway, but an increase in road noise will annoy me.
So, question is which of the firmer bushes is the quietest? Difficult to tell without a back to back comparison i guess? Thanks for the info though guys, very usefull. Cheers.
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UPDATE
Bushes now replaced easy to do (well it was on a ramp and with air tools ect) About 10-15mins per side.
Pros and cons to fitting the solid one over the standard ones
Pros Car handles much better Corners better Feels like less roll Much more feed back from the back end.
Cons More road noise and you notice the bumps and rough roads more (could be because mines loward and on 17"wheels)
Lee
Also i have found a local supplier of the heavy duty(soild bushes) at £45 for the pair so if any one wants them and cant find them send me a pm and i'll see if i can help.
yep they do transmit a tad more bumpiness through but they are much better for feel when driving the car hard :y or even normal driving you can notice the difference!!
All in all tho a worthwhile upgrade would you say???
Definately and like you say it gives so much more feeling from the rear now. I'd recomend them to everyone who drives hard.
thats good to hear!! guess i have the best of both worlds tho got poly bushes with very small void holes to allow a bit of give for noise control and never had a problem with it!!! :y
On a recent visit to wim the car was found to have a broken rear spring, what was thought to be the first inch turned out to be the whole bottom helix. So if 2 new springs dont fix the wayward rear end, ill be looking into the bushes, or may well do anyway, but an increase in road noise will annoy me.
So, question is which of the firmer bushes is the quietest? Difficult to tell without a back to back comparison i guess? Thanks for the info though guys, very usefull. Cheers.
as you say difficult to tell without a back to back but its certainly not to bad, after a day you dont notice it, am back in Uk in a week and your welcome to try mine no problem!! mind you its a manual diesel not a sludgepump ;D however just remembered Tunnie has driven it and TB has been whooshed around the lanes in mine when he was debating whether or not to chip his tractor!! BO BO has also been in it am pretty sure they would have noticed any wayward noises?
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I should also add that mine has lower than standard profile tyres on it its been droped 50mm and the boot is full of crap so all that may be making it seem louder. But as im the only one that goes in my car i dont mind the noise im just glad it handles better. Wishbones drop links and antirollbar bushes next and maybe if i get time the noz kit ::)that ive had sat in the box for last 4 months..
lee
Oh and chris im only in southampton so your more than welcome to have a go in mine if your ever around this way (its only a 2.0 so dont expect much)