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Title: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Rob James on 16 December 2008, 21:39:25
Hi,

For some reason I get vibration at just over 70mph, and it gets worse as you go faster (I've not tried above 85 though). I also get some, but not always, when braking. When braking it is mainly through the steering wheel, but when cruising then there is some through the steering wheel but also through the seat.

I've had the wheels re-balanced with no effect.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Rob.
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: hotel21 on 16 December 2008, 21:45:28
If the wheels atre 100% true then next port of call is the discs, followed by the wheel bearings.

Bearings can be eliminated by checking...

Jack up car, grab wheel at 3/9 o'clock and feel for free movement.  Repeat holding at 12/6 position and remember how much movement you got.  Repeat with someone depressing the footbrake.  If movement goes when brake depressed, blame the bearing.  If the same, would need to look elsewhere - but you have a start point!!
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Rob James on 16 December 2008, 21:48:30
Cheers. I'll have ago at that later in the week.

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If the wheels atre 100% true then next port of call is the discs, followed by the wheel bearings.

Bearings can be eliminated by checking...

Jack up car, grab wheel at 3/9 o'clock and feel for free movement.  Repeat holding at 12/6 position and remember how much movement you got.  Repeat with someone depressing the footbrake.  If movement goes when brake depressed, blame the bearing.  If the same, would need to look elsewhere - but you have a start point!!
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: ngrainqey on 16 December 2008, 21:51:38
i found when i had my buckled mv6 wheel on the front it would vibrate the steering wheel when coming out of corners and around 50mph even when it'd been balanced so it went on the back till i started stripping the old barge :P
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Rob James on 16 December 2008, 21:54:19
I have also bent an MV6 wheel and thought that was the cause of the vibration. I now have a set of elite wheels and still have the problem!

I have 2 good MV6 wheels going now if anyone wants to buy them (did have a 3rd, but have a buyer for that already).

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i found when i had my buckled mv6 wheel on the front it would vibrate the steering wheel when coming out of corners and around 50mph even when it'd been balanced so it went n the back till i started stripping the old barge :P
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: ngrainqey on 16 December 2008, 22:00:48
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I have also bent an MV6 wheel and thought that was the cause of the vibration. I now have a set of elite wheels and still have the problem!

I have 2 good MV6 wheels going now if anyone wants to buy them (did have a 3rd, but have a buyer for that already).

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i found when i had my buckled mv6 wheel on the front it would vibrate the steering wheel when coming out of corners and around 50mph even when it'd been balanced so it went n the back till i started stripping the old barge :P

it's not a worn bottom arm bush is it?
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: damon80 on 16 December 2008, 22:07:41
I've also noticed a similar kind of thing with my Miggy, but doesn't change when braking.  Only happens above 65mph, and doesn't feel like wheels out of balance.

Could it be propshaft throwing a balancing weight off or something?  :-/
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: hotel21 on 16 December 2008, 22:26:59
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I've also noticed a similar kind of thing with my Miggy, but doesn't change when braking.  Only happens above 65mph, and doesn't feel like wheels out of balance.

Could it be propshaft throwing a balancing weight off or something?  :-/

Test described for wheel bearing is car stationary and suspect corner jacked up, not being driven....
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: damon80 on 16 December 2008, 22:32:26
There's no whining or anything, which has thrown me a bit - when I've needed wheelbearings before, there's normally been a whining noise.  Which is what got me thinking along the lines of propshaft being out of balance  :-/  
Or am I barking up the wrong tree - it wouldn't be the first time H21!  :-[
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Pete Elite on 17 December 2008, 00:06:22
 I would be inclined to think front suspension, shocks, broken springs top mounts or even worn prop bushes as you say you've had wheels balanced and i take it there wasn't an inaudenent amount amount of weights fitted and it doesn't do it whilst braking:).
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: feeutfo on 17 December 2008, 08:44:00
where the wheels balanced on a 5 stud balancer?thats what cured mine. Does not explane the break issue though.
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Rob James on 17 December 2008, 09:15:47
I've no idea, but I guess not as I don't think they are very common. I'm going to check the bearings and disks first. It started without me changing the tyres so it is more likely to be something other than the wheels - I initially thought it was the wheels when I discovered one of them was bent but that is now ruled out as I have new wheels with no change to the problem.

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where the wheels balanced on a 5 stud balancer?thats what cured mine. Does not explane the break issue though.
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Cliffo B on 17 December 2008, 09:39:37
Clue could be in bent wheel.What bent it?Could be damaged hub or drive shaft.
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 December 2008, 10:22:41
Because the prop shaft rotates much faster than the wheels any vibration is normally felt at a much lower speed - 30 or 40 MPH IME. For this reason I doubt this is a propshaft issue.

Kevin
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: feeutfo on 17 December 2008, 10:46:08
wondering if there are 2 seperate issues with this, somethin is not of true obviously, to cause the vibration, but the intermittant break wobble im wondering might be wishbone bush slop? Worth checking while you have it jacked maybe..?
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Rob James on 17 December 2008, 10:48:40
I don't know what bent it. It was found in the MOT. At that point I hadn't started looking into what was causing the vibration. But yes I guess something else may have been damaged.

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Clue could be in bent wheel.What bent it?Could be damaged hub or drive shaft.
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: Rob James on 17 December 2008, 10:52:51
My list of things to check is growing. Anything else worth looking at while I'm at it? I may as well check everything in one go. I think a trip to the father in law is required as I don't really have a clue what I'm doing (but want to learn)!
 
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wondering if there are 2 seperate issues with this, somethin is not of true obviously, to cause the vibration, but the intermittant break wobble im wondering might be wishbone bush slop? Worth checking while you have it jacked maybe..?
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: raywilb on 16 February 2009, 17:56:46
had the same prob once ,spent a small fortune on bearings ,wheel alignment etc , a £10 bush on the rear suspension solved it
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: VX1 on 16 February 2009, 18:38:20
I had the same problem here at the same speeds, I replaced the front discs, wheel bearings, calipers had the tracking done, had the wheels balanced three times as well. Guess what it was in the end?










Rear offside tyre bald on the inside wall. New tyre and three other wheels balanced with 5 stud balancer and no more vibration.

Paul  :y
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: PaulW on 16 February 2009, 21:42:59
Had this on my old GLS, ended up being play on one of the shafts due to a dodgy diff :)
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: omega6 on 17 February 2009, 15:53:15
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Hi,

For some reason I get vibration at just over 70mph, and it gets worse as you go faster (I've not tried above 85 though). I also get some, but not always, when braking. When braking it is mainly through the steering wheel, but when cruising then there is some through the steering wheel but also through the seat.

I've had the wheels re-balanced with no effect.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Rob.

your rear tyres are distorted, or oval shaped invest in new tyres not part worns :-X
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: raywilb on 17 February 2009, 18:26:12
i had the same described problem a while ago ,went through wheel alignment , changed complete n/s front sus wheel bearing etc ( on the advice of my local repair shop) . it never cured the problem . it turned out to be a bush on the rear suspension costing £ 10 . Worth a check :D
Title: Re: Vibration at 70mph and above
Post by: feeutfo on 17 February 2009, 19:20:24
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i had the same described problem a while ago ,went through wheel alignment , changed complete n/s front sus wheel bearing etc ( on the advice of my local repair shop) . it never cured the problem . it turned out to be a bush on the rear suspension costing £ 10 . Worth a check :D
Do you know which bush exactly?