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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: TerminalJunkie on 27 October 2008, 11:56:46
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I am needing to replace my rather tired CDX auto with something newer.
2.2 gives better economy but less power, is this lack of power a problem
V6 more power but seems more complicated and harder to fix when broken
more 2.2s out there, mostly cheaper
I can't make up my mind, any thoughts?
Cheers, John
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i got a 2.2 manual, and access to a 3.0 auto.
2.2 is loads, LOADS easier to work on. So much space, cam cover gasket is a doddle, really is easy compared to the V6.
The 3.0 is considerbly quicker, but i only find that above 50, through to say 90+
2.2 still sits at 80 all day long, hardly anything has ever gone wrong with mine. In 30k all i have done is.
Cam Sensor
Spark Plugs
Cambelt & Aux belt
Just changed the cam cover gasket as there was slight leakage (tiny amount in the plugs)
Its never broken down, blew a spark plug (was 30k+ old!)
Very reliable engines.
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Cheers tunnie. About what I thought.
Anyone driven a 2.2 and a 2.6 back to back?
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I had a 2.0 and a 2.5.
Depending on the load I found the 2L quite lively at slower speeds and cruised fine on mway. As Tunnie says the engine is a lot simpler/cheaper to work on if that is a factor for you.
While the 2.5 didn't necessarily feel quicker it was a whole lot more refined drive. But jobs like cam cover seals and cambelt are a notch up in difficulty and obviously the general expense level will be higher taking account of fuel, insurance, rubber, exhausts etc.
I think I would avoid a 2L auto - never had one but suspect that would be underpowered.
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i have driven 2.0's the 2.2s are quite a bit better, got more low down grunt, and quite smooth.
Lots of oil changes is key, since i started that (2k oil changes, with breather cleans) with decent BP fuel, it runs so much better.
Mine is silent on idle, silent at speed as well. Genuine exhaust helps, but at 80 with the cruise on can't here a damn thing, still pulls up hills well even full laiden.
If mine died tommorow, i would have to get a 3.0 though!
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i had the 2.5 cdx and elite.i now have the 2.2 sport with induction kit fitted,and i would say it would keep up with a 2.5 any day :y
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The v6 will always be more smooth and refined and will be effortless at a given speed compared to a 4 pot.
you pays your money and makes your choice.
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I think I would avoid a 2L auto - never had one but suspect that would be underpowered.
There's nothing worse than an auto gearbox if a car is a little lacking in the power department. Mate of mine took his Supra in for repair once and specified he had to have an automatic courtesy car, hoping they'd give him a Lexus.
Imagine his face when he returned with an automatic 1.0 Starlet. ;D Walking felt quicker. :D
Kevin
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I am needing to replace my rather tired CDX auto with something newer.
2.2 gives better economy but less power, is this lack of power a problem
V6 more power but seems more complicated and harder to fix when broken
more 2.2s out there, mostly cheaper
I can't make up my mind, any thoughts?
Cheers, John
I see myself going for a v6 next time - the 2.2 lacks a bit of power and from what i have read on other posts there isn't much difference in fuel economy.
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Arrrggghhhhhhhh, still don't know which to go for.
At this rate it will be the first CDX to come up at the right price that I don't have to drive 60 miles to find out it hasn't been serviced for 26000 miles
Life would be so much easier if I thought I would be happy without a sun roof and cruise :)
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V6 ... :) why buy only 2/3 rds of an engine ? ... :)
and the 3.2 version of the V6 is exceedingly nice ..... :)
(I might be a tad biased here ...... :) )
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Good point, except I haven't seen a single facelift auto with the bigger engine, well not this side of scotland anyway :(
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I've had a 2.0 and soon to get rid of a 2.5
The 2.5 isnt exactly fast as it eventually gets to 60 in 10 or so seconds, the 2.0 does it in a painstaking 12 or 13 from what i remember
I'd say avoid the 2.0 and a 2.2 at all costs, and an omega is quite heavy, and 2.0 and 2.2's only being a 4 pot, there just isnt enough get up and go (especially in 1st with an auto box from 0 mph) personally I would get th 2.6 or 3.0 if I was to get another one, i've also experienced a 2.5 (owned) and a 2.6 vectra and even though the bhp is the same, i noticed a massive difference in pulling power throughout the gears with a 2.6 with the torque being more.
I have never driven a 3.0 or 3.2, and I guess you have to remember tax and insurance and fuel economy
Why o why vauxhall didnt give the omega 5 speed + gear box I do not know, I just find with my 2.5 a higher ratio'd 1st gear would have made all the difference
Do vauxhall make 5 and 6 speed auto boxes now ?, i only drove a 2.0 tdi 140bhp 57 a6 the other day, and its got a 7 speed auto, from 0 to 60, i raced it with my omega, wiped the floor with a 4 pot 2.0 diesel :(
Get the 2.6 or 3.0 my freind, you will much appriciate more power throughout the rev range.
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There´s just something about a V6! :y
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The roar of a V6 engine for starts..amazing.
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for me it just comes down to money.
4 pot cheaper to run, repair, and insure i would have thought. Plus easier to work on. Cheaper and easier to fit lpg. It would have to be a manual though for me, the auto will sap to much of that lesser power, and i cant be arsed with manuals there days, too much traffic.
You will get more power and a much smoother ride with a v6, much more refined. I have driven 2.0 16v owned 2.5 and now 3.2. The 4 pot suprised me i have to say, it was very reasonable to drive. But i would have this little voice in my head"you should have a got a v6 then, not much more money, and more luxury"
The clincher for me, if it was that close a choice, would be that currently nobody on here is aware of a way to flash out the error codes on a 2.2. They cant be paperclipped. So any issues, you will need a code reader.
Get yourself a 2.6 lad, you know you want to. The v6 is worth it imho.
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I've had a 2.0 and soon to get rid of a 2.5
The 2.5 isnt exactly fast as it eventually gets to 60 in 10 or so seconds, the 2.0 does it in a painstaking 12 or 13 from what i remember
A well maintained 4pot is a lot quicker than that, mines done the dash to 60 is around 9 seconds.
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Hmmmmmmm
Swings and roundabouts it is. I have a code reader thingy, though I have no idea if the rather poor software that came with it will read anything off a 2.2
Good reasons for owning either, I think I will go out and look at both, maybe that will help make up my mind, I think the sensible part of me wants a 2.2 and the then the emotional part of me wants a V6, for the sound if nothing else.
Its a hard life :)
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Go for the V6 you know you want to!
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My 2.0 used to take 10 seconds or so 0-60 I have managed to get my 2.6 under 8 seconds a couple of times
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I can feel some form of drag racing coming on ;D ;D ;D :D
I still don't understand why there are no CDX's for sale in Shrewsbury.
Have found a V6 in Worcester that is worth a look.
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Go for the V6 you know you want to!
Cam cover on the 4 pots costs less than £20 with GM parts, and takes an hour, its sooo EASY! even when i had never done it before.
Lot to be said for ease of maintaince for a novice on a 2.2
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I can feel some form of drag racing coming on ;D ;D ;D :D
Time to dust off my performance meter, find a private test track and substantiate some of these claims perhaps?
Kevin
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I can feel some form of drag racing coming on ;D ;D ;D :D
I still don't understand why there are no CDX's for sale in Shrewsbury.
Have found a V6 in Worcester that is worth a look.
Link?
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I drove a 2.2 Facelift after having had a 2.5TD and didn't like it. Felt HUGELY underpowered. The Omega is a big heavy car that feels very mismatched to the 2.2 I drove.
Went and drove a 2.5V6 and was sold instantly. I miss the economy of the TD (and in a sad way the way it used to sound like a bus or a coach, and not a car from inside), but there's a much nicer roar when you put your foot down in the V6.
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I was also conscious of having to tow with it, and thought if it couldn't pull itself along at any rate then it would struggle dragging a pikey wagon too.
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get a g - wiez lol save the planet
i just got new 2.2 just b'use i had to drive taxi and i dont like any tdi
with front wheel drive... i use to have 2.0 L i try V6 very different
but one day i drive 740i then i find out what i want
if u want power get at least v8 ... v6 omega is like 1.0 L micra to 740
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link to v6 I found
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+OMEGA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-14-42-240-4294966436-4294966969/advert.action?R=200840320189148&distance=37&postcode=SY5+7BW&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&min_pr=&max_pr=3000&max_mileage=80000
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I've had a 2.0 and soon to get rid of a 2.5
The 2.5 isnt exactly fast as it eventually gets to 60 in 10 or so seconds, the 2.0 does it in a painstaking 12 or 13 from what i remember
I'd say avoid the 2.0 and a 2.2 at all costs, and an omega is quite heavy, and 2.0 and 2.2's only being a 4 pot, there just isnt enough get up and go (especially in 1st with an auto box from 0 mph) personally I would get th 2.6 or 3.0 if I was to get another one, i've also experienced a 2.5 (owned) and a 2.6 vectra and even though the bhp is the same, i noticed a massive difference in pulling power throughout the gears with a 2.6 with the torque being more.
I have never driven a 3.0 or 3.2, and I guess you have to remember tax and insurance and fuel economy
Why o why vauxhall didnt give the omega 5 speed + gear box I do not know, I just find with my 2.5 a higher ratio'd 1st gear would have made all the difference
Do vauxhall make 5 and 6 speed auto boxes now ?, i only drove a 2.0 tdi 140bhp 57 a6 the other day, and its got a 7 speed auto, from 0 to 60, i raced it with my omega, wiped the floor with a 4 pot 2.0 diesel :(
Get the 2.6 or 3.0 my freind, you will much appriciate more power throughout the rev range.
Did you have a house brick under the throttle pedal ???? ::)
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I'm a relative newbie to Omegas but I've just driven my 2.5 CDX saloon, which I bought a month ago, 500 miles to Bristol and back. I found it smooth, relaxing, and reasonably economical, if the display can be believed -33.5 mpg @ mostly 80-90mph cruising on the motorway. In fact so relaxing was the drive that I can't really remember much about it. I do remember the windscreen wipers packing up though, thanks to the balljoint at one end of the mechanism falling to bits.
I also have had a 3.0 Elite estate since June but I can't really comment on that as the engine has been rather troublesome. My own fault -I bought a car with no tax or MOT. It is awaiting further major work. In the brief few weeks when it appeared to be running properly it seemed very, very lively. I can't wait to get it back on the road, whereas the 2.5 is functional but unexciting. I can see why there are so many of them around. A very sensible choice for the family man who regularly drives longer distances.
I have a 2.5 Elite estate arriving shortly, but as that car also only has five cylinders I won't be able to offer an opinion until and if I restore it to a 6-pot!
I can't comment on the 4 pot Omegas as I have not driven any.
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I've had a 2.0 and soon to get rid of a 2.5
The 2.5 isnt exactly fast as it eventually gets to 60 in 10 or so seconds, the 2.0 does it in a painstaking 12 or 13 from what i remember
same with mine and mine was auto :P
A well maintained 4pot is a lot quicker than that, mines done the dash to 60 is around 9 seconds.