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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Debs. on 24 February 2009, 14:24:19
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Debs` `99 2.5 V6 'Pup-Mobile' was (most-unusually) reluctant to start this morning; it seemed to be "fighting the starter" and required frantic efforts to catch the 'firing' with my throttle foot....a symptom I know-well, as I had the same problem in my previous Miggy (a 2 Ltr. 16v) when the cam sensor failed.
I haven`t had time to break out the paperclip yet, but I`m assuming that when I do, it`s going to reveal a crank or cam sensor failure.....I am wondering if it is better to change them-both at once?
......and (approx.) how much would the two sensors cost, bought on a trade-club [size=9](that is; if I can persuade a kindly, 'nearby' OOF`er to let me use their T.C card.)[/size] ::)
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Cam sensor, about £60 inc. vat. :'(
Crank sensor, about £70 inc. vat. early models, about £50 inc. vat. later models :'( All TC prices.
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Your welcome to my card, can either buy and post, or can meet up.
Can also use my diag tool if you want a play ;)
I wouldnt bother replacing sensors which aren't reporting a fault, could just be introducing more unknowns.
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Cam sensor, about £60 inc. vat. :'(
Crank sensor, about £70 inc. vat. early models, about £50 inc. vat. later models :'( All TC prices.
Yikes! :o
.....but, still-better than being off the road! ;)
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Your welcome to my card, can either buy and post, or can meet up.
Can also use my diag tool if you want a play ;)
I wouldnt bother replacing sensors which aren't reporting a fault, could just be introducing more unknowns.
:y Thanks so much for the kind offer Jimbob, that`d be so much appreciated; I`ll have a bit more time tomorrow so will break-out the 'paperclip' to see what`s what; then take it from there.....we`re long overdue a meet-up for a cup o`tea aren`t we? ;)
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Your welcome to my card, can either buy and post, or can meet up.
Can also use my diag tool if you want a play ;)
I wouldnt bother replacing sensors which aren't reporting a fault, could just be introducing more unknowns.
:y Thanks so much for the kind offer Jimbob, that`d be so much appreciated; I`ll have a bit more time tomorrow so will break-out the 'paperclip' to see what`s what; then take it from there.....we`re long overdue a meet-up for a cup o`tea aren`t we? ;)
Definately, think about you every time we pass your 'area' thinking really should meet up. :y
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If it's a square plugged, metal bodied crank sensor (the more expensive one) I have one I purchased in error you can have for £55 :y :y :y
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V6 cam sensor failure.....only seen them broken by the hand fisted amongst us.
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As MDTM says, V6 cam sensors never fail.
Not convinced its crank sensor either, though I'm sure the paperclip will prove me wrong ;D
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Cam sensor, about £60 inc. vat. :'(
Crank sensor, about £70 inc. vat. early models, about £50 inc. vat. later models :'( All TC prices.
i paid £56 for my crank sensor last march. from dealer no tc. :y
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Cheap type is £35 ish, more expensive £50 ish, ex vat, TC price (which I think is just trade price)
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bugger, all gone up....
2.0 8v 90493864 £55.50 £49.96 £43.04
2.0 16v to 14194716 90458251 £55.50 £49.96 £43.04
2.0 16v from 14194717/31000001 9174621 £33.60 £30.29 £25.96
2.5 (early models) 90492006 £76.50 £68.85 £59.23
2.5 (later models) 90492061 £55.50 £49.96 £43.04
2.6/3.0/3.2 90540743 £49.70 £44.78 £38.38
2.0DTi/2.2DTi 90540188 £35.65 £32.09 £26.73
U25TD/X25TD 90487810 £80.00 £72.00 £61.97
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Debs yours is likely to be oval plug, plastic end near oil filter - on TC I paid £42.80 + VAT recently for mine. Hope that helps - part nş is 90492061
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Debs` `99 2.5 V6 'Pup-Mobile' was (most-unusually) reluctant to start this morning; it seemed to be "fighting the starter" and required frantic efforts to catch the 'firing' with my throttle foot....a symptom I know-well, as I had the same problem in my previous Miggy (a 2 Ltr. 16v) when the cam sensor failed.
I haven`t had time to break out the paperclip yet, but I`m assuming that when I do, it`s going to reveal a crank or cam sensor failure.....I am wondering if it is better to change them-both at once?
......and (approx.) how much would the two sensors cost, bought on a trade-club [size=9](that is; if I can persuade a kindly, 'nearby' OOF`er to let me use their T.C card.)[/size] ::)
yep..no headache after :y
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Did you manage to check for codes?
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Did you manage to check for codes?
First thing tomorrow Jimbob :y
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Had a good read of the appropriate OOF maintenance guide and Tried to 'paperclip' the "pup-mobile" today; but no amount of bridging pins would provoke a flash code. :-/
I`m guessing there might be a wire loose/disconnected somewhere(?)....I`ll have a deeper 'poke around' behind the fuse/socket panel on Sunday; when I have more free-time.
The engine started just-fine today; no hint of the previous recalcitrance. :-?
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I have a 'proper' code reader if you want to try that instead?
your EML does come on (and go off) when you start the car I take it?
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I have a 'proper' code reader if you want to try that instead?
your EML does come on (and go off) when you start the car I take it?
Yes, the EML cycles at start-up.....I`ll have a poke-about first and see if there are loose wires/contacts at the diagnostic socket and report back......thanks Jimbob :y
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Just to update the topic:
I eventually was able get the codes: there were the 'usual suspects', but the major one was '19' (that`s "N-N-N-N-Nineteen" a`la Paul Hardcastle) ;D
When I had a 'root about' near the crankshaft-sensor itself, the cable`s aluminium wrapping and the insulation was crumbling apart in my hands....I have soldered-in a temporary replacement cable (and the engine now starts and runs ok) but I doubt if the repair has the long-term integrity of a 'real' part; so, when finances permit (next month), I`ll be getting a genuine Vx sensor and swapping it for the pro-tem (Deb-bodged) one. :y
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Glad you got it sorted :y
Let me know if you want me to pick you one up when you are ready :y
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Curious Ive raised the question elsewhere on oof is it poss to work out whether early or late modek crank sensor to buy,on the engine No.was advised to remove original from engine to check.
car is 2.5 /2000 v reg face lift.