Omega Owners Forum
Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: keggy on 10 December 2008, 16:29:31
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hi to all with crap heaters, iv done away with the heater bypass valve,now got hot heaters, ;D its a bit fiddley but got there,some might say why not just fit new valve,but i fancied a challenge,,and havent got to think about another cheap plastic,nogood crap item,going wrong again,i also changed dis pack while i was that far into it,not that my original one was faulty, just precautionary took top hose direcct from engine,bottom hose,bit more work,because 2 pipes to deal with,used a t,piece in copper pipe.to join up now got bottom pipe,to join up to bottom hose water rail,refitted heater hoses 50/50 antifreeze ran up to temp,mine hits 95 then fans kick in,heaters now hot,front,and rear,at last.let vehicle stand,for awhile no leaks,drove home,heaters working fine,left for a while and checked level,all is ok ;D ;D ;D ;D
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sounds great
a diagram if any chance would be great
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Does it go cold as well as hot ..... sounds interesting :y
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yes, both sides man :y
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What did you do about the vacc pipe?
How does it affect the aircon? (you may not tell until summer!)
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the vacpipe i teed into another pipe,which works,as,for my air con i dont use it ,i open my sunroof or window .plus when youve got aircon on it scoffs fuel
Aircon is cheaper to use tha having the sunroof and windows open after a certain speed and if you've removed the HBV you will have constant heat.
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no man,when i turn my switches to cold they go cold, and when i turn them to hot they go hot,itried it on the way home from work
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pics???
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will,do pics,asap didnt think at time was just glad to get heat into my v6 estate at last.iv only got to take off few bits, so bear with me :y
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Pointless.....could have been done without removing the valve I suspect and given that so much is vac operated....what other things are not working.
I for one would describe this as a bodge and would not recommend it to anybody
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its worked for my car, and yes i can assure everthing works, ive been mending trucks and buses for 28 years,all iv done,is take something away that gives so many problems,in the first place.you just need to look at it in a open mind,that is the way millions of vehicles on the road is set up ,directly in to matrix then out, so what is the difference in me doing the same,and no i dont think its a bodge at all. so many people have similar probs with there v6s they get told to try this and that sometimes at huge cost tofind there back at square one again so ill leave it be,,, mine works ;).
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I'm afraid I agree with Mark... Bodge IMO and TBH more work than just changing the HBV itself :o :o ::) ::)
Not recommended by me :-X :-X :-X
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its worked for my car, and yes i can assure everthing works, ive been mending trucks and buses for 28 years,all iv done,is take something away that gives so many problems,in the first place.you just need to look at it in a open mind,that is the way millions of vehicles on the road is set up ,directly in to matrix then out, so what is the difference in me doing the same,and no i dont think its a bodge at all. so many people have similar probs with there v6s they get told to try this and that sometimes at huge cost tofind there back at square one again so ill leave it be,,, mine works ;).
Surely though you will now have a permanantly hot interior, during the summer you'll not have the option for cold air cos you ave a hot heater matrix.
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the vacpipe i teed into another pipe,which works,as,for my air con i dont use it ,i open my sunroof or window .plus when youve got aircon on it scoffs fuel
Aircon is cheaper to use tha having the sunroof and windows open after a certain speed and if you've removed the HBV you will have constant heat.
About 30mph IIRCC!!
TBH modern Air con makes very little to fuel economy anyway! Bet you waste more fuel with poor driving techniques than a/c would... I know I do!! ::) ::) :-X :-X :-[ :-[
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like i said in one off my other posts,when i turn to cold it goes cold and vice verser,when u turn ur heaters to cold, where does the cold air come from,wake up fella and have a good look at ur omega ...its drawn through the pollen filter into the car,then ur fan distibutes it,simple,i u think its a bodge thats fine by me,thats your opinion,try it when ur heaters pack up,,and have to struggle with a cold car
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like i said in one off my other posts,when i turn to cold it goes cold and vice verser,when u turn ur heaters to cold, where does the cold air come from,wake up fella and have a good look at ur omega ...its drawn through the pollen filter into the car,then ur fan distibutes it,simple,i u think its a bodge thats fine by me,thats your opinion,try it when ur heaters pack up,,and have to struggle with a cold car[/quote]
But you don't, as you fit a new HBV! 8-) 8-)
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any air con will reduce fuel ecomony,id sooner have my window open than put more lumberance on my engine,it was proved years ago
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any air con will reduce fuel ecomony,id sooner have my window open than put more lumberance on my engine,it was proved years ago
About 15 years ago... Modern air con makes very little difference... Trust me, I've tried it many times in many cars! My 1989 Range Rover... Yep, noticeable difference! My 199 Omega, very little difference at all!
Each to their own I suppose :o :o ::) ::) :-X :-X
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im not being rude but i put posts on about me converting my heaters ,that does work for my car.its my,so i can do what the hell i like with it.also replying to other post ,why not just fit another hbv, well i wont have to now will i
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any air con will reduce fuel ecomony,id sooner have my window open than put more lumberance on my engine,it was proved years ago
I have to say, if i had no heat in my car, i would not much care how i got the heaters working tbh bugger that.
But presumably you discovered the hbv to be at fault, rightly by the sound of it, can you explane that process...how did you diagnose it? Or have i missed all that?
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No evidence or tests carried out to prove the HBV was at fault....poor work, porr diag and a bodge.....and as you dont understand how teh vac setup works you ahev no way of knowing what else is not working like multirams, air injection, direction control flaps....
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like other people say,that when u turn switch to hot, the vacc pipe switches over to allow hot water into matrix,when not switching over either prob with vacc pipe or valve u/s thats why iv done away with mine,and plumbed it direct, and as result nice hot heaters
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It's cold at the moment and if he needs to refit an HBV in the summer he can.
It is a quick fix to get heat into a car.
As to aircon - better to use it to prevent seal leaks, and it barely effects economy as I found with the 2.0
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It's cold at the moment and if he needs to refit an HBV in the summer he can.
It is a quick fix to get heat into a car.
As to aircon - better to use it to prevent seal leaks, and it barely effects economy as I found with the 2.0
I'm with Martin, it may be a 'bodge' but i would'nt fancy playing with spanners in the current weather to properly fix it - would rather bodge quickly and wait until i could work in T-shirt & shorts to fully fix the issue
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It's cold at the moment and if he needs to refit an HBV in the summer he can.
It is a quick fix to get heat into a car.
As to aircon - better to use it to prevent seal leaks, and it barely effects economy as I found with the 2.0
I'm with Martin, it may be a 'bodge' but i would'nt fancy playing with spanners in the current weather to properly fix it - would rather bodge quickly and wait until i could work in T-shirt & shorts to fully fix the issue
It takes twice as long to do this "bodge" as it does to change the HBV!
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It's cold at the moment and if he needs to refit an HBV in the summer he can.
It is a quick fix to get heat into a car.
As to aircon - better to use it to prevent seal leaks, and it barely effects economy as I found with the 2.0
I'm with Martin, it may be a 'bodge' but i would'nt fancy playing with spanners in the current weather to properly fix it - would rather bodge quickly and wait until i could work in T-shirt & shorts to fully fix the issue
It takes twice as long to do this "bodge" as it does to change the HBV!
Ooh, Bugger!, I'll wander off then :-X
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like other people say,that when u turn switch to hot, the vacc pipe switches over to allow hot water into matrix,when not switching over either prob with vacc pipe or valve u/s thats why iv done away with mine,and plumbed it direct, and as result nice hot heaters
Is it a gls?(ac only not climate)
Hmmm, well your heat works most important, bloody dangerous with no visibility without heater in this weather. But, to me if you have to go and get the unions to bodge it, you may as well go and get an hbv to fix it proper. Its important to have the vac
system working, you may well loose power with the lack of multi rams and thus bugger your fuel economy and i cant beleive the vents are working properly. Vx dont spend millions on r and d for the fun of it.
Now you have your heat, go get an hbv after all you have proved its that at fault if nothing else... seriously mate.
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I'm gonna wade in here and say well done keggy.
Our Omega has no aircon, and no HBV, so you've basically turned your car into another standard (albeit poor-man's) Omega variant.
Provided that you've capped off the vac pipe that went to the HBV.
Given the number of threads on here about HBV leaking/failing and no mention that I've seen of Vx (or anyone else) having produced a better design than the original, I'm surprised no-one else has 'thought outside the box' like this.
Just my tuppenyworth.
:)
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If GM had done their R and D properly we wouldn't be having this conversation/argument ;)
Humpy