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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Burtle on 23 February 2009, 19:00:26
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As some of you may remember I was looking for a 3L v6 with manual R28 box to stick in a Reliant Scimitar SE6a.
Well I now have sat on my drive a 1998 ex-police white omega estate 3L V6 manual. It runs lovely, but failed the MOT on breaks and shock absorbers. The body is also starting to get rusty, especially the doors and rear wheel arches.
I will be removing the engine from this car and all associated parts and transplanting them into the scimitar (the rest of the omega is available if anyone wants parts). More than likely this will create a raft of fault codes until everything is settled and sorted.
So my question is, does any one have one of these, do they work for reading fault codes, and more importantly can I reset the fault codes with it?
(http://www.arcadia-in-car.net/images/BOX.jpg)
This one is £29.95, is that an average price for one of these?
I assume all this device does is convert USB to serial and then to VPW?
So in theory I can write my own software front end to give me the control over the ECU that I'm after? I write software to control RS232 comms regularly using a piece of software called LabView, so this should be fairly straight forward.
Do GM use standard P-codes (PIDs) on the Omega?
So many questions....
Cheers Folks
Nath
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The usb to serial adapter is nothing but hassle.
The comms protocol is non standard (in pc terms) so all comms has to be done by software timing on the individual serial port pins. Windows gets in the way a bit, but adding layers via usb-serial adpaters is often a bridge too far. Sadly, not just a case of firing stuff off to serial using std api calls.
for v6, 2.5 and 3.0 use a 2 digit codes, though these are reasonably standard and well documented. 2.6 and 3.2 are std OBDII P codes.
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I bought one of these off flea-bay and the supplied software doesn't work. I've tried a couple of different programs without success. If anyone has software that works could they e-mail it to me?
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Ok, put another way, whats the cheapset device to reset fault codes?
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Ok, put another way, whats the cheapset device to reset fault codes?
a serial version of one of those, if you have serial port on lappy
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I have got a serial port so thats perfect then. One serial version it is then.
Cheers mate :y
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I bought one of these off flea-bay and the supplied software doesn't work. I've tried a couple of different programs without success. If anyone has software that works could they e-mail it to me?
http://www.vezerdiagnosztika.hu/index_demo.html
that is the demo version of "My Naff Code Reader", best software I have found to work with the cheap devices.
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I bought one of these off flea-bay and the supplied software doesn't work. I've tried a couple of different programs without success. If anyone has software that works could they e-mail it to me?
http://www.vezerdiagnosztika.hu/index_demo.html
that is the demo version of "My Naff Code Reader", best software I have found to work with the cheap devices.
Does that work with the ELM327 boxes do you know JB?
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I bought one of these off flea-bay and the supplied software doesn't work. I've tried a couple of different programs without success. If anyone has software that works could they e-mail it to me?
http://www.vezerdiagnosztika.hu/index_demo.html
that is the demo version of "My Naff Code Reader", best software I have found to work with the cheap devices.
Does that work with the ELM327 boxes do you know JB?
Think they are more advanced devices, so maybe not, easy enough to find out though ;)
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I have a couple of these devices as well but one is a seiral port and one is a usb port, I do have a seiral card to use but again it dosen't work with it. Is there anything I can do to make either of these work? Bearing in mind not much known about computers for this type of thing. If not then I have two that I will sell to someone that can get them sorted.
Paul :y
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I have a couple of these devices as well but one is a seiral port and one is a usb port, I do have a seiral card to use but again it dosen't work with it. Is there anything I can do to make either of these work? Bearing in mind not much known about computers for this type of thing. If not then I have two that I will sell to someone that can get them sorted.
Paul :y
the com port, or usb imitation com port HAS to be COM1, or you have no chance.
After that a reasonable specced pc must be used.
I have had no success on old 500mhz pc's, but success on 1.1 ghz with 512mb memorry, so min spec somewhere between those.
Other than that, not much you can do.
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I have a couple of these devices as well but one is a seiral port and one is a usb port, I do have a seiral card to use but again it dosen't work with it. Is there anything I can do to make either of these work? Bearing in mind not much known about computers for this type of thing. If not then I have two that I will sell to someone that can get them sorted.
Paul :y
the com port, or usb imitation com port HAS to be COM1, or you have no chance.
After that a reasonable specced pc must be used.
I have had no success on old 500mhz pc's, but success on 1.1 ghz with 512mb memorry, so min spec somewhere between those.
Other than that, not much you can do.
I have had them both on COM1 but still doesn't respond to it, it tries to do a check but nothing just seems as if they are not connected. I have had them both tested to see if the fault lies with the tech 2's but they work fine, must be my laptop, got it last year August time so it's an uptodate one but still they both don't work.
One tech 2 is the ELM327 one and the other is the opel-scanner. So if I can't get them to work then they are up for sale.
Opel scanner cost me £75
ELM327 cost me £45
Paul :y
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Paul,
I have an ELM327 (as above) - came from Amazon. Took a bit of time to install - there was a driver file it wanted but couldn't find on the cd that came with it.
But I think these (OBDII) devices only work with the drive by wire cars, so probably wouldn't work with a 3.0.
Also - and this is probably obvious in hindsight - it needed to be plugged in to both laptop and car in order to show signs of life (I think the vehicle end of it gets its power from the car rather than the PC.
Cheers
Ian
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The ELM327 based cables will only talk to later drive by wire Omegas (2.2/2.6/3.2). They are very much more reliable, though.
Kevin
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OK, looks like I have two for sale then.
Any offers? within reason.
Paul :y
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So am I correct in assuming that the serial version of what I originally posted (tech2) will work on a 3.0 from 1998? At less than £30 it's not a big deal if it doesn't but I'd like some cheap control over it all for both reading and reseting.
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So am I correct in assuming that the serial version of what I originally posted (tech2) will work on a 3.0 from 1998? At less than £30 it's not a big deal if it doesn't but I'd like some cheap control over it all for both reading and reseting.
Yes it should, and the link I posted further down will likely be better than what comes with it.
these devices are a bit tempremental though, so no guarantees
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bought an "My Naff Code Reader"
everything works as it should including keys and gearbox codes :y
Above post heavily modified by TheBoy - sorry, no discussion of how/where to obtain illegal software
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erm, you may want to remove that link, tis copyrighted software, and a bit naughty ;)
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I have a couple of these devices as well but one is a seiral port and one is a usb port, I do have a seiral card to use but again it dosen't work with it. Is there anything I can do to make either of these work? Bearing in mind not much known about computers for this type of thing. If not then I have two that I will sell to someone that can get them sorted.
Paul :y
The com port needs to be a proper, real, unfettled 16550 chip, with no gay usb/pci/pcmcia converters in front of it to stand any chance of reliability.
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I think the problem maybe that they are both OBDII devices and Paul's car is not DBW.
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I think the problem maybe that they are both OBDII devices and Paul's car is not DBW.
I took his post to be cheapo tech2, not ELM based??
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I was indeed asking about tech2 not elm as I have a 3.0 V6 which I believe the elm is not compatible with
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sorry crossed conversations TB -i was responding ref Paul's (Vx1's) problems with his tech2's.
Is there a reliable Tech2 a-like available for use with non OBDII cars?
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sorry crossed conversations TB -i was responding ref Paul's (Vx1's) problems with his tech2's.
Is there a reliable Tech2 a-like available for use with non OBDII cars?
I was referring to VX1's devices, thought they were cheapo tech2
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sorry crossed conversations TB -i was responding ref Paul's (Vx1's) problems with his tech2's.
Is there a reliable Tech2 a-like available for use with non OBDII cars?
not for sensible money...
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sorry crossed conversations TB -i was responding ref Paul's (Vx1's) problems with his tech2's.
Is there a reliable Tech2 a-like available for use with non OBDII cars?
I was referring to VX1's devices, thought they were cheapo tech2
I think they are both OBDII - not sure if that qualifies as 'cheapo tech2' but I am next to certain they won't work on Paul's car.
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I've just read this thread and lost rack of everything tbh.
I want a version of Tech Two which will tell me which air-bag is causing my warning light to come on and tell me which of my wishbone sensors is oppsed. Its a 99 pre-facelift 2.5TD
Cheers
Matt
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I've just read this thread and lost rack of everything tbh.
I want a version of Tech Two which will tell me which air-bag is causing my warning light to come on and tell me which of my wishbone sensors is crappity smacked. Its a 99 pre-facelift 2.5TD
Cheers
Matt
If you have a proper COM port on your laptop (not USB to serial adapters), then cheapo Tech2. Note that the cheapo Tech2 cannot talk to the 2.5TD engine though.
Failing that, around £400-£600 for the "My Naff Code Reader" type stuff is the next step up.
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Bit more progress on this. I was lent a cheapo hungarian version of this, but with the proper serial adaptior. I've downloaded the demo version mentioned earlier as the software that came with it was useless but it still wont talk to the car. It keeps saying there is no echo.
Its a 2.5TD 1999 T-reg.
Any ideas?
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Bit more progress on this. I was lent a cheapo hungarian version of this, but with the proper serial adaptior. I've downloaded the demo version mentioned earlier as the software that came with it was useless but it still wont talk to the car. It keeps saying there is no echo.
Its a 2.5TD 1999 T-reg.
Any ideas?
propper serial adaptor? do you mean usb-serial?
if so force it to COM1, and hope, if that doesnt work, its unlucky :'(
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propper serial adaptor
Nope i mean serial port on the back of the laptop, not a usb in site. Laptop is running windows 2000, but has plenty of space and a decent processor.
Its on COM1
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not much hope then im afraid :'(
these are flaky at the best of times, doesnt take much to put them off.
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Bit more progress on this. I was lent a cheapo hungarian version of this, but with the proper serial adaptior. I've downloaded the demo version mentioned earlier as the software that came with it was useless but it still wont talk to the car. It keeps saying there is no echo.
Its a 2.5TD 1999 T-reg.
Any ideas?
Sorry, no chance of getting that working on cheapo tech2 :'(
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Ok, put another way, whats the cheapset device to reset fault codes?
I bought a Maxscan u380 for £16 plus a fiver postage off of ebay and it worked a treat whilst I had my 0170 and 0173 problem
Its a simple plug and play reader/resetter but it was all i needed
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Ok, put another way, whats the cheapset device to reset fault codes?
I bought a Maxscan u380 for £16 plus a fiver postage off of ebay and it worked a treat whilst I had my 0170 and 0173 problem
Its a simple plug and play reader/resetter but it was all i needed
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obdII only, so only for 2.2/2.6/3.2 engines
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Bit more progress on this. I was lent a cheapo hungarian version of this, but with the proper serial adaptior. I've downloaded the demo version mentioned earlier as the software that came with it was useless but it still wont talk to the car. It keeps saying there is no echo.
Its a 2.5TD 1999 T-reg.
Any ideas?
Sorry, no chance of getting that working on cheapo tech2 :'(
Agreed! Mine wouldn't even begin to talk to a 2.5TD
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I have a couple of these devices as well but one is a seiral port and one is a usb port, I do have a seiral card to use but again it dosen't work with it. Is there anything I can do to make either of these work? Bearing in mind not much known about computers for this type of thing. If not then I have two that I will sell to someone that can get them sorted.
Paul :y
the com port, or usb imitation com port HAS to be COM1, or you have no chance.
After that a reasonable specced pc must be used.
I have had no success on old 500mhz pc's, but success on 1.1 ghz with 512mb memorry, so min spec somewhere between those.
Other than that, not much you can do.
Runs ok on my old 800 Celeron lappy using COM1. Tried it with my mates 400 Celeron lappy (256Mb RAM) using COM2 (COM1 assigned to internal modem) - again worked OK .
Use the demo program as shown above or the software link in my previous post on this topic - http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1228522550/8 - both connect and work ok.
Got my cheapo Tech2 off ebay for £17
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I have a couple of these devices as well but one is a seiral port and one is a usb port, I do have a seiral card to use but again it dosen't work with it. Is there anything I can do to make either of these work? Bearing in mind not much known about computers for this type of thing. If not then I have two that I will sell to someone that can get them sorted.
Paul :y
the com port, or usb imitation com port HAS to be COM1, or you have no chance.
After that a reasonable specced pc must be used.
I have had no success on old 500mhz pc's, but success on 1.1 ghz with 512mb memorry, so min spec somewhere between those.
Other than that, not much you can do.
Runs ok on my old 800 Celeron lappy using COM1. Tried it with my mates 400 Celeron lappy (256Mb RAM) using COM2 (COM1 assigned to internal modem) - again worked OK .
Use the demo program as shown above or the software link in my previous post on this topic - http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1228522550/8 - both connect and work ok.
Got my cheapo Tech2 off ebay for £17
Doesn't matter how good/suitable the lappy is, this software will not work on a 2.5TD - it doesn't have the code to support the protocols used.
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Doesn't matter how good/suitable the lappy is, this software will not work on a 2.5TD - it doesn't have the code to support the protocols used
Thanks for the replies, what software will talk to this car then?
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Doesn't matter how good/suitable the lappy is, this software will not work on a 2.5TD - it doesn't have the code to support the protocols used
Thanks for the replies, what software will talk to this car then?
nothing I know of thats low cost.
some of these are paperclippable though