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Title: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 03 October 2008, 12:03:44
Just a quick hello to you all
I have a 2.5 v6 24v Auto which is giving me alot of greif at the min could do with some advise if anyone could help.
The car will not start its turning over but not firing up sometimes the engine managment light will flash but not all the time and the radio went into safe mode ???? i have been told that Omega's dont like running low on fuel and that could be one reason the other i was told is that it could be my key fob ??? any idea's guys many thanks

John
Nottingham
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: rickyboy on 03 October 2008, 12:33:39
Read paperclip test in the maintenance section.  Post up the results here.  Sounds like crank sensor.  Please tell me it's got fuel in it now???
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: MutantCav on 03 October 2008, 12:38:17
If your EML light is flashing it means its not received the signal from the keyfob...has the battery in the fob gone flat perhaps?? Means the immobiliser isnt disarmed...

If battery in fob is ok maybe re synch the fob...namely put key in ignition and into ignition position 2 and press fob button (when its done the central locking locks/unlocks or something I believe)...then lock/unlock with the fob and see if its sorted :)
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: rickyboy on 03 October 2008, 12:41:14
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If your EML light is flashing it means its not received the signal from the keyfob...has the battery in the fob gone flat perhaps?? Means the immobiliser isnt disarmed...

If battery in fob is ok maybe re synch the fob...namely put key in ignition and into ignition position 2 and press fob button (when its done the central locking locks/unlocks or something I believe)...then lock/unlock with the fob and see if its sorted :)

Right enough if the EML is flashing rather than lit then immobiliser.  
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: TheBoy on 03 October 2008, 12:54:17
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If your EML light is flashing it means its not received the signal from the keyfob...has the battery in the fob gone flat perhaps?? Means the immobiliser isnt disarmed...

If battery in fob is ok maybe re synch the fob...namely put key in ignition and into ignition position 2 and press fob button (when its done the central locking locks/unlocks or something I believe)...then lock/unlock with the fob and see if its sorted :)
Transponder is not powered by battery, so flat (or no) battery in remote won't affect.
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: MutantCav on 03 October 2008, 13:18:53
Oh yeah sorry I'm talking out my backside...battery is for central locking lol but reset procedure may well re synch the key fob right? Thus being able to turn off immobiliser...
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: The Cambelt Kid on 04 October 2008, 10:24:26
I had same prob last week.  Would start if left overnight and from very hot, but never from luke warm.  I replaced the fuel pump as i thought it was fuel pressure but after wasting my money i soon realised that the crank sensor was at fault.  If only i had listened to user on this forum i would be a fuel pump lighter and £47 better off.  :'(

Now the car starts on key every time  :D
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: feeutfo on 04 October 2008, 11:50:21
has the battery been disconnected to cause the radio issue? Ignoring that i would say crank sensor but all issues together are a bit confusing, as i dont think crank sensor would cause the radio safe mode, which would imply the electrical supply has been cut for whatever reason. Has anybody been working on the car?
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: feeutfo on 04 October 2008, 11:53:10
ps defo do paperclip test.
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: markey mark on 04 October 2008, 12:39:12
and charge your battery !  :y
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 08:02:46
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ps defo do paperclip test.

Right guys did the paper clip test and these are the codes that came up
19
135
144

If anybody has any advice for me regarding these codes or they now how to reset the alarm system i would be very thankfull.
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: MutantCav on 06 October 2008, 08:09:28
Ok ignore the rest...19 crank sensor....

Change it and the rest of the codes will most likely go away too and your car will start...but use a genuine Vaux one...
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: feeutfo on 06 October 2008, 08:41:34
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Ok ignore the rest...19 crank sensor....

Change it and the rest of the codes will most likely go away too and your car will start...but use a genuine Vaux one...
Yep, its located by oil filter, trace the cable up to find the plug? Maybe others can advise the best technique for this, ive had one go but did not change it myself...
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 09:15:38
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Ok ignore the rest...19 crank sensor....

Change it and the rest of the codes will most likely go away too and your car will start...but use a genuine Vaux one...

Thanks for that and any ideas how much this will cost and could i do this work myself never done one of these before
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Tafty on 06 October 2008, 09:26:23
Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the code 19 come up every time anyway?? Due to car not starting??

The code 144 is probably more pertinent being "Immobiliser No Signal " ??  

I would go back to basics, checking connections to battery, try starting the engine with your spare key etc etc

Just my thoughts
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 October 2008, 09:31:30
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Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the code 19 come up every time anyway?? Due to car not starting??

The code 144 is probably more pertinent being "Immobiliser No Signal " ??  

I would go back to basics, checking connections to battery, try strating with your spare key etc etc

Just my thoughts

Nope, 31 is the standard code for a non running engine, 19 is a crank sensor bad signal. Immobiliser codes are often flagged under crank sensor faults.

The crank sensors are easy to fit, where abouts in Nottingham are you?
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 09:32:55
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Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the code 19 come up every time anyway?? Due to car not starting??

The code 144 is probably more pertinent being "Immobiliser No Signal " ??  

I would go back to basics, checking connections to battery, try strating with your spare key etc etc

Just my thoughts
Tried and tested all connections fully charged batt and tried both keys still comming up with same 3 codes

I would have thought the same regarding code 19 as the engine not running. It wants to start its killing me
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Tafty on 06 October 2008, 09:33:03
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Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the code 19 come up every time anyway?? Due to car not starting??

The code 144 is probably more pertinent being "Immobiliser No Signal " ??  

I would go back to basics, checking connections to battery, try strating with your spare key etc etc

Just my thoughts

Nope, 31 is the standard code for a non running engine, 19 is a crank sensor bad signal. Immobiliser codes are often flagged under crank sensor faults.

The crank sensors are easy to fit, where abouts in Nottingham are you?

I stand corrected  :D
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 09:36:32
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Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the code 19 come up every time anyway?? Due to car not starting??

The code 144 is probably more pertinent being "Immobiliser No Signal " ??  

I would go back to basics, checking connections to battery, try strating with your spare key etc etc

Just my thoughts

Nope, 31 is the standard code for a non running engine, 19 is a crank sensor bad signal. Immobiliser codes are often flagged under crank sensor faults.

The crank sensors are easy to fit, where abouts in Nottingham are you?

Im in long Eaton
4 Chesterfield Avenue
Just off Station Road
NG10 2DT

I really wanted to get it running today if possible but at the min im at work in leicster and will not be back home till about 4pm

Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 October 2008, 09:37:28
Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 09:40:56
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....
Thanks for that will give them a buzz its 2 mins away from my house
Im praying its that
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 October 2008, 09:57:32
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....
Thanks for that will give them a buzz its 2 mins away from my house
Im praying its that


The codes say it is, past experience says it is, the symptoms say it is.....
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 10:11:13
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....
Thanks for that will give them a buzz its 2 mins away from my house
Im praying its that


The codes say it is, past experience says it is, the symptoms say it is.....

I have full Faith in you mate i will be a happy man
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 10:51:02
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....

It's a special order they can get one in for tomorrow he asked if it was a 3 pin connection? Any ideas
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 October 2008, 11:36:15
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....

It's a special order they can get one in for tomorrow he asked if it was a 3 pin connection? Any ideas

It is a 3 pin connection (they all are!)

What age is your car?
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 12:03:54
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....

It's a special order they can get one in for tomorrow he asked if it was a 3 pin connection? Any ideas

It is a 3 pin connection (they all are!)

What age is your car?

Its on a T plate 1999
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 12:23:38
Would you beleive it tried to order the part and they said i cannot order it over the phone  >:(
Was willing to pay in full
Now im angry  >:( :-[
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 October 2008, 12:28:14
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....

It's a special order they can get one in for tomorrow he asked if it was a 3 pin connection? Any ideas

It is a 3 pin connection (they all are!)

What age is your car?

Its on a T plate 1999

That should be part code 90492061

Get one here instead with next day delivery  :y

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Crankshaft-Sensor-90492061-V6-2-5-Omega_W0QQitemZ190256203607QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190256203607&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 13:48:33
Thank you very much for the help
The part should be with me tomorrow all being well then i just have to fit it. Looked at the pic and it doesnt seem to bad going to have a look in engine bay when i get back to see if i can locate the part.
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2008, 13:59:19
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Oh yeah sorry I'm talking out my backside...battery is for central locking lol but reset procedure may well re synch the key fob right? Thus being able to turn off immobiliser...
For future ref, no. transponder isn't rolling code, so no resync necessary or possible.
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 14:42:22
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....

It's a special order they can get one in for tomorrow he asked if it was a 3 pin connection? Any ideas

It is a 3 pin connection (they all are!)

What age is your car?

Its on a T plate 1999

That should be part code 90492061

Get one here instead with next day delivery  :y

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Crankshaft-Sensor-90492061-V6-2-5-Omega_W0QQitemZ190256203607QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190256203607&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Great news the part will be with me by 5.30pm tonight so i have my fingers crossed
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 October 2008, 14:48:42
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Give sutton auto factors (acton road Long Eaton) a call and see if they have a sensor in stock and collect on your way home....

It's a special order they can get one in for tomorrow he asked if it was a 3 pin connection? Any ideas

It is a 3 pin connection (they all are!)

What age is your car?

Its on a T plate 1999

That should be part code 90492061

Get one here instead with next day delivery  :y

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Crankshaft-Sensor-90492061-V6-2-5-Omega_W0QQitemZ190256203607QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190256203607&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Great news the part will be with me by 5.30pm tonight so i have my fingers crossed

Really....how are they doing that!
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 06 October 2008, 14:52:16
My Partner bless her kicked up a stink at sutton Auto Factors and the rest is history. God i hope this is the problem but with what has been said cannot see how it can be anything else  
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 October 2008, 14:54:03
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My Partner bless her kicked up a stink at sutton Auto Factors and the rest is history. God i hope this is the problem but with what has been said cannot see how it can be anything else  


I hope they are sending the right one....as there are two connector varients (hence why I posted the Vx part number!)
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 07 October 2008, 08:35:50
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My Partner bless her kicked up a stink at sutton Auto Factors and the rest is history. God i hope this is the problem but with what has been said cannot see how it can be anything else  


I hope they are sending the right one....as there are two connector varients (hence why I posted the Vx part number!)

Happy days everyone first turn of the key last night at 20.30hrs it fired up many thanks for everyones help  :y :D ;D
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 October 2008, 08:37:04
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My Partner bless her kicked up a stink at sutton Auto Factors and the rest is history. God i hope this is the problem but with what has been said cannot see how it can be anything else  


I hope they are sending the right one....as there are two connector varients (hence why I posted the Vx part number!)

Happy days everyone first turn of the key last night at 20.30hrs it fired up many thanks for everyones help  :y :D ;D

Excellent, a nice easy (and not to expensive) fix then  :y
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 07 October 2008, 08:41:32
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My Partner bless her kicked up a stink at sutton Auto Factors and the rest is history. God i hope this is the problem but with what has been said cannot see how it can be anything else  


I hope they are sending the right one....as there are two connector varients (hence why I posted the Vx part number!)

Happy days everyone first turn of the key last night at 20.30hrs it fired up many thanks for everyones help  :y :D ;D

Excellent, a nice easy (and not to expensive) fix then  :y
Only took me around 20 mins to fit and cost me £45.00 Inc Vat
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: markey mark on 07 October 2008, 08:48:37
top job done cheap fella  :y
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Johnny5 on 07 October 2008, 09:10:36
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top job done cheap fella  :y

Thanks mate it could have been alot worse thankfully it wasnt and if it wasnt for the help i received it could have cost me alot more than £45 :y
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Entwood on 07 October 2008, 09:11:24
Nice one .. another miggy back in full fettle ..  :)
Title: Re: Engine will not start
Post by: Miggy24 on 07 October 2008, 09:16:11
Good one my friend  :y