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Title: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 27 October 2008, 18:26:38
Last weekend engine oil change, new oil filter and new fuel/petrol filter. (done this plenty of times and 100% confident on my ability etc)

Since then the car 'lurches' occasionally on part/light throttle. Then other times runs 100%.

Plugs are 2 years old. So are the HT leads.

No fault codes, no EML either?

This weekend I'll remove the plug caps and check for oil but oil level hasnt changed since oil change and oil level was constant before oil change.

I fitted OEM cam cover gaskets about 18 months ago.

Sounds/feels like a miss-fire and occasional backfire...but sounds like a back fire into the intake not 'bang' from exhaust.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: feeutfo on 27 October 2008, 18:33:28
filter right way round? Oil in plug wells?
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 27 October 2008, 18:54:39
Petrol filter deffo right way round...been under and checked it this evening.

Can only think oil in wells or maybe O2 sensors in exhaust? ? ? ?

Yet no smell of burning oil and no change at all on dipstick? ? ? ?
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: VX1 on 27 October 2008, 19:00:58
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Last weekend engine oil change, new oil filter and new fuel/petrol filter. (done this plenty of times and 100% confident on my ability etc)

Since then the car 'lurches' occasionally on part/light throttle. Then other times runs 100%.

Plugs are 2 years old. So are the HT leads.

No fault codes, no EML either?

This weekend I'll remove the plug caps and check for oil but oil level hasnt changed since oil change and oil level was constant before oil change.

I fitted OEM cam cover gaskets about 18 months ago.

Sounds/feels like a miss-fire and occasional backfire...but sounds like a back fire into the intake not 'bang' from exhaust.

Any ideas?

I would have replaced the plugs and leads if they are two years old. Replaced the plugs on my brothers astra over the weekend and when i looked at the old plugs they certainly needed replacing thats for sure.

Paul  :y
Title: Re: Shite running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 27 October 2008, 19:12:01
Set of leads for a V6 is about £80-90

I'm intending to replace it before the end of the year and dont want to 'throw' money away.
Title: Re: Shite running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: tunnie on 27 October 2008, 20:06:08
accidentally disturb an o2 sensor on the zorst while doing the oil filter?  :-/
Title: Re: Shite running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 27 October 2008, 20:37:18
dont think I did..I have one of them there three leg adjustable spider filter wrench thingies that fits my 3/8's ratchet.

Just thinking what can cause a miss-fire but no error code or eml? ? ?

I'm 99% its fuelling/spark related. Have to see what the plugs are like on the weekend.

Thing is all is good when car/engine is cold....as soon as engine temp gets to norm miss-fire/splutter/lurching appears? ? ? ?
Title: Re: Shite running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 27 October 2008, 20:40:13
I did give a bloody good squirt of carb/choke cleaner into the throttle bodies and cleaned the MAF in meths.

Why I think possibly fouled plug(s)

Also new air filter just to rule that out.
Title: Re: Shite running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Andy B on 27 October 2008, 20:41:22
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Thing is all is good when car/engine is cold....as soon as engine temp gets to norm miss-fire/splutter/lurching appears? ? ? ?

as Tunie says then ... O2/lamda sensor. The car runs off the temp sensor till warm then switches to lamda.
Title: Re: Shite running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 27 October 2008, 20:41:50
I dont need to bleed the fuel rail if changing fuel filter?

I thought pressure from the pump will/should prime the system?
Title: Re: Shite running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 27 October 2008, 20:42:38
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Thing is all is good when car/engine is cold....as soon as engine temp gets to norm miss-fire/splutter/lurching appears? ? ? ?

as Tunie says then ... O2/lamda sensor. The car runs off the temp sensor till warm then switches to lamda.

Ok lamdas out and clean up in carb cleaner
Title: Re: sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: dbug on 28 October 2008, 00:34:52
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I dont need to bleed the fuel rail if changing fuel filter?

I thought pressure from the pump will/should prime the system?

Didn't when I changed mine - and no probs.
Title: Re: sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: feeutfo on 28 October 2008, 00:54:08
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Thing is all is good when car/engine is cold....as soon as engine temp gets to norm miss-fire/splutter/lurching appears? ? ? ?

as Tunie says then ... O2/lamda sensor. The car runs off the temp sensor till warm then switches to lamda.

Ok lamdas out and clean up in carb cleaner

Surely there would be a code if the 02 sensors where unhappy?
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 30 October 2008, 19:23:08
Now I'm confused.....since starting this thread the car has run fine 90% of the time.

Do I live with it until the replacement car arrives hopefully by December or investigate and possibly make it worse?
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: SteveMJ on 05 November 2008, 13:19:39
Is the dipstick and oil filler cap correctly seated?  If not there could be an air leak that will confuse the ECU.   The actual airflow is not through the air flow sensor.

Steve
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 05 November 2008, 13:25:28
All seals are good.

I wondering if dispack as in the 'summer' coolant did need topping up once or twice.
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 November 2008, 13:58:50
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All seals are good.

I wondering if dispack as in the 'summer' coolant did need topping up once or twice.

Andy,
If I were you I would change the o-rings under the plenum..They are very cheap..

Also the gasket from EGR to plenum and the gasket at the ICV inlet are worth double checking..

When I did those (changed them) the idle become smoother..
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 05 November 2008, 14:03:58
The EGR is blanked off.

I will have look-see soon. Yet we have a new addition to the family so  me time is...err.....'tight' at the mo

Ohh....the addittion has four feet btw
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 November 2008, 14:12:36
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The EGR is blanked off.

I will have look-see soon. Yet we have a new addition to the family so  me time is...err.....'tight' at the mo

Ohh....the addittion has four feet btw

Even the Egr is blanked off the upper part gasket can leak..But more

important have you ever changed the o-rings under the plenum ?
Title: Re: Sh*te running after oil change + new petrol filter
Post by: Essex_Andy on 05 November 2008, 14:18:43
I replaced all top end O rings when i fitted the 3.0 cams, timing belt, water pump  and new cam cover gaskets. They were done about 1 year ago