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Title: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: san on 07 January 2009, 00:13:15
Hello Folks.
First of all thanks for the last help. Found spark plugs with oil, using the GUIDES here I was able to change the cam gasket (blocked breather pipe), change spark plug, clean the throttle body, After 3 hours service done and for me was a pleasure.
Car was running perfect until start failing again.
Now only fails with the engine in IDLE and HOT and. No failure lights, feels the car shaking and the rpm indicator goes down and come back.
Well I just can see:
- Coil pack fail (could be in short after the oil in the spark plug) :-/
- Air leaking ??? :-/ :-
- ???

Help from the experts here.

Again thanks for the GUIDES that save me some and gave a lot of pleasure to make the maintenance by myself.
CAR: 2002 - 2.2 = 65000m - CD - AUTO
Thanks a lot
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 January 2009, 00:22:04
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Hello Folks.
First of all thanks for the last help. Found spark plugs with oil, using the GUIDES here I was able to change the cam gasket (blocked breather pipe), change spark plug, clean the throttle body, After 3 hours service done and for me was a pleasure.
Car was running perfect until start failing again.
Now only fails with the engine in IDLE and HOT and. No failure lights, feels the car shaking and the rpm indicator goes down and come back.
Well I just can see:
- Coil pack fail (could be in short after the oil in the spark plug) :-/
- Air leaking ??? :-/ :-
- ???

Help from the experts here.

Again thanks for the GUIDES that save me some and gave a lot of pleasure to make the maintenance by myself.
CAR: 2002 - 2.2 = 65000m - CD - AUTO
Thanks a lot

If your spark plug wells were full of oil maybe your leads are naffed mate..
Sorry just noticed your car is a 2.2 I answered for a v6 sorry.. Could do with putting your particulars under your avatar  :y
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: feeutfo on 07 January 2009, 00:24:54
probably the rubber boots have split on the coil pac, due to the oil, seem to remember a mention that the rubbers are available seperately to the coil pac, which comes with them, so you need to remove the coil pac and examine, imho.

 if the coil pack is damaged/cracked as well, just get the coil pac, obviously. ;)
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: san on 07 January 2009, 00:31:40
Thanks for reply.

Which ones ? There is a pack with 2 screws on the top of the spark plugs.

Thinking about change the fuel filter.
The strange is no fails start running the car (actually very fine, fast acceleration - after the cleaning) .  When I stop the car start fails. :-[
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: feeutfo on 07 January 2009, 00:39:05
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Thanks for reply.

Which ones ? There is a pack with 2 screws on the top of the spark plugs.
Thinking about change the fuel filter.
The strange is no fails start running the car (actually very fine, fast acceleration - after the cleaning) .  When I stop the car start fails. :-[
yep
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: san on 07 January 2009, 00:56:48
Rubbers........Could be.
I remember 2 days before find the oil (a lot) had the same problem.
And after change the gasket was fine for 2 weeks.

Does the coil pack can be easily damaged ?
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: feeutfo on 07 January 2009, 01:08:23
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Rubbers........Could be.
I remember 2 days before find the oil (a lot) had the same problem.
And after change the gasket was fine for 2 weeks.

Does the coil pack can be easily damaged ?

not easily, imho. but the oil and heat will cook the plastic and rubber if left long enough, and then allow the spark to escape.
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: san on 07 January 2009, 01:28:49
I'll try to clean and dry to test.
Thanks for the help

Sanderly
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: ians on 07 January 2009, 09:49:35
I think this is a 2L breather/ICV problem.

Make sure you follow the guide in detail. Especially the cleaning of the small bore nozzle just under the throttle body.  If the hoses are like putty then replace them - only a few quid.   Give the ICV a good clean and replace both the ICV and TB gaskets - again only pennies.
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Now failing on M4 today
Post by: san on 11 January 2009, 23:22:59
Hello All.
Thanks for all help here.

Not too much time to work on it. Shame on me.
My problem changed now, before just failing in idle.
Today I got the M25 towards London.  Everything was fine until get the entrance for M4. Car started fail. Stopped on the shoulder ,open hood and went to the coil pack. Nothing, dry.
Just got my way back home to Chertsey.
Car failing JUST after 2500 RPM. Can't go after 60 mph.  When I did some pressure and got more RPM the engine light came on. Ask a friend to take a look in the code for me.   :-/ :'(
Well. I will check:
- Fuel Filter
- Clean again throttle body
- Coil Pack with problem (Was full of oil on the plugs when I got the first problem.

- Looks the problem start when the car get hot.

Any more Ideas ???
Cheers

Sanderly

Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: Tony_1985 on 11 January 2009, 23:50:26
Probably best to check those 3 first mate, before spending huge amounts of money

While you have the throttle body off, clean the Idle Control Valve too and all breather pipes
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: feeutfo on 12 January 2009, 02:10:18
if it is the spark breaking down under load that is causing the problem,the longer you leave it, the more damage will be done. Imho.

May need new plugs as well now, the insulator may well be scored/damaged, leaving black tracks/lines. Check the plugs as well when you check the coil pac.
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: san on 13 January 2009, 23:19:37
Thanks Chris

Code p0304 some days ago. Cleared and came back today.

Work for the weekend

San
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: feeutfo on 13 January 2009, 23:28:41
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Thanks Chris

Code p0304 some days ago. Cleared and came back today.

Work for the weekend

San
Missfire cylinder 4, in case they didnt tell you. Good hunting.  :y
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: Marie on 14 January 2009, 09:56:18
their is a way to test the spark of your leads, well to test they are sparking.

firstly it needs to be darkish to see the spark.

you need to get access to the leads  remove one lead turn the engine on and hold it aganist the enigne block (from what i racall) it should give a decent spark. turn the engine off and then move on to the next lead and repeat the process.

if your not happy doing this then you can check the resistance and continunity of the leads with a fluke. i cant remember from the top of my head what the reading should be.

i am sure someone will know on here.

the other one if the rubber ends are stained at the bottom from oil i would recommend replacing them. i replaced mine with bosoch ones and they have been ok.

good luck and i hope this helps.
Title: Re: Asking for Help Again - Engine failing in Idle
Post by: san on 21 January 2009, 23:42:56
Since Sunday no failing :y.

Saturday: Nice clean on the throttle body (need change the hose :exclamation). Some oil in the butterfly and put it back. Failed again >:(

Sunday: Coil Pack out. Oil and Water in the last spark plug. Saturday Night rained a lot here and I just saw a drain hole in the top of the coil pack.  Well nice clean again. Rubbers, springs and everything else. lots of paper and cotton to dry. Petrol Filter looks dirty but no tool or space bellow the car to take out.  New tighten in the cam cover.  :-?

Since this no fails.

Running low in money I can't have the luxury to send to someone and need know exactly the bad part.  Starting in the cheaper ones is my option.  Wait the salary to change the filter. :-[

Thanks for everyone that give me help.

Sanderly - Chertsey