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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 12 November 2007, 20:25:27
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7091106.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7089933.stm
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im in a catch 22 here...
on one hand i detest the high price of petrol and agree something should be done, but the blockade will cause fuel shortages and will mean i will lose business as i will not be able to travel.....
I have a couple of days off this week, i must get that LPG kit done
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7091106.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7089933.stm
Won't surprise me. Still struggling to figure out how the price of a barrel of oil is in excess of $100 and no shortage being announced. Unreal how much money the oil companies ...... and the government are making at the moment >:(
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unfortunately no goverment on earth can drop the prices alone..Its a very complicated mixture , as big demands are from US,China and some other countries with multinational companies..Even Arabs can not effect unless they give free ;D
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Blockades will never happen again.
We will pay the prices
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unfortunately no goverment on earth can drop the prices alone..Its a very complicated mixture , as big demands are from US,China and some other countries with multinational companies..Even Arabs can not effect unless they give free ;D
Agreed. But governments can stop taking 70% of the price we pay in tax
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unfortunately no goverment on earth can drop the prices alone..Its a very complicated mixture , as big demands are from US,China and some other countries with multinational companies..Even Arabs can not effect unless they give free ;D
Agreed. But governments can stop taking 70% of the price we pay in tax
Absolutely..This is that sharp part that hurts >:(
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I agree with the rise in prices, and road tax increases, we need to lesson the amount of vehicles on the road and this is one way of priceing the motorist off the road, travel if you need to, if no one agrees with the price rises then leave the car at home and use our fantastic public transport.
No pain, no gain, if we are to save the planet for future generations, then action needs to be taken, i say put the prices up.
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I agree with the rise in prices, and road tax increases, we need to lesson the amount of vehicles on the road and this is one way of priceing the motorist off the road, travel if you need to, if no one agrees with the price rises then leave the car at home and use our fantastic public transport.
No pain, no gain, if we are to save the planet for future generations, then action needs to be taken, i say put the prices up.
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Then sell your V6 and buy a Prius :P
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I agree with the rise in prices, and road tax increases, we need to lesson the amount of vehicles on the road and this is one way of priceing the motorist off the road, travel if you need to, if no one agrees with the price rises then leave the car at home and use our fantastic public transport.
No pain, no gain, if we are to save the planet for future generations, then action needs to be taken, i say put the prices up.
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didi you have your tongue in your cheek whilst typing that?
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I agree with the rise in prices, and road tax increases, we need to lesson the amount of vehicles on the road and this is one way of priceing the motorist off the road, travel if you need to, if no one agrees with the price rises then leave the car at home and use our fantastic public transport.
No pain, no gain, if we are to save the planet for future generations, then action needs to be taken, i say put the prices up.
:y :y :y :y
Then sell your V6 and buy a Prius :P
ahh yes the Pratus, or Prikus....
did you know that the Prius has a massive carbon footprint?
they are made in Japan, they have to be shipped and shipping creates massive carbon footprints, a recent report stated that the pruis would have to run on batteries alone for 3 years before it could negate that.....
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I agree with the rise in prices, and road tax increases, we need to lesson the amount of vehicles on the road and this is one way of priceing the motorist off the road, travel if you need to, if no one agrees with the price rises then leave the car at home and use our fantastic public transport.
No pain, no gain, if we are to save the planet for future generations, then action needs to be taken, i say put the prices up.
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didi you have your tongue in your cheek whilst typing that?
Nope, raise the prices, we will pay if we want to drive, there is nothing we can, or will do.
Also increase all vehicle taxation, not just 4x4s, bring all cars in line with them, tax caravans also, caravans should pay a PITA tax, get these off the road also.
We need to stop all this pollution, increase taxes and price all off the road if cannot pay.
>:( >:( >:(
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I agree with the rise in prices, and road tax increases, we need to lesson the amount of vehicles on the road and this is one way of priceing the motorist off the road, travel if you need to, if no one agrees with the price rises then leave the car at home and use our fantastic public transport.
No pain, no gain, if we are to save the planet for future generations, then action needs to be taken, i say put the prices up.
:y :y :y :y
Then sell your V6 and buy a Prius :P
Nope, i will run the v6 until i cannot afford to. :y
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If they must put up the price its about time they scrapped the RFL
Back door taxes are crippling the nation >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Miggy - do you also say rise the price of cleaner fuels, such as LPG and bio fuels, which are 70% cleaner?
I think they deserve relief
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People have been moaning about prices and taxation since time immemorial. As Miggy says, we'll pay, and then demand a pay rise, which we'll get and so on and so forth........
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Miggy - do you also say rise the price of cleaner fuels, such as LPG and bio fuels, which are 70% cleaner?
I think they deserve relief
No mate, i am just rambling, it annoys me what this goverment is doing to us motorist, its as though they are trying to get the average working man off the roads, all these taxes and fuel price rises really naffs people off, but what can we do, we are all softies, we put up with anything the goverment throws at us.
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And the next one will be this poxy road pricing.
Its coming
>:( >:( >:( >:(
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Miggy - do you also say rise the price of cleaner fuels, such as LPG and bio fuels, which are 70% cleaner?
I think they deserve relief
No mate, i am just rambling, it annoys me what this goverment is doing to us motorist, its as though they are trying to get the average working man off the roads, all these taxes and fuel price rises really naffs people off, but what can we do, we are all softies, we put up with anything the goverment throws at us.
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hehe, I agree
I rekon LPG is still the way to go though! I pass your place often enough, you can have a look at my conversion if you like
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I agree with the rise in prices, and road tax increases, we need to lesson the amount of vehicles on the road and this is one way of priceing the motorist off the road, travel if you need to, if no one agrees with the price rises then leave the car at home and use our fantastic public transport.
No pain, no gain, if we are to save the planet for future generations, then action needs to be taken, i say put the prices up.
:y :y :y :y
Then sell your V6 and buy a Prius :P
:o I'll die but I wont give up for my v6 ;D
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And the next one will be this poxy road pricing.
Its coming
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Not for the dirt tracks in Wales though.
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Miggy - do you also say rise the price of cleaner fuels, such as LPG and bio fuels, which are 70% cleaner?
I think they deserve relief
Biofuels should be banned. Supplying the demand for them is doing more environmental harm than burning fossil fuels. >:(
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Miggy - do you also say rise the price of cleaner fuels, such as LPG and bio fuels, which are 70% cleaner?
I think they deserve relief
No mate, i am just rambling, it annoys me what this goverment is doing to us motorist, its as though they are trying to get the average working man off the roads, all these taxes and fuel price rises really naffs people off, but what can we do, we are all softies, we put up with anything the goverment throws at us.
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hehe, I agree
I rekon LPG is still the way to go though! I pass your place often enough, you can have a look at my conversion if you like
sooner or later ;D
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Miggy - do you also say rise the price of cleaner fuels, such as LPG and bio fuels, which are 70% cleaner?
I think they deserve relief
Biofuels should be banned. Supplying the demand for them is doing more environmental harm than burning fossil fuels. >:(
Something needs to be done though, we are stuffing up the planet, all these floods and world weather issues are not freak storms, in my opinion there is deffo something happening to the climate.
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Well, as this useless government has banned smoking, is trying to ban drinking, I reckon banning driving will be high on the agenda after that.
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Sun explosions itself can also effect dramatically..But I think this global warming issue is abused by govts just for extra tax..
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Bring on the blockades I say. Yes I know that a lot of people will be inconvenienced, but it is the only option left that will make the government take notice.
They took notice the last time.
A reasonable amount of tax on fuel is OK, but being ripped off is NOT end of story really.
Just my views...
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Miggy - do you also say rise the price of cleaner fuels, such as LPG and bio fuels, which are 70% cleaner?
I think they deserve relief
Biofuels should be banned. Supplying the demand for them is doing more environmental harm than burning fossil fuels. >:(
Something needs to be done though, we are stuffing up the planet, all these floods and world weather issues are not freak storms, in my opinion there is deffo something happening to the climate.
It changes over time. Has done in the past and will continue to do so in the future. Of course we need to address fossil fuel usage (since it's finite), as well as population-growth issues, but Al Gore's current green bandwagon is likely to do more harm than good, IMHO.
And why do I suggest banning bio fuels?
This is why: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1286104,00.html
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The blockades could be back again
www.transaction-2007.com
I use my wifes little Rover Diesel to travel the country now. I used to use the Omega but that eats into my profit so I keep it so I can use something comfy at weekends. I cant put my prices up or the councils I do work for will just use someone local to them. The Rover is ok for short journeys but is noisy. I will be more than happy to protest and blockade. :(
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Bring on the blockades I say. Yes I know that a lot of people will be inconvenienced, but it is the only option left that will make the government take notice.
They took notice the last time.
A reasonable amount of tax on fuel is OK, but being ripped off is NOT end of story really.
Just my views...
Well said that man. :y
I'll pay my higher duty, so it can be used to pay the ridiculous inflated salaries of MP's, and all the other tossers that make a living ripping off the average working man?
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The blockades could be back again
www.transaction-2007.com
I use my wifes little Rover Diesel to travel the country now. I used to use the Omega but that eats into my profit so I keep it so I can use something comfy at weekends. I cant put my prices up or the councils I do work for will just use someone local to them. The Rover is ok for short journeys but is noisy. I will be more than happy to protest and blockade. :(
Join the LPG revolution Pete! :y
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Why not sign up to their forum. The more that show support, the better chance that there may be some form of action. I have never been an advocate of direct action, I've always been inclined to do that at the ballot box, but as there isn't much prospect of an election in the near future, what alternative is there?
Sign up and register your support. :y
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Why not sign up to their forum. The more that show support, the better chance that there may be some form of action. I have never been an advocate of direct action, I've always been inclined to do that at the ballot box, but as there isn't much prospect of an election in the near future, what alternative is there?
Sign up and register your support. :y
Doesn't matter who's in there, they'll always abuse their position. The motorist is an easy target, to make easy money, to pay for all the opps ups that these people seem to create. >:(
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Why not sign up to their forum. The more that show support, the better chance that there may be some form of action. I have never been an advocate of direct action, I've always been inclined to do that at the ballot box, but as there isn't much prospect of an election in the near future, what alternative is there?
Sign up and register your support. :y
Doesn't matter who's in there, they'll always abuse their position. The motorist is an easy target, to make easy money, to pay for all the opps ups that these people seem to create. >:(
Agreed, but this time something needs to be done. Living in a rural community means that there is no public transport for many people. Most people rely on their cars for their day to day existence. We rely on hauliers being able to afford to transport goods and when that becomes unaffordable, we will be the ones who have to pay the price.
Smaller hauliers will, and already are, go to the wall leaving the larger companies to carve things up amonst them. This will push prices up to everyone.
If action is not taken as a matter of urgency it will be too late.
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Bring on the blockades I say. Yes I know that a lot of people will be inconvenienced, but it is the only option left that will make the government take notice.
They took notice the last time.
A reasonable amount of tax on fuel is OK, but being ripped off is NOT end of story really.
Just my views...
do the Government really give a stuff, as i recall last time this happened the UK motorist just rolled over as per :-[
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For me, the worst aspect of fuel pricing is the fact that the government charges VAT on the net price + duty. In other words it charges tax on its own tax. :o
Government by the people for the people? Forget it. >:(
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Bring on the blockades I say. Yes I know that a lot of people will be inconvenienced, but it is the only option left that will make the government take notice.
They took notice the last time.
A reasonable amount of tax on fuel is OK, but being ripped off is NOT end of story really.
Just my views...
do the Government really give a stuff, as i recall last time this happened the UK motorist just rolled over as per :-[
Maybe not at the moment but government's minds can and have be changed. I am one of the least militant people you could ever meet. I have never advocated direct action in my life but enough is enough. We are being ripped off and for what?
Change is in the air.
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Bring on the blockades I say. Yes I know that a lot of people will be inconvenienced, but it is the only option left that will make the government take notice.
They took notice the last time.
A reasonable amount of tax on fuel is OK, but being ripped off is NOT end of story really.
Just my views...
do the Government really give a stuff, as i recall last time this happened the UK motorist just rolled over as per :-[
Maybe not at the moment but government's minds can and have be changed. I am one of the least militant people you could ever meet. I have never advocated direct action in my life but enough is enough. We are being ripped off and for what?
Change is in the air.
Thats two of us then :y
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Bring on the blockades I say. Yes I know that a lot of people will be inconvenienced, but it is the only option left that will make the government take notice.
They took notice the last time.
A reasonable amount of tax on fuel is OK, but being ripped off is NOT end of story really.
Just my views...
do the Government really give a stuff, as i recall last time this happened the UK motorist just rolled over as per :-[
Maybe not at the moment but government's minds can and have be changed. I am one of the least militant people you could ever meet. I have never advocated direct action in my life but enough is enough. We are being ripped off and for what?
Change is in the air.
Thats two of us then :y
Is that enough for the BBC to refer to us as a movement then? ;D ;D ;D
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I thought they were already in force this afternoon as I tried to fill up on my way to work. My local Tesco's filing station was heaving at about 12:30 today.
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we pay high enough fuel prices in this contry we get ripped off at every turn, we are a very small island and what we do will make no diferance at all (NONE) look at America they pay a fraction of what we do for all fuel bills and pay less tax on products. China well they use coal power stations and a lot of them, look at there open mines they are out of this world and Chineese coumpanys get free fuel from the goverment,one of the reasons we cant compete in busniss.... i have an idea lets all stop using our cars for a week if all oof members do it for a week the goverment will be about £5000000 down that week ,,,,,,or do i use to much fuel..... ;D ;D ;D
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we pay high enough fuel prices in this contry we get ripped off at every turn, we are a very small island and what we do will make no diferance at all (NONE) look at America they pay a fraction of what we do for all fuel bills and pay less tax on products. China well they use coal power stations and a lot of them, look at there open mines they are out of this world and Chineese coumpanys get free fuel from the goverment,one of the reasons we cant compete in busniss.... i have an idea lets all stop using our cars for a week if all oof members do it for a week the goverment will be about £5000000 down that week ,,,,,,or do i use to much fuel..... ;D ;D ;D
I have burnt an easy £180 over the last week >:( :'(
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The blockades could be back again
www.transaction-2007.com
I use my wifes little Rover Diesel to travel the country now. I used to use the Omega but that eats into my profit so I keep it so I can use something comfy at weekends. I cant put my prices up or the councils I do work for will just use someone local to them. The Rover is ok for short journeys but is noisy. I will be more than happy to protest and blockade. :(
Join the LPG revolution Pete! :y
I intend to Martin, My first Omega was LPG and I converted the Range Rover I had after that. But I can see LPG going the same way as petrol after all look whats happened to Diesel now its become so popular :(
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The blockades could be back again
www.transaction-2007.com
I use my wifes little Rover Diesel to travel the country now. I used to use the Omega but that eats into my profit so I keep it so I can use something comfy at weekends. I cant put my prices up or the councils I do work for will just use someone local to them. The Rover is ok for short journeys but is noisy. I will be more than happy to protest and blockade. :(
Join the LPG revolution Pete! :y
I intend to Martin, My first Omega was LPG and I converted the Range Rover I had after that. But I can see LPG going the same way as petrol after all look whats happened to Diesel now its become so popular :(
Same answer as before - heating gas and transfer pump
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The blockades could be back again
www.transaction-2007.com
I use my wifes little Rover Diesel to travel the country now. I used to use the Omega but that eats into my profit so I keep it so I can use something comfy at weekends. I cant put my prices up or the councils I do work for will just use someone local to them. The Rover is ok for short journeys but is noisy. I will be more than happy to protest and blockade. :(
Join the LPG revolution Pete! :y
I intend to Martin, My first Omega was LPG and I converted the Range Rover I had after that. But I can see LPG going the same way as petrol after all look whats happened to Diesel now its become so popular :(
Same answer as before - heating gas and transfer pump
It'll be no different to diesel, they can put in tracers to stop you using heating fuel if they deem it necessary.
One oil major is taking the situation seriously and looking back technologically looking at ethanol based fuels (V Power Diesel is a blend) from grain etc, which is sustainable, as Mr Ford intended when he brought out the dual fuel Model T.
Personally have no fears of the oil disapearing in my lifetime but the greed exhibited by the government is beyond reproach especially as they have ensured that it is the only major fossil based fuel industry we have left.
To use public transport costs twice the amount of fuel I use for commuting, busses are so badly maintained you cannot see the back of them for smoke and they take twice as long to get anywhere as well as causing chaos jumping in and out of their bus lanes.
As a motorist you are probably providing the government with more tax pounds that any other private group. Tey need to remember who pays their wages and if the only way to do so is to bring the country to a standstill then it is a case of support it or shut up and stop moaning about it.
Sorry about the rant,
Steve
By the way I'm glad to see that caravaning once again gets negative press in a totally unrelated discussion!
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The blockades could be back again
www.transaction-2007.com
I use my wifes little Rover Diesel to travel the country now. I used to use the Omega but that eats into my profit so I keep it so I can use something comfy at weekends. I cant put my prices up or the councils I do work for will just use someone local to them. The Rover is ok for short journeys but is noisy. I will be more than happy to protest and blockade. :(
Join the LPG revolution Pete! :y
I intend to Martin, My first Omega was LPG and I converted the Range Rover I had after that. But I can see LPG going the same way as petrol after all look whats happened to Diesel now its become so popular :(
Same answer as before - heating gas and transfer pump
It'll be no different to diesel, they can put in tracers to stop you using heating fuel if they deem it necessary.
One oil major is taking the situation seriously and looking back technologically looking at ethanol based fuels (V Power Diesel is a blend) from grain etc, which is sustainable, as Mr Ford intended when he brought out the dual fuel Model T.
Personally have no fears of the oil disapearing in my lifetime but the greed exhibited by the government is beyond reproach especially as they have ensured that it is the only major fossil based fuel industry we have left.
To use public transport costs twice the amount of fuel I use for commuting, busses are so badly maintained you cannot see the back of them for smoke and they take twice as long to get anywhere as well as causing chaos jumping in and out of their bus lanes.
As a motorist you are probably providing the government with more tax pounds that any other private group. Tey need to remember who pays their wages and if the only way to do so is to bring the country to a standstill then it is a case of support it or shut up and stop moaning about it.
Sorry about the rant,
Steve
By the way I'm glad to see that caravaning once again gets negative press in a totally unrelated discussion!
You can't dip the tank
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Im going to take up ballooning again ::)
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Im going to take up ballooning again ::)
Was this you then Pete?
(http://www.zebedeelist.co.uk/stolen/g-bxfz.jpg)
Doesn't look like an Elite. ;D ;D
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No but you can test the gas. The easiest way is to do the same as they do to the gas supplied from the mains system in that they add odour to the gas so that you know it is there if a leak occurs but it can still be smelt at the exhaust of a boiler.
It is all accademic anyway, if you want to drive you will pay for the pleasure, just be thankfull that performance/big engines have a reasonable MPG capability.
Steve
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Of course you could all give up your gas guzzlers and get Smart cars or similar!!
There was a potentially interesting programme on TV last night about congestion on roads etc. They made the point that pricing wasn't a bad thing so long as the government DIDN'T use it as a method of extracting more tax. They briefly showed the model they used to calculate the guinea pigs weekly charges for the programme. It was based on the government version. Interestingly even rural roads were charged at 0.5 p a mile!!
It is coming to Manchester in return for government money to fund the trams/metro.
One other thought, how long before LPG price starts to creep up??!!
varche
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so long as the government DIDN'T use it as a method of extracting more tax
There's the catch. The government need to raise more tax. They can't justify a blatant tax rise because they're not achieving anything with the money so they can't resist the urge to incorporate a little tax hike in everything they meddle with. >:(
Fuel duty is a pretty reasonable tax on vehicle usage. It's easy to enforce, difficult to circumvent and is directly based on choice of vehicle and usage of that vehicle.
Road pricing is a gimmick someone has sold the government with all sorts of promises attached. The fact is, deploying it nationwide would require a large IT system to be commissioned by the government. We know where that'll end. An expensive disaster.
If a city gets a spangly new public transport system that works, congestion charging can be used to locally apply a loading to vehicle use as it does in London, although in practice a decent public transport system will sell itself - not that we've ever seen one in this country.
Of course you could all give up your gas guzzlers and get Smart cars or similar!!
You'd see me driving around on my dad's sit-on mower before I get behind the wheel of a Smart.
Kevin
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Of course you could all give up your gas guzzlers and get Smart cars or similar!!
You'd see me driving around on my dad's sit-on mower before I get behind the wheel of a Smart.
Kevin
Depends on the mower!
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Depends on the mower!
Well, it's got about 8hp IIRC, so about the same as a Smart. The transmission shifts a lot easier. You just have to stop and graunch it into the next gear. Sounds a bit more like it's got a real engine under the bonnet too, not a sewing machine.
It's a slightly more "al fresco" driving experience, but I'm used to that.
;D
Kevin
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We don't know how to protest properly in this country.
We are all guilty of being a bunch of wusses.
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We don't know how to protest properly in this country.
We are all guilty of being a bunch of wusses.
Agreed, you wuss! ;D