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Title: heater matrix piping...
Post by: ngrainqey on 04 October 2008, 21:37:20
hiya.. following taking out my 2.0 16v engine (to swap to a 2.5) basically i chopped one of the pipes from the heater matrix as it was one of those annoying platic joints (if you know which i mean)

the only thing is... can anybody suggest what to do as regards piping it onto the 2.5 - just chop the pipe neatly and get one of those clips with a worm gear on and connect it with that?

the pipe goes from the heater matrix (bulkhead) to a 1 and a half-2 inch diametre pipe so could be a bugger to get to join up

thanks
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: markey mark on 04 October 2008, 23:58:45
get the proper pipes dude  :y
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: feeutfo on 05 October 2008, 00:55:16
maybe one of the friendly breakers on herds can sort you out with the correct pipe for 2.5.
Fairly sure a guide in maintenance section goes into the hose pipe clips on the bulk head. Worth a look.
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: MutantCav on 05 October 2008, 08:51:06
Which pipe is it mate, probably still on the car or in the garage lol if its the one that goes into the bulkhead on the passenders side then its still on the car...couldnt work out how to remove it...
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: Omega man 2 on 05 October 2008, 22:28:47
I've been toying around with the idea of swaping a 2.0 with a 2.5.
I'm just not sure if it can be done. I've had a good look around the car and all the fittings for a v6 are there. I am just wondering if the gearbox will fit and how long the job will take as they are my main worries. I can't buy a v6 as I am living in Ireland and they are extremely rare and overpriced. I also can't bring one over as a new emmision based scheme over here would mean 2000 euro road tax (bas***ds).

Btw. I had to bypass the heater matrix as it was leaking and when the new one arrived from ebay I just cut off the plastic clips and the piece of pipe stuck to them and simply sucured the pipe with a good old jublee clip.

Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: ngrainqey on 05 October 2008, 22:44:31
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I've been toying around with the idea of swaping a 2.0 with a 2.5.
I'm just not sure if it can be done. I've had a good look around the car and all the fittings for a v6 are there. I am just wondering if the gearbox will fit and how long the job will take as they are my main worries. I can't buy a v6 as I am living in Ireland and they are extremely rare and overpriced. I also can't bring one over as a new emmision based scheme over here would mean 2000 euro road tax (bas***ds).

Btw. I had to bypass the heater matrix as it was leaking and when the new one arrived from ebay I just cut off the plastic clips and the piece of pipe stuck to them and simply sucured the pipe with a good old jublee clip.


lol funny you should say about swapping the 2.0 for 2.5.... im doing that atm arnt i chris? lol

it's not a bad swap but depends if your leaving it as standard 2.5 167bhp lump or changing cams and stuff.

the annoying heater matrix pipes have the quick release(or not so quick release as i found out) connectors on them but really you need to have the engine half way out to get in next to the bulk head to unclip/chop or remove them lol!

the gearbox needs a new bellhousing which means either get an ar25/35 off a v6 and then just put that gearbox on or take ur gearbox off and then undo the seven bolts on the inside of the bellhousing and do the swap that way.

the hardest/messiest bit was the coolant and also power steering reservoir! and the exhaust is a bugger to get off at the manifold/downpipe so i unbolted it after the cat lol

hope that helps.. allow a few days if your borrowing an engine hoist -it's taken about 3 days to undo all the crap round the engine and gearbox bolts then i had to move the 2.0 round to put the gearbox onto the 2.5 and it's going back in tomorrow evening!
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: Omega man 2 on 05 October 2008, 22:51:05
ar25/35 ? Isn't that the auto (unless im mistaken). Because my 2.0 is a manual and I have a 2.5 manual doner in mind. Should that make a difference?
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: ngrainqey on 07 October 2008, 19:26:43
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ar25/35 ? Isn't that the auto (unless im mistaken). Because my 2.0 is a manual and I have a 2.5 manual doner in mind. Should that make a difference?

yeah the ar25 and 35 are autos... in the manual i imagine it's the f23 or f28 is it?
should be about the same to do either, manual is maybe easier to be honest!

i have to take this stupid metal rod for gear selector off! which is a right pain to get to!(i'd took everything off but this basically and rolled it off ramps to lift the engine out haha!)
anyway message me if your going to go for it as i'v gone through it only just lastweekend so still quite fresh lol
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: Omega man 2 on 11 October 2008, 11:47:46
OH SHITE

Well it will have to be done now anyway.

On Tuesday the car decided it would be a great laugh to eject one of its conrods out the side of the engine block!

Can anyone shed some light on how this happened? When i picked the big end up off the ground the shell was scored as if the oil wasn't circulating properly and it was always a bit rattley when cold. Could these combined with a previous owner with lead feet have caused this?

Shame, my first car blew up after 6 months, sob.
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: ngrainqey on 11 October 2008, 12:23:43
lol thats pretty darn unlucky, could help you with your engine swap if you want haha!

the problem you had sounds like oil not circulating properly, somebody said about how the oil gets to the top of the head because of excess oil from valves or cylinders was it? i'm not sure

oh yeah, it's not very hard to change to auto if you fancy my auto box! it'll want the bellhousing off the manual box and you basically swap the clutch/flywheel for the torque converter (unless markey mark says thats wrong lol)
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: ngrainqey on 21 October 2008, 22:10:15
right then...
after some careful picture thieving off the how2 section i'v managed to get this pic...
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/grainqey/valveinsitu.jpg)
can somebody help me by saving it and then adding arrows on paint to show me where the three main pipes need to come from.
if im right in saying that the pipe on the far side comes from the centre rear of the block?
thanks
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: ngrainqey on 21 October 2008, 22:41:12
maybe somebody could have a look at where the two pipes on the hbv (the two on one of the sides) go and then tell me? please?
thanks
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: ngrainqey on 22 October 2008, 19:13:48
180+views yet nobody can help? anybody?
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: feeutfo on 22 October 2008, 20:01:19
I thought i was sure which one goes where, but good job i checked first koz i would have been wrong. I "think" the one missing goes to one of the bulk head.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1181719948

Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 22 October 2008, 20:55:38
Right

 
Single inlet pipe goes to the curly whirly pipe that connects to the coolant bridge

The upper outlet pipe goes to the heater matrix connection

The lower outlet pipe goes to a T section off the main heater matrix to coolant transfer pipe.
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: Jimbob on 23 October 2008, 07:53:26
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Right

 
Single inlet pipe goes to the curly whirly pipe that connects to the coolant bridge

The upper outlet pipe goes to the heater matrix connection

The lower outlet pipe goes to a T section off the main heater matrix to coolant transfer pipe.



mmm curly wurly :)
dunno what thats doing in the engine bay mind!  If I found one in mine would eat it straight away  ;D
Title: Re: heater matrix piping...
Post by: ngrainqey on 23 October 2008, 17:54:18
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Right

 
Single inlet pipe goes to the curly whirly pipe that connects to the coolant bridge

The upper outlet pipe goes to the heater matrix connection

The lower outlet pipe goes to a T section off the main heater matrix to coolant transfer pipe.

yaaaay! thanks :D
gonna have a mission tomorrow after work :P
havnt got the t-piece though to the main coolant transfer pipe so need to find myself one
thanks anyway