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Title: Problems!!!
Post by: jamescropley on 14 February 2009, 10:14:02
Hi all

Ive just put 5 litres of oil in my car, as the dipstick was showing only 1 bar so was pretty low. Put the oil in and took it onto the A1, where i put my foot down. Thick smoke has started coming out of the exhuast and the car is pulling when driving at high revs, like its spluttering. Does anyone have any ideas? The car was working perfectly until i did this!! I noticed alot of mayo under the cap and along the pipe but no oil in the water bottle. Please help, i want to go out!

Thanks
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: TheBoy on 14 February 2009, 10:18:07
You put 5l in on top of what was already in there :o

Please say this is not the case...
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Elite Pete on 14 February 2009, 10:18:54
The car only takes 5.75 litres from empty so you've probably put to much in. Stop the car and leave it for an hour then check the dipstick. You will have to take some oil out.
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jamescropley on 14 February 2009, 10:19:19
Yip, it was only showing one bar on the dipstick so i thought it pretty low. Ive done this in a few cars and never had the problem before. I dont like whats coming next.....
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jamescropley on 14 February 2009, 10:21:29
How do i take the oil out? Under the sump?
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: TheBoy on 14 February 2009, 10:23:22
Before using it again, do a full oil and filter change.  You have far too much oil in there.

Hopefully you have not damaged seals or mechanical components.

Be aware when you drop the oil (from the sump plug), you need a large container, as I reckon you'll have 9l coming out...
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jamescropley on 14 February 2009, 10:24:58
Is there a reason for why its non responsive at high revs? What could the oil have done. I thought it was supposed to make it better  :(
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: TheBoy on 14 February 2009, 10:28:37
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Is there a reason for why its non responsive at high revs? What could the oil have done. I thought it was supposed to make it better  :(
ITS GOT TOO MUCH rather OIL IN!
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Elite Pete on 14 February 2009, 10:29:07
Having too much oil can be as bad as having too little oil. When checking the oil level next time, take your time, make sure the car is on level ground and add a bit at a time and check the level weekly that way it shouldn't get so low.

Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Elite Pete on 14 February 2009, 10:30:59
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How do i take the oil out? Under the sump?
There's a plug in the bottom of the sump. you need to remove it but get a new O ring before you take it out, and don't over tighten it when you put it back.
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jamescropley on 14 February 2009, 10:31:26
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Is there a reason for why its non responsive at high revs? What could the oil have done. I thought it was supposed to make it better  :(
ITS GOT TOO MUCH rather OIL IN!

Well yeh i kinda guess that. I was looking for a helpful answer tbh. Like why having too much oil makes the car non responsive.
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jamescropley on 14 February 2009, 10:32:14
Im guessing an easier way to get it out is leave the cap off and start her up lol
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: TheBoy on 14 February 2009, 10:34:41
As there is too much oil in, as the piston comes down, its hitting the oil (which it cant compress), and oil is forced passed the piston seals, hence the exhaust smoke.

At higher revs, it can't force the oil out quick enough - you're trying to rip the piston off the conrod.  Worse case - breaked engine. Best case - expensive repair.

I cannot stress enough - DO NOT USE THE CAR until you have the correct oil level.
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Elite Pete on 14 February 2009, 10:39:38
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Im guessing an easier way to get it out is leave the cap off and start her up lol
Is this a wind up?
No, you will need to drain by the drain plug in in sump.
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Andy B on 14 February 2009, 10:44:23
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Im guessing an easier way to get it out is leave the cap off and start her up lol
Is this a wind up?
No, you will need to drain by the drain plug in in sump.

Or the set-up that sucks the oil from the dipstick tube  :y
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Elite Pete on 14 February 2009, 10:46:36
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Im guessing an easier way to get it out is leave the cap off and start her up lol
Is this a wind up?
No, you will need to drain by the drain plug in in sump.

Or the set-up that sucks the oil from the dipstick tube  :y
Oh god, don't complicate things ::)
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Andy B on 14 February 2009, 10:48:17
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Im guessing an easier way to get it out is leave the cap off and start her up lol
Is this a wind up?
No, you will need to drain by the drain plug in in sump.

Or the set-up that sucks the oil from the dipstick tube  :y
Oh god, don't complicate things ::)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jonathanh on 14 February 2009, 11:39:54
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As there is too much oil in, as the piston comes down, its hitting the oil (which it cant compress), and oil is forced passed the piston seals, hence the exhaust smoke.

At higher revs, it can't force the oil out quick enough - you're trying to rip the piston off the conrod.  Worse case - breaked engine. Best case - expensive repair.

I cannot stress enough - DO NOT USE THE CAR until you have the correct oil level.

exactly as TB says!  think of it this way.  You've just had an enormous curry and 5 pints of larger.  on the way home you think having a large portion of fish and chips is also a good idea so you do that as well...  now your mates challenge you to a 5 mile run.  Guess what, your gonna rupture something or spill your guts somewhere.  Pretty much that is what you are doing to your car.  

Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: dbug on 14 February 2009, 17:46:36
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Im guessing an easier way to get it out is leave the cap off and start her up lol
Is this a wind up?
No, you will need to drain by the drain plug in in sump.

Can't you suck it out the dipstick tube with a straw? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 14 February 2009, 17:53:33
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As there is too much oil in, as the piston comes down, its hitting the oil (which it cant compress), and oil is forced passed the piston seals, hence the exhaust smoke.

At higher revs, it can't force the oil out quick enough - you're trying to rip the piston off the conrod.  Worse case - breaked engine. Best case - expensive repair.

I cannot stress enough - DO NOT USE THE CAR until you have the correct oil level.

exactly as TB says!  think of it this way.  You've just had an enormous curry and 5 pints of larger.  on the way home you think having a large portion of fish and chips is also a good idea so you do that as well...  now your mates challenge you to a 5 mile run.  Guess what, your gonna rupture something or spill your guts somewhere.  Pretty much that is what you are doing to your car.  


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jamescropley on 14 February 2009, 17:57:35
Sorted. Managed to get the oil out from the sump. I guess lesson learnt, I'll know not to do it again  :P
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jonathanh on 15 February 2009, 09:07:06
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Sorted. Managed to get the oil out from the sump. I guess lesson learnt, I'll know not to do it again  :P

when you say you managed to get the oil from the sump, exactly what have you done?  have you drained it out completely AND refilled with 5.75 litres?
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: feeutfo on 15 February 2009, 09:23:51
how much oil to add from the bottom mark on the dip stick to the top mark? About a litre?

As said, exactly whats been done to get the level correct?
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: Welung666 on 15 February 2009, 09:31:42
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how much oil to add from the bottom mark on the dip stick to the top mark? About a litre?

As said, exactly whats been done to get the level correct?

I was taught it was a pint between the marks, but that was on the older BMC setup.
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: feeutfo on 15 February 2009, 09:48:11
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how much oil to add from the bottom mark on the dip stick to the top mark? About a litre?

As said, exactly whats been done to get the level correct?

I was taught it was a pint between the marks, but that was on the older BMC setup.

Dont think one mark equals one pint/litre on the omega.

Wonder if its got any oil in it at all now?

Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: tunnie on 15 February 2009, 09:53:58
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Sorted. Managed to get the oil out from the sump. I guess lesson learnt, I'll know not to do it again  :P

So how much is there now? did you not think to check the level as you filled up? rather than chucking 5L in one go?

Its only 1 litre from the bottom of the dipstick to the top!
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: TheBoy on 15 February 2009, 12:10:56
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how much oil to add from the bottom mark on the dip stick to the top mark? About a litre?

As said, exactly whats been done to get the level correct?

I was taught it was a pint between the marks, but that was on the older BMC setup.

Dont think one mark equals one pint/litre on the omega.

Wonder if its got any oil in it at all now?

on petrols, its 1l between max and min on dipstick
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: jamescropley on 16 February 2009, 10:54:23
Emptied the whole lot and refilled with more oil, its about halfway on the dipstick. Changed the oil filter too. Doesnt seem to be any problems as its driving well but will keep my eye out just incase. Should've really checked how much oil it held befor filling but ho hum...
Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: feeutfo on 16 February 2009, 11:02:48
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Emptied the whole lot and refilled with more oil, its about halfway on the dipstick. Changed the oil filter too. Doesnt seem to be any problems as its driving well but will keep my eye out just incase. Should've really checked how much oil it held befor filling but ho hum...

What model do you have? Gls, cdx, elite? Do all models have check controle? I would have thought the oil level warning would have flashed up at some point during all this?

Or is it sacred to come on now? :-)

Title: Re: Problems!!!
Post by: TheBoy on 16 February 2009, 12:05:19
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Emptied the whole lot and refilled with more oil, its about halfway on the dipstick. Changed the oil filter too. Doesnt seem to be any problems as its driving well but will keep my eye out just incase. Should've really checked how much oil it held befor filling but ho hum...
Keep a very regular (daily) eye on the oil level for a few days before returning to the standard weekly check.

We all make mistakes, hopefully we learn from them :)