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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: gwa on 06 October 2008, 19:39:48
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This morning (05:15) when I went outside to the car, all windows had dew on the outside which I cleaned off. I got in and the inside was misted up so I started up and put the blowers on full blast with front & rear heated windows. After a few minutes they cleared nicely ...... but after a short while they misted up again and for the next 50 miles I had to have the blowers on to keep the windscreen clear. I know I've got to have the A/C re-gassed, but I checked for leaks and have found none. The carpets are dry cos I cleaned out the tubes (whatever they are called that blocked with leaves). Has anyone got any ideas? what settings should i set the heater controls to? appreciate any help. TIA
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Is pollen filter dry?
Also check exhaust vents - in boot, right hand side, little cubby hole. People fill it with crap which prevents airflow.
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I am not sure if you have aircon or climate , I have mine on Auto setting set at approx 22 and have no problems .
If you have the air con on and turn it off when the windows clear in my experience the windowsw very quicly mist up again :y
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Is pollen filter dry?
Also check exhaust vents - in boot, right hand side, little cubby hole. People fill it with crap which prevents airflow.
Erm... pollen filter? what & where? :-[.
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In my experience, both of cars and coaches it happens more when windows need a clean ( car i bought saturday does the same and i must clean them but they need to be dry and warm!)
Just a thought!!
Mick
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It's under the bonnet nearside rear lift the sealing rubber , there is a flap in the scuttle lift it , the filter is under there cost to replace if dirty is around £5.
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It's under the bonnet nearside rear lift the sealing rubber , there is a flap in the scuttle lift it , the filter is under there cost to replace if dirty is around £5.
Great, thanks. Off to check now.
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Well its not easy by torchlight, but it felt dry. When I got back indoors my hand was really black so I presume its dirty. For the sake of a fiver or so I'll just change it, the cars probably never had a replacement.
Would it hurt to whip it out tonight and replace tomorrow PM when I get home from work?
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I am not sure if you have aircon or climate , I have mine on Auto setting set at approx 22 and have no problems .
If you have the air con on and turn it off when the windows clear in my experience the windowsw very quicly mist up again :y
What exactly does the auto button do, all it seams to do turn the fans up to full :S so i keep mine of the "face" air vents setting.
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Well its not easy by torchlight, but it felt dry. When I got back indoors my hand was really black so I presume its dirty. For the sake of a fiver or so I'll just change it, the cars probably never had a replacement.
Would it hurt to whip it out tonight and replace tomorrow PM when I get home from work?[/quote]
been in there this long...another day wont hurt ;D plus it saves all the crap getting in
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No it wont hurt it's held in with two clips but BE CAREFUL they are fragile, also while your there have a look in the bottom of the space to make sure the drain in the bottom isn't blocked up with leaves and other crud.
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I am not sure if you have aircon or climate , I have mine on Auto setting set at approx 22 and have no problems .
If you have the air con on and turn it off when the windows clear in my experience the windowsw very quicly mist up again :y
What exactly does the auto button do, all it seams to do turn the fans up to full :S so i keep mine of the "face" air vents setting.
The manual says:
Air recirculation system
The a ir recirculation system prevents the
entry of outside air and the air in the
passenger compartment is circulated.
Automatic a ir circulation mode 3
Press button t briefly twice within one
second. t appears on the d isplay .
Air circulation is automatically activated as
soon as the system detects polluting gases
from the outside air. The circuit is
controlled by an air quality sensor.
To deactivate electronic a ir circulation:
press button t again.
At outside temperatures below 5 °C the
duration of the air circulation mode is
limited. This prevents the windows from
misting up. Switch to manual air circulation
as necessary.
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Well its not easy by torchlight, but it felt dry. When I got back indoors my hand was really black so I presume its dirty. For the sake of a fiver or so I'll just change it, the cars probably never had a replacement.
Would it hurt to whip it out tonight and replace tomorrow PM when I get home from work?
In your dreams!
Around £11 + VAT tradeclub. Being facelift, it must be the more expensive carbon type, not the cheaper ones for prefacelift.
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No it wont hurt it's held in with two clips but BE CAREFUL they are fragile, also while your there have a look in the bottom of the space to make sure the drain in the bottom isn't blocked up with leaves and other crud.
Ah, well that was a few weeks until TheBoy cleaned it out and I hosed it. Thanks for the 'fragile' tip. :y
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Well its not easy by torchlight, but it felt dry. When I got back indoors my hand was really black so I presume its dirty. For the sake of a fiver or so I'll just change it, the cars probably never had a replacement.
Would it hurt to whip it out tonight and replace tomorrow PM when I get home from work?
In your dreams!
£5 or £11 its cheaper than a prang cos I can't see ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks guys
Around £11 + VAT tradeclub. Being facelift, it must be the more expensive carbon type, not the cheaper ones for prefacelift.
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Well its not easy by torchlight, but it felt dry. When I got back indoors my hand was really black so I presume its dirty. For the sake of a fiver or so I'll just change it, the cars probably never had a replacement.
Would it hurt to whip it out tonight and replace tomorrow PM when I get home from work?
In your dreams!
Around £11 + VAT tradeclub. Being facelift, it must be the more expensive carbon type, not the cheaper ones for prefacelift.
Forgot to say; I've got a TradeClub Card now .... Whoa, no stopping me now. So where do I get a Workshop manual, Haynes don't do one (or do they).
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I must admit, and it seems a common problem on these cars, but i have never known a car to mist up like these do, when its raining !!! - and the A/C system seems a bit 'vague' - i think it would be VERY helpful if one of you highly knowledgeable people could explain how to stop misting up and how to PROPERLY operate the A/C system for the de-misting use of - very much appreciated :y :y :y
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Well its not easy by torchlight, but it felt dry. When I got back indoors my hand was really black so I presume its dirty. For the sake of a fiver or so I'll just change it, the cars probably never had a replacement.
Would it hurt to whip it out tonight and replace tomorrow PM when I get home from work?
In your dreams!
Around £11 + VAT tradeclub. Being facelift, it must be the more expensive carbon type, not the cheaper ones for prefacelift.
Forgot to say; I've got a TradeClub Card now .... Whoa, no stopping me now. So where do I get a Workshop manual, Haynes don't do one (or do they).
have here manual :y will take with me on sunday
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I must admit, and it seems a common problem on these cars, but i have never known a car to mist up like these do, when its raining !!! - and the A/C system seems a bit 'vague' - i think it would be VERY helpful if one of you highly knowledgeable people could explain how to stop misting up and how to PROPERLY operate the A/C system for the de-misting use of - very much appreciated :y :y :y
I downloaded the User Guide from the Vx website. ;D Just need to read it :o
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wots the website address pls?
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I must admit, and it seems a common problem on these cars, but i have never known a car to mist up like these do, when its raining !!! - and the A/C system seems a bit 'vague' - i think it would be VERY helpful if one of you highly knowledgeable people could explain how to stop misting up and how to PROPERLY operate the A/C system for the de-misting use of - very much appreciated :y :y :y
All cars mist up inside m8 due to all the heat etc blowing on the glass after a year or two tried all sorts remedies ,meths,white vinegar, several window/glass cleaners non work too well when windscreen gets older well thats what i have found out over the years, but cleaning em often does help :y
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yea i appreciate that willyboy...i just find my omega the worst car i have had , for misting up :o - still i will persevere.....and will be giving my windows a GOOD clean tomorrow :y :y :y
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iirc you can get some antifog stuff from halfords i know motor bikers use it on there visors !! :y
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wots the website address pls?
Page 126 :y
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vx/static/content/pdf/ownersManuals/Cars/Omega/OmegaOct2002.pdf
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yea i appreciate that willyboy...i just find my omega the worst car i have had , for misting up :o - still i will persevere.....and will be giving my windows a GOOD clean tomorrow :y :y :y
Mine is fine on auto - mists up when on eco - but if you pop it back on auto it demists very quickly.
Have tried all sorts of anti fog with not a lot of joy
Just my 2p worth
Thanks
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yea i appreciate that willyboy...i just find my omega the worst car i have had , for misting up :o - still i will persevere.....and will be giving my windows a GOOD clean tomorrow :y :y :y
Mine is fine on auto - mists up when on eco - but if you pop it back on auto it demists very quickly.
Have tried all sorts of anti fog with not a lot of joy
Just my 2p worth
Thanks
It's because the air is not dehumidified on ECO :y
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I must admit, and it seems a common problem on these cars, but i have never known a car to mist up like these do, when its raining !!! - and the A/C system seems a bit 'vague' - i think it would be VERY helpful if one of you highly knowledgeable people could explain how to stop misting up and how to PROPERLY operate the A/C system for the de-misting use of - very much appreciated :y :y :y
well i can tell you how i use it... leave it on auto and adjust the temp accordingly to the temp you want to acheave, when cold starting i dont turn it on to HI, leave on desired temp and cc will manage the temp as heat or whatever you select becomes available, HI is flat out fans reguardless of heat available so with cold engine all you get is cold hair drier. Same with LO but the with flat out ac.so that can take a phew minutes to get cold giving luke warm air for a minut or2. therfor as i said select the temp you want to aceave and let the cc do the rest.
think of it as a heatrer and air con, the climate controle just blends the 2 to give the precise temp you feel comfy in. the fans will blow harder and softer depending on the urgency/temp differential you set. so if you get in the car on a hot day and you set 21 temp the fans will blow hard to cool the cabin to acheave that temp asap and will gradually carm the draft as it gets near the desired temp.
you may feal the fans are too strong on average and there is a soft ware update via tech 2(see THE BOY or Mark DTM/Hotel 21 north of boarder) to calm them down
ECO turns of the ac pump and therefore the de humidifier(?) tosave a tea spoon of fuel but the car will mist up sharpish usually.
the omega is very good with cabin climate generally so any excessive misting on auto with eco off indicates a problem tbh... usually exccesive damp somewhere or the ac is broke
Thats about all i know about that, i am sure others will advise further...
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Do you find much of a diffeernce in fuel economy with eco on or off? I think i see about 10% difference (better in eco obviously)
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thank you - thats brilliant :y :y
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Do you find much of a diffeernce in fuel economy with eco on or off? I think i see about 10% difference (better in eco obviously)
would be suprised if its that much tbh, but the downside is misting dirty windows and buggering about opening windows to clear the screen, not worth the agro...imho :-/
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I must admit, and it seems a common problem on these cars, but i have never known a car to mist up like these do, when its raining !!! - and the A/C system seems a bit 'vague' - i think it would be VERY helpful if one of you highly knowledgeable people could explain how to stop misting up and how to PROPERLY operate the A/C system for the de-misting use of - very much appreciated :y :y :y
thank you - i am getting A/C serviced and checked at weekend - i have no other probs; scuttles clear and dry, pollen filter bone dry, TOTALLY dry in cabin - anyway...thanks for all your tips and help :y :y :y :y
well i can tell you how i use it... leave it on auto and adjust the temp accordingly to the temp you want to acheave, when cold starting i dont turn it on to HI, leave on desired temp and cc will manage the temp as heat or whatever you select becomes available, HI is flat out fans reguardless of heat available so with cold engine all you get is cold hair drier. Same with LO but the with flat out ac.so that can take a phew minutes to get cold giving luke warm air for a minut or2. therfor as i said select the temp you want to aceave and let the cc do the rest.
think of it as a heatrer and air con, the climate controle just blends the 2 to give the precise temp you feel comfy in. the fans will blow harder and softer depending on the urgency/temp differential you set. so if you get in the car on a hot day and you set 21 temp the fans will blow hard to cool the cabin to acheave that temp asap and will gradually carm the draft as it gets near the desired temp.
you may feal the fans are too strong on average and there is a soft ware update via tech 2(see THE BOY or Mark DTM/Hotel 21 north of boarder) to calm them down
ECO turns of the ac pump and therefore the de humidifier(?) tosave a tea spoon of fuel but the car will mist up sharpish usually.
the omega is very good with cabin climate generally so any excessive misting on auto with eco off indicates a problem tbh... usually exccesive damp somewhere or the ac is broke
Thats about all i know about that, i am sure others will advise further...
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ac pump is bottom right pulley on aux belt, lift bonnet and see if the 4 knobs on the end are turning when the ac is on and engine running, this means pump clutch is engaged and should be giving cold air. make sure eco is not selected.
If not working please dont use quick fitup or halfords. use a specialist who knows what he is doing. Ie check for leaks evac and regas to 950(iirc) insuring oil in the system.
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wots the website address pls?
Err, dunno. I found it on this forum, if I find I'll let you know. Sorry.
Edit
I've got a pdf copy. PM me your email and I'll send it :y
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I must admit, and it seems a common problem on these cars, but i have never known a car to mist up like these do, when its raining !!! - and the A/C system seems a bit 'vague' - i think it would be VERY helpful if one of you highly knowledgeable people could explain how to stop misting up and how to PROPERLY operate the A/C system for the de-misting use of - very much appreciated :y :y :y
All cars mist up inside m8 due to all the heat etc blowing on the glass after a year or two tried all sorts remedies ,meths,white vinegar, several window/glass cleaners non work too well when windscreen gets older well thats what i have found out over the years, but cleaning em often does help :y
Ah. Thats good to know, trouble is I had a new screen fitted 2 weeks ago......
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Misting up
With clean pollen filter, working scuttle drain and clear vents they do not mist up.
Just leave CC on auto
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Misting up
With clean pollen filter, working scuttle drain and clear vents they do not mist up.
Just leave CC on auto
Great, thanks very much. Weather conditions were different this morning so problem wasn't as bad. I'll change the filter later today.
Thanks to all, this has been an interesting thread :y
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Misting up
With clean pollen filter, working scuttle drain and clear vents they do not mist up.
Just leave CC on auto
All of the above are new/clear/OK on my car, but it does take a little while for it all to clear first thing. :(
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Misting up
With clean pollen filter, working scuttle drain and clear vents they do not mist up.
Just leave CC on auto
All of the above are new/clear/OK on my car, but it does take a little while for it all to clear first thing. :(
Check the boot vent
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Misting up
With clean pollen filter, working scuttle drain and clear vents they do not mist up.
Just leave CC on auto
All of the above are new/clear/OK on my car, but it does take a little while for it all to clear first thing. :(
Check the boot vent
Yes! It's there! ;)
Relatively clear. I think lot of it is due to lack of use of the car
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Mine sometimes steams up when 4 sweaty males get in on a cold damp day like today ... but it clears within a couple of minutes with the demist selectioin, then return to auto and it remains lovely an clear :y :y :y :y
Past experience shows that CC off and/or recirculation on will cause a great deal of misting in damp/cold conditions.
HTH
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Is pollen filter dry?
Also check exhaust vents - in boot, right hand side, little cubby hole. People fill it with crap which prevents airflow.
oops!!! ::) ::)
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Is pollen filter dry?
Also check exhaust vents - in boot, right hand side, little cubby hole. People fill it with crap which prevents airflow.
oops!!! ::) ::)
Right hand side as you look in? Behind the opening with the 2 twisty knobs?
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Is pollen filter dry?
Also check exhaust vents - in boot, right hand side, little cubby hole. People fill it with crap which prevents airflow.
oops!!! ::) ::)
Okey dokey. I've changed the pollen filter and removed the 5ltr oil can from the cubby hole, like mr richierich 'Oooops'. So I'll see how things go and I'll try the advice from chrisgixer. Meanwhile the readings are,
Consumption 29.2 mpg
Trip Cons 4.4 gal
Speed 50mph
Trip Distance 131.2
So its starting to look good ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Misting up
With clean pollen filter, working scuttle drain and clear vents they do not mist up.
Just leave CC on auto
All of the above are new/clear/OK on my car, but it does take a little while for it all to clear first thing. :(
Just on auto with eco off, or with demist as well...?
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Just on auto with eco off, or with demist as well...?
In auto. I then put it to the screen via the demist button which obvioulsy brings the fan on full.
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Just on auto with eco off, or with demist as well...?
In auto. I then put it to the screen via the demist button which obvioulsy brings the fan on full.
Eco off, auto on, with demist. Clear scuttle drain, new pol filter, ac working, boot vent clear, no damp carpets...any unidentified coolant loss? If not presume lack of use as you say... Heavy breather? ;)
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....... Heavy breather? ;)
It normally works OK for me when I'm on the phone! ::) :y
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I must admit, and it seems a common problem on these cars, but i have never known a car to mist up like these do, when its raining !!! - and the A/C system seems a bit 'vague' - i think it would be VERY helpful if one of you highly knowledgeable people could explain how to stop misting up and how to PROPERLY operate the A/C system for the de-misting use of - very much appreciated :y :y :y
well i can tell you how i use it... leave it on auto and adjust the temp accordingly to the temp you want to acheave, when cold starting i dont turn it on to HI, leave on desired temp and cc will manage the temp as heat or whatever you select becomes available, HI is flat out fans reguardless of heat available so with cold engine all you get is cold hair drier. Same with LO but the with flat out ac.so that can take a phew minutes to get cold giving luke warm air for a minut or2. therfor as i said select the temp you want to aceave and let the cc do the rest.
think of it as a heatrer and air con, the climate controle just blends the 2 to give the precise temp you feel comfy in. the fans will blow harder and softer depending on the urgency/temp differential you set. so if you get in the car on a hot day and you set 21 temp the fans will blow hard to cool the cabin to acheave that temp asap and will gradually carm the draft as it gets near the desired temp.
you may feal the fans are too strong on average and there is a soft ware update via tech 2(see THE BOY or Mark DTM/Hotel 21 north of boarder) to calm them down
ECO turns of the ac pump and therefore the de humidifier(?) tosave a tea spoon of fuel but the car will mist up sharpish usually.
the omega is very good with cabin climate generally so any excessive misting on auto with eco off indicates a problem tbh... usually exccesive damp somewhere or the ac is broke
Thats about all i know about that, i am sure others will advise further...
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Excellent advice.....i'm bumping it :y
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Just on auto with eco off, or with demist as well...?
In auto. I then put it to the screen via the demist button which obvioulsy brings the fan on full.
Eco off, auto on, with demist. Clear scuttle drain, new pol filter, ac working, boot vent clear, no damp carpets...any unidentified coolant loss? If not presume lack of use as you say... Heavy breather? ;)
Sorry, I missed the last 2 words of your response. The answer: Yes, most definitely, especially before I've had my oxygen or after I've cough cough ::) ::) ::) :y
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Check that the recirculation flap is not stuck down (or the linkage damaged). I had this once. You should hear it move when you swich the recirculation off/on.