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Title: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 11:14:04
I bought a 2002 automatic omega with 26k mileage about 3 weeks ago, but i have noticed the gear changes on this car is not as smooth as my older car a 99 omega v6 with automatic gearbox. You can hear the gears changing sometimes......

 

Also when i get to a roundabout or traffic light and i stop,when i try to drive off the is simply no power and the car revs like its on neutral or parking, then power just comes back and it drives normally, this takes a second or two and even if i was carrying a passenger they would not notice.... This does not always happen...most of the time it just drives normally.

I thinks there is a problem some where, but don't know where to look, also, no dashboard lights come on to indicate a problem....

 

I am thinking of having a tech2 technician update the engine and gearbox software, can this be of any help ?

 

Any opinion will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: sophos9 on 28 August 2008, 12:08:44
Contact theboy on here, he can advise...
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 12:16:39
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Contact theboy on here, he can advise...

Thanks
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: sophos9 on 28 August 2008, 12:20:06
He has a tech2 and has upgraded more gearbox software than I've had hot dinners...!!

Most probable it will help with your problem!
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 28 August 2008, 12:22:10
The tech 2 update makes one hell of a difference to the gear changing, but it sounds to me asthough you have a problem. Have you checked the gearbox oil level (ATF)?
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 12:24:35
Gearbox  oil engine level??? I am a real newbie, how do  you do this ?
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 28 August 2008, 12:28:54
Sorry mate
Have a look at this link  :y

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152783586
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 28 August 2008, 12:34:12
If you could update your profile, we will know what car you have plus where you live.... someone who may live close maybe able to lend a hand :y
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 13:29:32
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If you could update your profile, we will know what car you have plus where you live.... someone who may live close maybe able to lend a hand :y
Thanks, Profile updated.    Drives omega 2002 2.2 cd , automatic and lives in watford,herts.
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: ians on 28 August 2008, 13:31:27
Despite the low miles I would do a complete fluid change/filter clean or replace.  
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 13:33:41
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Despite the low miles I would do a complete fluid change/filter clean or replace.  
you mean engine oil, gear box fluid, oil filter, fuel filter and pollen filter as well ? Thanks.
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: ians on 28 August 2008, 13:36:10
Well I was referring to the autobox specifically,  but obviously you should consider the other service items to if history unknown or if due.
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: bob.dent on 28 August 2008, 13:49:03
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I bought a 2002 automatic omega with 26k mileage about 3 weeks ago, but i have noticed the gear changes on this car is not as smooth as my older car a 99 omega v6 with automatic gearbox. You can hear the gears changing sometimes......

 

Also when i get to a roundabout or traffic light and i stop,when i try to drive off the is simply no power and the car revs like its on neutral or parking, then power just comes back and it drives normally, this takes a second or two and even if i was carrying a passenger they would not notice.... This does not always happen...most of the time it just drives normally.

I thinks there is a problem some where, but don't know where to look, also, no dashboard lights come on to indicate a problem....

 

I am thinking of having a tech2 technician update the engine and gearbox software, can this be of any help ?

 

Any opinion will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

When this happens, do the gear selector lights all light up? If so, it could be the selector switch playing up.
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 13:59:55
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Well I was referring to the autobox specifically,  but obviously you should consider the other service items to if history unknown or if due.

I will take it to alocal garage for them to change the gear box fluids and filter, if problem goes well and good. otherwise a software update will be next...
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 14:06:38
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I bought a 2002 automatic omega with 26k mileage about 3 weeks ago, but i have noticed the gear changes on this car is not as smooth as my older car a 99 omega v6 with automatic gearbox. You can hear the gears changing sometimes......

 

Also when i get to a roundabout or traffic light and i stop,when i try to drive off the is simply no power and the car revs like its on neutral or parking, then power just comes back and it drives normally, this takes a second or two and even if i was carrying a passenger they would not notice.... This does not always happen...most of the time it just drives normally.

I thinks there is a problem some where, but don't know where to look, also, no dashboard lights come on to indicate a problem....

 

I am thinking of having a tech2 technician update the engine and gearbox software, can this be of any help ?

 

Any opinion will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

When this happens, do the gear selector lights all light up? If so, it could be the selector switch playing up.

I have not noticed, but will kepp and eye later today as i drive home and will advice tommorow. Thanks
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 28 August 2008, 14:07:58
Be ready to have your pants pulled down mate :-[
You can get the Gearbox filter and gaskets for £35 from ABS, the oil will cost you about £20, then an hour or so of your time :y
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 14:08:37
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Well I was referring to the autobox specifically,  but obviously you should consider the other service items to if history unknown or if due.

I will take it to alocal garage for them to change the gear box fluids and filter, if problem goes well and good. otherwise a software update will be next...

I checked the service history of the car and there is no mention of gearbox fluid change, just normal oil change. I suppose it needs one as i am assuming it has never had once since jan 2002!!
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 28 August 2008, 14:10:28
I believe the gearbox is something that Vauxhall reckon is a sealed unit, not sure you can even get the filters and gaskets from Vauxhall :-[
You can virtually guarantee it hasn't ever being changed mate
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 14:10:56
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Be ready to have your pants pulled down mate :-[
You can get the Gearbox filter and gaskets for £35 from ABS, the oil will cost you about £20, then an hour or so of your time :y
So i will bel ooking at around £55 for parts and then labour charges ?
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 28 August 2008, 14:13:34
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Be ready to have your pants pulled down mate :-[
You can get the Gearbox filter and gaskets for £35 from ABS, the oil will cost you about £20, then an hour or so of your time :y
So i will bel ooking at around £55 for parts and then labour charges ?

No just the parts you need....
Shame you weren't coming to Newent there will be a few people there who could tell you or help you
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 28 August 2008, 14:17:26
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Be ready to have your pants pulled down mate :-[
You can get the Gearbox filter and gaskets for £35 from ABS, the oil will cost you about £20, then an hour or so of your time :y
So i will bel ooking at around £55 for parts and then labour charges ?

No just the parts you need....
Shame you weren't coming to Newent there will be a few people there who could tell you or help you

Newent is a 220 miles round trip for me.....if only it was not that far... the local vauxhall stealers will rip me off as usual...
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 28 August 2008, 14:20:01
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Be ready to have your pants pulled down mate :-[
You can get the Gearbox filter and gaskets for £35 from ABS, the oil will cost you about £20, then an hour or so of your time :y
So i will bel ooking at around £55 for parts and then labour charges ?

No just the parts you need....
Shame you weren't coming to Newent there will be a few people there who could tell you or help you

Newent is a 220 miles round trip for me.....if only it was not that far... the local vauxhall stealers will rip me off as usual...

It depends on how you look at it really, meeting up with like minded people, having a laugh and learning about your car.
Newent is a similar distance for me.... last year one of us did 800 odd miles round trip
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: ians on 28 August 2008, 14:43:43
You can get the gaskets from Vx - around 20 quid for both on trade, or use Loctite liquid gasket.  Someone will have to tell you the part number and where to get it.

At that mileage I am sure you can clean (in parafin) and reuse the filter - its not a throwaway like an oil filter.

Make sure to remove both sumps as you can also check there is no debris (broken washers..)

Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 29 August 2008, 16:55:07
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Be ready to have your pants pulled down mate :-[
You can get the Gearbox filter and gaskets for £35 from ABS, the oil will cost you about £20, then an hour or so of your time :y
So i will bel ooking at around £55 for parts and then labour charges ?

No just the parts you need....
Shame you weren't coming to Newent there will be a few people there who could tell you or help you

Newent is a 220 miles round trip for me.....if only it was not that far... the local vauxhall stealers will rip me off as usual...

It depends on how you look at it really, meeting up with like minded people, having a laugh and learning about your car.
Newent is a similar distance for me.... last year one of us did 800 odd miles round trip

makes alot of sense... i suppose  a trip is well worth it..let me see when i can come down and i will send you a pm. Can you do the job yourself?
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: feeutfo on 29 August 2008, 18:52:53
how long has this problem been happening? Is it getting progressively worse? I dont want to worry you but i have read posts about auto boxs slipping and further driveing has only made the problem worse, sometimes terminally for the box. It is a seperate unit to the engine and has 2 oil sumps running dexron 3 oil. You  will need 2 gaskits and 5 or 6 litres of oil. Keep any left over for further top ups. Very low miles, so i worry if it has leeked oil out, any red/brown stuff on the drive or under the car?personally i would not want to do any miles until the level has been checked at the very least. There is a guide in maintenance section. Print it off, and take that and the parts to a local mech. Dont go to vx for the work, just the parts. They will take the piss! The first place to start with most auto box probs is the oil level in it. Do that and go from there. Hope helps. Good luck.


Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: feeutfo on 29 August 2008, 20:53:20
how long has this problem been happening? Is it getting progressively worse? I dont want to worry you but i have read posts about auto boxs slipping and further driveing has only made the problem worse, sometimes terminally for the box. It is a seperate unit to the engine and has 2 oil sumps running dexron 3 oil. You  will need 2 gaskits and 5 or 6 litres of oil. Keep any left over for further top ups. Very low miles, so i worry if it has leeked oil out, any red/brown stuff on the drive or under the car?personally i would not want to do any miles until the level has been checked at the very least. There is a guide in maintenance section. Print it off, and take that and the parts to a local mech. Dont go to vx for the work, just the parts. They will take the piss! The first place to start with most auto box probs is the oil level in it. Do that and go from there. Hope helps. Good luck.


Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: TheBoy on 29 August 2008, 21:50:50
A software update will not fix that issue, thats mechanical.  As others have said, replace the transmission fluid as first port of call.
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 29 August 2008, 22:45:59
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how long has this problem been happening? Is it getting progressively worse? I dont want to worry you but i have read posts about auto boxs slipping and further driveing has only made the problem worse, sometimes terminally for the box. It is a seperate unit to the engine and has 2 oil sumps running dexron 3 oil. You  will need 2 gaskits and 5 or 6 litres of oil. Keep any left over for further top ups. Very low miles, so i worry if it has leeked oil out, any red/brown stuff on the drive or under the car?personally i would not want to do any miles until the level has been checked at the very least. There is a guide in maintenance section. Print it off, and take that and the parts to a local mech. Dont go to vx for the work, just the parts. They will take the piss! The first place to start with most auto box probs is the oil level in it. Do that and go from there. Hope helps. Good luck.



Thanks for your input. I have noticed the problem only in the last week, i do only 50 miles a week so i am not so worried. Will have the transmission oil changed next week and hopefully take thing from that point....
I have toyed with the idea that the car was sold becuase of a terminal gearbox problem, thats the thing with cars you can never tell. I drove the car for a 300 miles round trips when i got the car an there was no problem at all..
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 29 August 2008, 22:47:22
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A software update will not fix that issue, thats mechanical.  As others have said, replace the transmission fluid as first port of call.
Thanks will change transmission fluid and take things from there..
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: feeutfo on 29 August 2008, 23:20:55
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how long has this problem been happening? Is it getting progressively worse? I dont want to worry you but i have read posts about auto boxs slipping and further driveing has only made the problem worse, sometimes terminally for the box. It is a seperate unit to the engine and has 2 oil sumps running dexron 3 oil. You  will need 2 gaskits and 5 or 6 litres of oil. Keep any left over for further top ups. Very low miles, so i worry if it has leeked oil out, any red/brown stuff on the drive or under the car?personally i would not want to do any miles until the level has been checked at the very least. There is a guide in maintenance section. Print it off, and take that and the parts to a local mech. Dont go to vx for the work, just the parts. They will take the piss! The first place to start with most auto box probs is the oil level in it. Do that and go from there. Hope helps. Good luck.



Thanks for your input. I have noticed the problem only in the last week, i do only 50 miles a week so i am not so worried. Will have the transmission oil changed next week and hopefully take thing from that point....
I have toyed with the idea that the car was sold becuase of a terminal gearbox problem, thats the thing with cars you can never tell. I drove the car for a 300 miles round trips when i got the car an there was no problem at all..
Ok,in that case i would suggest using the car as little as possible, until the level has been checked or the box oil serviced/changed. You could end up costing yourself a gear box. Hopefully you have caught it early enough...

Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 31 August 2008, 19:38:07
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There is a guide in maintenance section. Print it off, and take that and the parts to a local mech. Dont go to vx for the work, just the parts. They will take the piss! The first place to start with most auto box probs is the oil level in it. Do that and go from there. Hope helps. Good luck.



I cannot seem to find this guide in the maintainance section...some please guide me thanks.
Title: Re: Gearbox problems ??
Post by: Kumamoto on 10 October 2008, 11:52:20
Had the ATF fluid changed and waited a couple of weeks. The car has been brilliant. Gearbox behaving itself.

Last week, i had the gearbox software updated by  'The Boy' and gear box change is now so much  smoother  than before. It had version 3 gearbox software and it was updated with version 9!
Not to mention cruise control was enabled as well...
Thank you all for your input!