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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: feeutfo on 13 November 2008, 21:56:44
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that will fit in the spare wheel well. I have been given 2 options, both 650 diameter, but one 240 mm wide 67 litre and the other 220 wide 61 litre. Obviously im hoping the bigger one fits. Does anyone know for sure before i order it. Tia. :-)
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should do but it'd be a tight squeeze as the 235 tires go into the spare wheel well but the cover doesnt go back on properly :P
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Chris, you can just make a false floor and raise it the 20mm or so if required... Not too hard to do.
Unless yours is a saloon...??
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Chris, you can just make a false floor and raise it the 20mm or so if required... Not too hard to do.
Unless yours is a saloon...??
Yes it is a saloon, Sorry, really should have made that clear from the start. I need the through space from the boot to the rear seats so the tank has to go in the upright wheel space on the left. It looks like it will fit after a quick measure. But with the hight of the boot lid to the floor i think it will have to go in at an angle in twisting motion when fitting
As the rear wing is in the way, if you know what i mean. Fairly sure the "space" is big enough, but can it be twisted in to that position?
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Chris, you can just make a false floor and raise it the 20mm or so if required... Not too hard to do.
Unless yours is a saloon...??
Yes it is a saloon, Sorry, really should have made that clear from the start. I need the through space from the boot to the rear seats so the tank has to go in the upright wheel space on the left. It looks like it will fit after a quick measure. But with the hight of the boot lid to the floor i think it will have to go in at an angle in twisting motion when fitting
As the rear wing is in the way, if you know what i mean. Fairly sure the "space" is big enough, but can it be twisted in to that position?
And that's the million pound question!!!! ;) ;)
Sorry I can't be more helpful... But do let us know the results so we can add it to the "LPG Database" which is growing rapidly! :y :y
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Contact Sassanch
He has fitted a donut tank in the spare wheel well and can advise as to the max size etc.
I know it makes rear bulb changes a little more complex (but not impossible)
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As the rear wing is in the way, if you know what i mean. Fairly sure the "space" is big enough, but can it be twisted in to that position?
Consider access to the tail lamps etc on that side too. Even the spare wheel gets in the way when you're changing lamps. ;) :y
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Tada
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1213547003/0
64litre tank just fits in the spare wheel well
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personally i would not be worried about changing tail lamp bulbs, i have had my car over 3 years, not one bulb has gone anyware on the rear.
Just to be safe just fit brand new ones while its been done :y
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personally i would not be worried about changing tail lamp bulbs, i have had my car over 3 years, not one bulb has gone anyware on the rear.
Just to be safe just fit brand new ones while its been done :y
I thought I was being safe when I fitted all new CC Panel bulbs in April... One of them blew yesterday >:( >:( >:(
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personally i would not be worried about changing tail lamp bulbs, i have had my car over 3 years, not one bulb has gone anyware on the rear.
Just to be safe just fit brand new ones while its been done :y
I thought I was being safe when I fitted all new CC Panel bulbs in April... One of them blew yesterday >:( >:( >:(
in the 3.5 years i have had my Omega, just 1 dipped passenger side beam bulb went, thats it! :o
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If you use polyflex hose for the connections to the tank, and ensure there's some slack somewhere, light bulb changes won't be an issue IMHO. Could always replace with LEDs of course...
When I was considering one of these I came to the conclusion that it was very difficult to say if a tank would fit without seeing it. Maybe have a word with Teilo and see if he's got some you could offer up? He's unlikely to have the vertical ones in stock, but a horizontal one of the same dimensions would be just as good for measurement purposes.
Failing that, find a wheel of the same approximate size as the tank and try it for size.
You might find you're limited to a multivalve tank with a vertical toroidal. Bear in mind a 3.2 will be on the limit of what a multivalve will flow so you might have to set it to switch to petrol at high RPM. No big issue, just worth bearing in mind.
Kevin
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personally i would not be worried about changing tail lamp bulbs, i have had my car over 3 years, not one bulb has gone anyware on the rear.
Just to be safe just fit brand new ones while its been done :y
I thought I was being safe when I fitted all new CC Panel bulbs in April... One of them blew yesterday >:( >:( >:(
in the 3.5 years i have had my Omega, just 1 dipped passenger side beam bulb went, thats it! :o
Never had a bulb go, but the indicators go white long before they blow. >:(
Kevin
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You might find you're limited to a multivalve tank with a vertical toroidal. Bear in mind a 3.2 will be on the limit of what a multivalve will flow so you might have to set it to switch to petrol at high RPM. No big issue, just worth bearing in mind.
Teilo was talking about some new multi-valves he was trying to get which were good for 270+ bhp! As for switching at high RPM... I've done this anyway to overcome the hesitation between first and second with a planted right foot! ::) ::)
TBH it's so rare I take it up to 5300RPM plus it doesn't bother me but I must get some live data and send to Teilo... He wants to try and work a solution for the issue.
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Never had a bulb go, but the indicators go white long before they blow. >:(
Just wipers that stop working :P :P
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personally i would not be worried about changing tail lamp bulbs, i have had my car over 3 years, not one bulb has gone anyware on the rear.
Just to be safe just fit brand new ones while its been done :y
Yeah, but don't forget the law of sods, as soon as you fit the tank, many bulbs will blow one at a time ::)
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Teilo was talking about some new multi-valves he was trying to get which were good for 270+ bhp! As for switching at high RPM... I've done this anyway to overcome the hesitation between first and second with a planted right foot! ::) ::)
TBH it's so rare I take it up to 5300RPM plus it doesn't bother me but I must get some live data and send to Teilo... He wants to try and work a solution for the issue.
Interesting. I have the same issue. It's odd, because sometimes it will change up faultlessly at the red line. Other times it bogs down horribly. The live data from the LPG ECU isn't collected fast enough to get a good picture of what's going on IME. Lambda sensor output stays solidly on rich throughout and vapour pressure doesn't move. Can't see anything obvious from it. We can have a go at collecting some more info on Sunday if you like?
It's almost like it doesn't take kindly to the torque reduction during the gear change (implemented using a shedload of ignition retard, presumably).
Kevin
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thanks guys,a 255 wide 64 litre tank will fit according to marks link. I was aware a 64 would fit but Jeromy has offered a 67 litre which is narrower than the 64 litre at 235! I will double check this is the correct info but from the link it should fit.
Dont worry about the rear light issue guys, its a case of tank in spare wheel well, or no lpg for me.
Any issues, i will have to deal with when they occur.
Oh and it is a" 4 hole teroidal tank" or what ever its called, for more has flow at higher revs. My first thought on this was whats the point in thrashing it on lpg but in reality when driveing on the M4 i find you do have to poke it every now and then to keep out of trouble... Or is it just me. ::)
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thanks guys,a 255 wide 64 litre tank will fit according to marks link. I was aware a 64 would fit but Jeromy has offered a 67 litre which is narrower than the 64 litre at 235! I will double check this is the correct info but from the link it should fit.
Dont worry about the rear light issue guys, its a case of tank in spare wheel well, or no lpg for me.
Any issues, i will have to deal with when they occur.
Oh and it is a" 4 hole teroidal tank" or what ever its called, for more has flow at higher revs. My first thought on this was whats the point in thrashing it on lpg but in reality when driveing on the M4 i find you do have to poke it every now and then to keep out of trouble... Or is it just me. ::)
I would imagine the 4 hole tank has a solid centre section and valves on the outside hence the greater capacity. Multivalve donuts usally have the valve in the centre.
Kevin
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Teilo was talking about some new multi-valves he was trying to get which were good for 270+ bhp! As for switching at high RPM... I've done this anyway to overcome the hesitation between first and second with a planted right foot! ::) ::)
TBH it's so rare I take it up to 5300RPM plus it doesn't bother me but I must get some live data and send to Teilo... He wants to try and work a solution for the issue.
Interesting. I have the same issue. It's odd, because sometimes it will change up faultlessly at the red line. Other times it bogs down horribly. The live data from the LPG ECU isn't collected fast enough to get a good picture of what's going on IME. Lambda sensor output stays solidly on rich throughout and vapour pressure doesn't move. Can't see anything obvious from it. We can have a go at collecting some more info on Sunday if you like?
It's almost like it doesn't take kindly to the torque reduction during the gear change (implemented using a shedload of ignition retard, presumably).
Kevin
Could be worth a go... As long as SWMBO doesn't get grumpy this time ::) ::) ::)
I'll chuck the Lappy in if there's space (I'm dropping the In-Law's at Gatwick on the way down!)
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yep it fits :y
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/22112008315.jpg)
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Hate to be a party pooper Chris... But is that tank in the right position? Orientation markings should be there somewhere!
How are you planning to secure it in place?
Just interesting thoughts for the future LPG'ers!
Oh, and where's the gas tight fittings?
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Sorry for the thread hijack but whats the wiring to the left of the tank :-?
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/alexandjen/22112008315-1.jpg)
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Sorry for the thread hijack but whats the wiring to the left of the tank :-?
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/alexandjen/22112008315-1.jpg)
sumat to do with reverse sensors .......
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Sorry for the thread hijack but whats the wiring to the left of the tank :-?
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/alexandjen/22112008315-1.jpg)
sumat to do with reverse sensors .......
Ahh cheers Andy, that's why my CDX hasn't got it then ::)
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Sorry for the thread hijack but whats the wiring to the left of the tank :-?
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/alexandjen/22112008315-1.jpg)
sumat to do with reverse sensors .......
Ahh cheers Andy, that's why my CDX hasn't got it then ::)
I just remembered from a previous post
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yep it fits :y
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/22112008315.jpg)
That looks rather good, actually. :y
I'll bear that in mind if I ever get short of space.
Kevin
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Been pondering this on the way back from Brighton today... They have definitely supplied a Vertical Toroidal tank haven't they? :-/ :-/
Something about that tank is ringing alarm bells in the back of my head, other than the lack of a gas tight box, but I can't put my finger on it!
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Been pondering this on the way back from Brighton today... They have definitely supplied a Vertical Toroidal tank haven't they? :-/ :-/
Something about that tank is ringing alarm bells in the back of my head, other than the lack of a gas tight box, but I can't put my finger on it!
here are some pics for your experienced eyes, forgive the quality of the pic above, i had just that minute got in the door and found mt new kit in the hall way and instantly took the spare out of the boot to see if it would fit, thats all, i did not put it in any psition in paticular, just wanted to check it would go in. Anyway, here are some more clearer pics of the tank, sorry the pic is on its side...
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/23112008320.jpg)
and the front end kit(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/23112008322.jpg)
thanks for interest, and further cooments, are the brackets on the tank correct, i would imagine them to be on the back :-/
ive not seen any paper work so not sure exactly whats been delivered,
Cheers :y
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that is a doughnut horizontal tank designed to fit in the spare wheel well of an estate car.single hole doughnut tanks work perfectly well in a 3 litre omega.
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that is a doughnut horizontal tank designed to fit in the spare wheel well of an estate car.single hole doughnut tanks work perfectly well in a 3 litre omega.
Right, back on the phone to Jeromy then. Did make it clear i have a saloon on more than one occassion.
Maybe a mix up with his supplier.
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that is a doughnut horizontal tank designed to fit in the spare wheel well of an estate car.single hole doughnut tanks work perfectly well in a 3 litre omega.
Right, back on the phone to Jeromy then. Did make it clear i have a saloon on more than one occassion.
Maybe a mix up with his supplier.
That's what was bothering me!
In his defence, he may not have realised the spare is mounted vertically in the Miggy. Have you managed to get hold of him yet?
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that is a doughnut horizontal tank designed to fit in the spare wheel well of an estate car.single hole doughnut tanks work perfectly well in a 3 litre omega.
Right, back on the phone to Jeromy then. Did make it clear i have a saloon on more than one occassion.
Maybe a mix up with his supplier.
That's what was bothering me!
In his defence, he may not have realised the spare is mounted vertically in the Miggy. Have you managed to get hold of him yet?
Yes, spoke to him earlier, seems to be a bit of a mix up. Awaiting a ring back.
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right, im getting a bit concerned about this now.
Its been over a month since the error with the estate donut tank and ive had nothing but silence,from Jeromy at Motogas, since i last chased him up for a saloon upright tank. He said they are difficult to get hold of! Is this likely?
I told the guy 3 times before ordering it was a saloon and he never batted an eyelid. Now all of a sudden they cant get them. It gives the impression theyre not interested in sorting it out tbh. Or am i missing something?
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right, im getting a bit concerned about this now.
Its been over a month since the error with the estate donut tank and ive had nothing but silence,from Jeromy at Motogas, since i last chased him up for a saloon upright tank. He said they are difficult to get hold of! Is this likely?
I told the guy 3 times before ordering it was a saloon and he never batted an eyelid. Now all of a sudden they cant get them. It gives the impression theyre not interested in sorting it out tbh. Or am i missing something?
Hi Chris,
I can't believe they are having that much difficulty... Sounds like Jeromy has done his usual ::) ::) He did the same when there was a mix up with collecting my kit and left me waiting outside the place. Luckily Teilo just went off and sorted it, which is why he is the person I recommend dealing with! I'll try and get it sorted :y :y
I've left a message for Teilo to call me about some other stuff too so I'll get him on the case and give him your number. The only difference I know of is that vertical tanks normally have a multivalve and are more expensive, but there's no reason why he can't keep you updated. I know I could get one within the week from another (much more expensive) supplier!
Sorry you've had such a problem but I'm sure it'll be sorted fairly quickly once Teilo is on the case :y :y
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right, im getting a bit concerned about this now.
Its been over a month since the error with the estate donut tank and ive had nothing but silence,from Jeromy at Motogas, since i last chased him up for a saloon upright tank. He said they are difficult to get hold of! Is this likely?
I told the guy 3 times before ordering it was a saloon and he never batted an eyelid. Now all of a sudden they cant get them. It gives the impression theyre not interested in sorting it out tbh. Or am i missing something?
Hi Chris,
I can't believe they are having that much difficulty... Sounds like Jeromy has done his usual ::) ::) He did the same when there was a mix up with collecting my kit and left me waiting outside the place. Luckily Teilo just went off and sorted it, which is why he is the person I recommend dealing with! I'll try and get it sorted :y :y
I've left a message for Teilo to call me about some other stuff too so I'll get him on the case and give him your number. The only difference I know of is that vertical tanks normally have a multivalve and are more expensive, but there's no reason why he can't keep you updated. I know I could get one within the week from another (much more expensive) supplier!
Sorry you've had such a problem but I'm sure it'll be sorted fairly quickly once Teilo is on the case :y :y
Thanks for getting involved, much appreciated. Ive just got off the phone to Jeromy and if says hes asked Tailo to ring me. So must be " Tailos" fault then, yeah right. Anyway, its no real problem as ive done bog all with the kit yet. Just some communication would be nice from them. I did try to speak to Tailo from the outset but they kept passing me on to Jeromy. Gues they are busy.
Thanks for input though.
Cheers.
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right, im getting a bit concerned about this now.
Its been over a month since the error with the estate donut tank and ive had nothing but silence,from Jeromy at Motogas, since i last chased him up for a saloon upright tank. He said they are difficult to get hold of! Is this likely?
I told the guy 3 times before ordering it was a saloon and he never batted an eyelid. Now all of a sudden they cant get them. It gives the impression theyre not interested in sorting it out tbh. Or am i missing something?
Hi Chris,
I can't believe they are having that much difficulty... Sounds like Jeromy has done his usual ::) ::) He did the same when there was a mix up with collecting my kit and left me waiting outside the place. Luckily Teilo just went off and sorted it, which is why he is the person I recommend dealing with! I'll try and get it sorted :y :y
I've left a message for Teilo to call me about some other stuff too so I'll get him on the case and give him your number. The only difference I know of is that vertical tanks normally have a multivalve and are more expensive, but there's no reason why he can't keep you updated. I know I could get one within the week from another (much more expensive) supplier!
Sorry you've had such a problem but I'm sure it'll be sorted fairly quickly once Teilo is on the case :y :y
Thanks for getting involved, much appreciated. Ive just got off the phone to Jeromy and if says hes asked Tailo to ring me. So must be " Tailos" fault then, yeah right. Anyway, its no real problem as ive done bog all with the kit yet. Just some communication would be nice from them. I did try to speak to Tailo from the outset but they kept passing me on to Jeromy. Gues they are busy.
Thanks for input though.
Cheers.
He'll sort it for you :y :y :y
One bit of advice I'd give you re the kit is to get the loom out in the lounge or somewhere and mark all the wires for where they need connecting... It makes it so much easier to fit :y :y
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Chris, I've just spoken to Teilo and he's going to give you a call... They are having troubles getting the tank but he'll fill you in on all the details :y :y
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Chris, I've just spoken to Teilo and he's going to give you a call... They are having troubles getting the tank but he'll fill you in on all the details :y :y
Thanks Lazy, needless to say i have still not had a call since last spoke to jeromy, as he said i would. Ill ring Tailo am. Cheers. Much appreciated.
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not sure whats going on here, just got home from work to find the neighbours have a box and bloody enormous donut tank, bigger than the other estate version but less capacity. Its covered in dust and footprints i think, has a bloody great dent in the side which has cracked the paint and cant now be structurally sound, the cert. says it was made in 04 and is guaranteed for 18 months if its sold within 2 years of when it was made, which it is not by 2 years, so no warranty. Oh and its a single hole as far ar i can tell, 2 inch diameter hole in the middle of the donut? Apart from that its perfect.
I did speak to Jeromy last week and he said the tank should be with them by thursday last and he would ring to arrange delivery then. That was the last i heard from them.
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I would send it back. they are supposed to be removed and pressure tested at 10 years IIRC. Not that anyone bothers, but that's a significant proportion of its' "life"gone, a dent implies that the courier have bounced it against something hard, and it's not a 4 hole one anyway. >:(
IIRC, all components I was supplied for my conversion, were dated within a couple of months of when I received them.
Kevin
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If the dent has deformed any part of the welding then don't use it.
I suspect it's either been thrown or dropped off a lorry during unloading.
I had problems getting a dent free tank a few years ago. It took three goes in the end.
Most tanks are just wrapped in a thin cardboard box and are not marked as fragile, which seems to be an open invitation for some t*sser couriers to damage them as they see fit. Polystyrene pads in the box would prevent most damage, but nobody seems to care.
Tanks can and do rot from the inside due to water and acid contaminants in the fuel, hence the nominal 10 year service life.
I've recently replaced an 8 year old underslung tank that was dangerously thin at the bottom due to being scraped on the ground and not repainted in the past.
FWIW a 64 litre vertical Stako tank fits very snugly into the Omega saloon's spare wheel compartment. A bit of ingenuity is needed to route the vent pipes through the side panel where they will be covered by the bumper, but the end result is worth it. You'll get 200+ miles range and won't lose much boot space.
FES Autogas can supply these tanks.
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not sure whats going on here, just got home from work to find the neighbours have a box and bloody enormous donut tank, bigger than the other estate version but less capacity. Its covered in dust and footprints i think, has a bloody great dent in the side which has cracked the paint and cant now be structurally sound, the cert. says it was made in 04 and is guaranteed for 18 months if its sold within 2 years of when it was made, which it is not by 2 years, so no warranty. Oh and its a single hole as far ar i can tell, 2 inch diameter hole in the middle of the donut? Apart from that its perfect.
I did speak to Jeromy last week and he said the tank should be with them by thursday last and he would ring to arrange delivery then. That was the last i heard from them.
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think they do a 4-hole vertical torroidal tank at the moment :-? :-? :-/ :-/
Definitely get on the phone to them though as it does sound like the courier has damaged it. I was under the impression from Teilo that they were waiting on a foreign supplier to ship some new ones so they may not know the condition of this tank... It's probably been drop-shipped from his supplier.
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Definitely get on the phone to them though as it does sound like the courier has damaged it. I was under the impression from Teilo that they were waiting on a foreign supplier to ship some new ones so they may not know the condition of this tank... It's probably been drop-shipped from his supplier.
My tank was shipped from a third party. Can't remember who now, but it didn't arrive through Teilo. It was also just in a cardboard box with a plastic net over it. I remember thinking it could easily have got damaged. :(
Kevin
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Definitely get on the phone to them though as it does sound like the courier has damaged it. I was under the impression from Teilo that they were waiting on a foreign supplier to ship some new ones so they may not know the condition of this tank... It's probably been drop-shipped from his supplier.
My tank was shipped from a third party. Can't remember who now, but it didn't arrive through Teilo. It was also just in a cardboard box with a plastic net over it. I remember thinking it could easily have got damaged. :(
Kevin
Mine too... Don't even remember mine being in a box... Think it was just wrapped in plastic over the net :o :o
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had a couple of calls from Jeromy and Tailo today, upshot is stako are delivering a straight swap new tank on monday under warranty to replace the dented tank.
But this still leaves me with a single hole tank!
As opposed to the four hole ive paid and arranged for to avoid top end trip out to petrol and give better flow at the pump. They now say stako dont make a four hole upright teroidal, even though Jeromy never batted an eye lid when said it was a saloon, they cant get one from anywhere else and they are out of pocket as this one costs more...
A further call to Tailo confirmed what jeromy says and that the a single hole tank should be fine if 8mill pipe is used for the 3.2. Which begs the question why did Jeromy suggest the 4 hole in the first place? Esp when they first said the 4 hole was more expensive!
Jeromy must have assumed i had an estate, after he" lost my notes" as he put it, because i was asking for a donut tank. I certainly never told him that, i remember telling him all about needing the through space and all that. Have to say my BS sensors have been kicking up a bit over this...
Aaaanyway, does anyone know/can advise if the single hole will flow enough gas, and if not, an upright 4 hole teroidal tank supplier?
Ps on the plus side the single hole has all the gubbins in the centre of the tank with a flush fitting rubber sealed cover, so this looks like it should allow the carpet spare wheel cover to fit over the top so should look neater. Could not see how the cover was going to fit over the alloy external seal on the 4 hole. :-)
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had a couple of calls from Jeromy and Tailo today, upshot is stako are delivering a straight swap new tank on monday under warranty to replace the dented tank.
But this still leaves me with a single hole tank!
As opposed to the four hole ive paid and arranged for to avoid top end trip out to petrol and give better flow at the pump. They now say stako dont make a four hole upright teroidal, even though Jeromy never batted an eye lid when said it was a saloon, they cant get one from anywhere else and they are out of pocket as this one costs more...
A further call to Tailo confirmed what jeromy says and that the a single hole tank should be fine if 8mill pipe is used for the 3.2. Which begs the question why did Jeromy suggest the 4 hole in the first place? Esp when they first said the 4 hole was more expensive!
Jeromy must have assumed i had an estate, after he" lost my notes" as he put it, because i was asking for a donut tank. I certainly never told him that, i remember telling him all about needing the through space and all that. Have to say my BS sensors have been kicking up a bit over this...
Aaaanyway, does anyone know/can advise if the single hole will flow enough gas, and if not, an upright 4 hole teroidal tank supplier?
Ps on the plus side the single hole has all the gubbins in the centre of the tank with a flush fitting rubber sealed cover, so this looks like it should allow the carpet spare wheel cover to fit over the top so should look neater. Could not see how the cover was going to fit over the alloy external seal on the 4 hole. :-)
Single hole tank is absolutely fine, mate.
I'm not even sure you need the 8mm pipe - just remember it's going to be bottlenecked to 6mm in places anyway..
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Aaaanyway, does anyone know/can advise if the single hole will flow enough gas.?
Single hole tank is absolutely fine, mate.
I'm not even sure you need the 8mm pipe - just remember it's going to be bottlenecked to 6mm in places anyway..
Thanks James, mind at rest again. :y
Getting to the point where ive run out of excuses and have to actually start installing the bloody thing. Q 3 months of rain sleet and snow, by which time petrol will be 70p a litre. Still, soon be christmas. :-)
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He only said to me that the single hole multivalve was "getting marginal" for a 3.2. Not sure what it's rated at. TBH, the whole kit is struggling a little at maximum revs anyway. Rail injectors are a bit clunky for that sort of engine speed IMHO.
However, at the less frenetic end where you do 99.9% of your driving any tank / pipe / multivalve combo will work like a dream.
IIRC, I remember a comment that Teilo was getting some multivalves with a higher power capability?
Sounds like the single hole tank is the easier of the two to fit, it will be cheaper than the 4 hole and most likely it'll be entirely adequate. As James said, some of the LPG liquid fittings have 6mm or less diameter anyway, so not sure if 8mm pipe actually buys you much if you've got to go down to 6mm to get into the vapouriser, for example. I would still use 8mm.
Sassanach had a vertical toroidal single hole on a 3.0 IIRC. I wonder if he had any issues? Certainly none that I remember.
Kevin
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no issues at all,worked perfectly. ;D
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thanks Kevin and Sassenach. Much appreciated.