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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: JueV6 on 23 September 2008, 20:35:32
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As some of you are aware, Myself and Swmnbo have aquired a number of miggies over the last 3 days.
Well to be honest, the tractor wasn't entirely her fault, but that's another story.
Tractor bought with "suspected HG failure"
After talking to a few people, I was warned about a cracked head, so this morning armed with spanners, sockets, off with the head.
Well after some "hmmm not done one before" but it looks easy, OFF CAME THE HEAD.
carried and sat on the undertray all gently, Gasket looks fine, ok cracked head, so lets look, and this is what myself and Fred117 found to start with.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/juedu2/106_5303.jpg)
That does not look good so back to the block and see what damage the lack of valve head has done to the Piston Crown.
OMG the look of absolute amazement fell on Freds face
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/juedu2/106_5305.jpg)
Can you spot something missing?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/juedu2/106_5306.jpg)
Now back to the title of this thread
WILL PLASTIC METAL FIX THIS?????
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/juedu2/106_5304.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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someone has pinched a piston ::)
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Am I seeing things Jue, but is that the little end that has puched its way through the piston which has ended up perched on the connecting rod??!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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looking at that and talking to jue earlier its in a millon parts in bottom of sump !! :D :D
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Story of my life. P*ssed & broke!!!!!! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
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looking at that and talking to jue earlier its in a millon parts in bottom of sump !! :D :D
Wow!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o ....and it didn't come through the engine walls...amazing! :o :o :o Never seen that before!! :o :o :o :o :o
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WOW :o :o i see what you mean now, that will keep you busy...
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Jue,
Didn't you know, thats the new engine from VX! The all new V6 5 Piston version. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Paul :y
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As some of you are aware, Myself and Swmnbo have aquired a number of miggies over the last 3 days.
Well to be honest, the tractor wasn't entirely her fault, but that's another story.
Tractor bought with "suspected HG failure"
After talking to a few people, I was warned about a cracked head, so this morning armed with spanners, sockets, off with the head.
Well after some "hmmm not done one before" but it looks easy, OFF CAME THE HEAD.
carried and sat on the undertray all gently, Gasket looks fine, ok cracked head, so lets look, and this is what myself and Fred117 found to start with.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/juedu2/106_5303.jpg)
That does not look good so back to the block and see what damage the lack of valve head has done to the Piston Crown.
OMG the look of absolute amazement fell on Freds face
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/juedu2/106_5305.jpg)
Can you spot something missing?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/juedu2/106_5306.jpg)
Now back to the title of this thread
WILL PLASTIC METAL FIX THIS?????
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/juedu2/106_5304.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yep... As long as you use silicone sealant too :D :D :D :D
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Jue,
Didn't you know, thats the new engine from VX! The all new V6 5 Piston version. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Paul :y
Surely you mean straight 5????
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Sorry, when we spoke earlier, I really didn't mean to laugh. Honest ;D
I can see what you mean about the head now, that will take the value off it.
As said earlier, when these BMW units fail mechanically, its usually either expensive or terminal. Though normally the conrod makes it all the way through the block, not just into water jacket ;D
Still, I know you have the resources and the skills to mend that (in a roundabout way) :y
If you need a hand, let me know.
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Certainly explians the low compression on No 3 ;D
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dropped valve is easy on these engines by revving high when cold!!
whoever was driving that must have been deaf!!!
llooks like a forum search by all members to find a cheap engine??? :y
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Further to all the talk about the disintergrated piston, is there much damage Jue (maybe a very silly question) to the cylinder itself, let alone con rod, crankshaft, crankshaft bearings, and head / valves / cams?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
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Only just seen the pictures .... work wouldn't let me see! Quite spectacular!
If the engine is BMW derived, would it be not easier to find a basic lump from a BMW car?
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Further to all the talk about the disintergrated piston, is there much damage Jue (maybe a very silly question) to the cylinder itself, let alone con rod, crankshaft, crankshaft bearings, and head / valves / cams?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Apart from the 2 holes? ;) ;) ;) ;) :y ;D ;D
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Further to all the talk about the disintergrated piston, is there much damage Jue (maybe a very silly question) to the cylinder itself, let alone con rod, crankshaft, crankshaft bearings, and head / valves / cams?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Apart from the 2 holes? ;) ;) ;) ;) :y ;D ;D
Yes that also!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Quelle Messy !!
Not quite what I'd describe as "Head Gasket Failure" ....
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:D :D :D :D :D :D
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I did phone the Seller on Ebay and asked for some money back,
he asked why and I told him that some parts were missing ;D ;D ;D ;D
I've met the guy and he was VERY genuine. When i told him what I had found he was as shocked as I was.
We both had a laugh over it..
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Q Will Plastic Metal Fix This??
A Doubt it :-/
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If you have no luck sourcing an engine, I know where there is a spare block ;)
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Thanks TB, Think i'll be going to extricate 1 today :y :y :y
do they sell No. 3 cylinder bores seperately? :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Thanks TB, Think i'll be going to extricate 1 today :y :y :y
do they sell No. 3 cylinder bores seperately? :D :D :D :D :D :D
I'm sure I could hacksaw one out, and you araldite it in yours ;D
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Think I would be getting a block and a valve from a certain forum mod, and making a good one out of the two by re-building the head and sorting the donor block by swapping the chains etc over.!
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getting a complete running TD mark, so just a tranplant :y :y
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getting a complete running TD mark, so just a tranplant :y :y
I would still get a valve, clean that head you have up and get it sold....
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even in the battered state it's in?
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Are the valve seats intact??
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they probably need a good grinding as the rest of the engine is f**$ed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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complete engine is now sitting in my trailer, waiting for it's transplant. gotta go pick 1 up from Leicester tomorrow and then JueV6 (The Surgeon) and Fred117 (The Anethaisis) will start the transplant,
Hopefully by Friday (other things to do also), The Tractor will have it's new heart :y :y :y
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You don't waste time fannying about do you!
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Whats the point in messing about, Get It Done, :y :y
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If you bought a car on the agreement it has a mechanical fault, I'm not sure it's appropriate to ask for some "money back" because the extent of the issue is worse than you hoped :-/
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complete engine is now sitting in my trailer, waiting for it's transplant. gotta go pick 1 up from Leicester tomorrow and then JueV6 (The Surgeon) and Fred117 (The Anethaisis) will start the transplant,
Hopefully by Friday (other things to do also), The Tractor will have it's new heart :y :y :y
that heart is strong and i already miss it :'( :'( :'( but it at least will live in a healthy body :y
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If you bought a car on the agreement it has a mechanical fault, I'm not sure it's appropriate to ask for some "money back" because the extent of the issue is worse than you hoped :-/
James I spoke to the guy and was joking with him, HE bought the car under the same understanding, until he rolled it into his £25,000 Navaro denting the bonnet and grill making it uneconomic to repair IN his OPINION.. Seeing I have just broken a STAR SILVER MV6 and still have the BONNET and GRILL, the head gasket was worth it. to be honest if i BROKE it, I'd be in profit.
The phone call was made with a grin and laughing from both ends of the call and he also was in total amazement when I sent him the pics.
NOT ALL BUYERS AND SELLER HAVE A PURELY BUSINESS DEALING.
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DEAN, your a star my friend, and if you need anything at all let me know and i'll deliver to your door.
Thanks to your good lady for the coffee and i hope we left it as clean as we could. sorry about the small oil drips.
Julian :y :y :y
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If you bought a car on the agreement it has a mechanical fault, I'm not sure it's appropriate to ask for some "money back" because the extent of the issue is worse than you hoped :-/
James I spoke to the guy and was joking with him, HE bought the car under the same understanding, until he rolled it into his £25,000 Navaro denting the bonnet and grill making it uneconomic to repair IN his OPINION.. Seeing I have just broken a STAR SILVER MV6 and still have the BONNET and GRILL, the head gasket was worth it. to be honest if i BROKE it, I'd be in profit.
The phone call was made with a grin and laughing from both ends of the call and he also was in total amazement when I sent him the pics.
NOT ALL BUYERS AND SELLER HAVE A PURELY BUSINESS DEALING.
Have you got a sticky caps-lock key? ::)
If I was the seller, I'd be more worried about the 25k car, than the Omega!
In seriousness, best wishes with the repair, I will be interested in your progress :y
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Thanks James, not so much a repair as I think it's beyond that. more so, just an engine / oil change :y :y :y
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if this is sold as a "head gasket failure" , thats a big lie.. >:(
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if this is sold as a "head gasket failure" , thats a big lie.. >:(
Many people wouldnt know the difference.
Not sure how you would without opening the engine, nothing visible from outside.
HG would seem a sensible diagnosis I reckon
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for what jue paid he got a bargain even if it didnt have a motor in it !! :y the guy bought it as headgasket failure and symtoms say yes but you can never tell till you take head off and have a looky !! :y
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I think whoever diagnosed that as a HGF had the music turned up too loud when it failed. ;D It wouldn't have let go desperately quietly. ;D
Kevin
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You are assuming car knowledge.
how many people know whether a HG makes noise when it goes?
None of my family / friends would have a clue
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Julian, you have a PM :y
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yep..hard to understand without opening..But why they dont think for later..
i you sell a car like that here in my country and you say only head gasket you are in trouble..
ps: not with the police.. ;D
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JueV6 - I'll not bin anything from my scrap engine for a while, so let me know if you want valves/lifters/cams/whatever.
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Should add that need to check any bits from my engine before you fit, seeing as it was used as a step ladder for a while, and it toppled over the other day when I rushed out of the garage loft to help my pretty neighbour who wedged her car on a brick pillar ::)
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AS the knight in an OOF t-shirt should ;D ;D
Engine/ gearbox/ all boxed up, oil and filter tomorrow, battery connected and ..............................................see what happens.
as for the dead lump. if your just gonna scrap it TB then I'll come and help de-clutter you garage. ;) ;) ;) :y
Thanks for the help and the offer :y
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AS the knight in an OOF t-shirt should ;D ;D
Engine/ gearbox/ all boxed up, oil and filter tomorrow, battery connected and ..............................................see what happens.
as for the dead lump. if your just gonna scrap it TB then I'll come and help de-clutter you garage. ;) ;) ;) :y
Thanks for the help and the offer :y
Your welcome to it, with exception of turbo (potential future project for Omegatoy and I), and injection pump....
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Your welcome to it, with exception of turbo (potential future project for Omegatoy and I), and injection pump....
Twin Turbo Tractor? 8-)
Kevin
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JESTER has got a dead [seized] tractor lump, the pots might be o,k though [plus im after the t/c ;)], dont know how far away he is from you as my geography is rubbish :(
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JESTER has got a dead [seized] tractor lump, the pots might be o,k though [plus im after the t/c ;)], dont know how far away he is from you as my geography is rubbish :(
That will have severe engine issues, given that its hydraulic'd
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Thats nothing just solder it ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
I've got a cracking soldering iron here mate :y :y ;D ;D ;D
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i reckon you could use kit-e-kat tins as pistons & rubber bands as the rings ;)[ i really must stop watching blue peter!], mind you itll make it purrr ;D [cheap xmas cracker joke!] :y
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Once i've taken the sump off the holy bmw i'm gonna find all the bits and use super glue, just like my nan used to do with broken china :D :D