Omega Owners Forum
Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: i260 on 12 June 2009, 08:10:24
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Where to folks get their chips / remaps from for the V6's?
What sort of claimed gains are expected?
What sort of price are we looking at?
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if you use a proper perfomance centre your looking around 250+ depening on what you have done i have a friend who has a mini 03 plate copper s and had it chipped remapped at gt tuning cost him 500 but puts out 251bhp at the wheels when on rolling road the lot but you can get chips off ebay weather they work i dont no some on here will point you in the right direction for that
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So a basic remap would give, what, +20 if you were lucky?
The Vectra GSi (2.5) had 195ish with the 3.0 inlet cams and an SBD remap.
Exhaust + a few more, maybe break the 200 mark?
Then you would have to be in the realms of head work, porting the manifolds and matching them to the heads, get a pair of tubular manifolds made up.
I really struggle to see 250+, it would have to be peaky on some aggressive cams surely? Not what you want with an auto! I can see 220 being attainable without stoopid money. DO you know what the spec was?
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So a basic remap would give, what, +20 if you were lucky?
The Vectra GSi (2.5) had 195ish with the 3.0 inlet cams and an SBD remap.
Exhaust + a few more, maybe break the 200 mark?
Then you would have to be in the realms of head work, porting the manifolds and matching them to the heads, get a pair of tubular manifolds made up.
I really struggle to see 250+, it would have to be peaky on some aggressive cams surely? Not what you want with an auto! I can see 220 being attainable without stoopid money. DO you know what the spec was?
sorry my mistake and poor spelling he drives a mini copper s forgot to mention he spent shedloads on new cams super chager bigger breaks not just an engine remap
its powerfull for a 1.6 a bit off track from the omega was just an example
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Chips and remaps have been discussed in general car chat, have alook here:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1244364324
Remap will give you around 13-15 bhp gain :y
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Not too much scope for what a chip can do on a NA engine.
On the Omega V6, expect around 5% ish. If anyone is getting 250 on a rolling road (without major engine work), I would suspect the rolling road is giving figures designed to 'please' the car owner ;)
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On the Omega V6, expect around 5% ish. If anyone is getting 250 on a rolling road (without major engine work), I would suspect the rolling road is giving figures designed to 'please' the car owner ;)
Or having a hairdryer pointed at the air temp sensor... >:(
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Not too much scope for what a chip can do on a NA engine.
On the Omega V6, expect around 5% ish. If anyone is getting 250 on a rolling road (without major engine work), I would suspect the rolling road is giving figures designed to 'please' the car owner ;)
Agreed, but there are the other usual fringe benefits of improved throttle response, removal of flat spots and improved mpg.
5% - I would settle for another 9bhp!! Should make the 200 attainable with a bit of breathing work.
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i notice you have a 2.6, you can't chip those, has to be re-map
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who does the remaps that get used by forum members?
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I thought he ment £250 not 250 bhp..... :-? :-?
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who does the remaps that get used by forum members?
I think there are as many preferred re-mappers as there are members of the forum - everyone has their own preference.
I had mine done by Courtenay - but that was because I could and had always wanted to take a Vaux I owned there - no more than that!
Plenty of people will let you know who they use and recommend them!
Good luck!
Matthew
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Not too much scope for what a chip can do on a NA engine.
On the Omega V6, expect around 5% ish. If anyone is getting 250 on a rolling road (without major engine work), I would suspect the rolling road is giving figures designed to 'please' the car owner ;)
Agreed, but there are the other usual fringe benefits of improved throttle response, removal of flat spots and improved mpg.
5% - I would settle for another 9bhp!! Should make the 200 attainable with a bit of breathing work.
throttle response and flat spots are not a problem for the V6 Omega with fully working multiram system, unlike, for eg, v6 vectra.
mpg, not really any difference that I could tell.
Main difference is a bit more power above 4k rpm
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who does the remaps that get used by forum members?
I think there are as many preferred re-mappers as there are members of the forum - everyone has their own preference.
I had mine done by Courtenay - but that was because I could and had always wanted to take a Vaux I owned there - no more than that!
Plenty of people will let you know who they use and recommend them!
Good luck!
Matthew
I hope you are happy :)
Not a company I would use, just purely looking at their product range shows to me they do not fully understand the car, thus will never get the best from it.
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who does the remaps that get used by forum members?
I think there are as many preferred re-mappers as there are members of the forum - everyone has their own preference.
I had mine done by Courtenay - but that was because I could and had always wanted to take a Vaux I owned there - no more than that!
Plenty of people will let you know who they use and recommend them!
Good luck!
Matthew
I hope you are happy :)
Not a company I would use, just purely looking at their product range shows to me they do not fully understand the car, thus will never get the best from it.
Interesting comment, one of the most respected VX tuning firms about! What about the V6 do you think that they don't understand?
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who does the remaps that get used by forum members?
I think there are as many preferred re-mappers as there are members of the forum - everyone has their own preference.
I had mine done by Courtenay - but that was because I could and had always wanted to take a Vaux I owned there - no more than that!
Plenty of people will let you know who they use and recommend them!
Good luck!
Matthew
I hope you are happy :)
Not a company I would use, just purely looking at their product range shows to me they do not fully understand the car, thus will never get the best from it.
Interesting comment, one of the most respected VX tuning firms about! What about the V6 do you think that they don't understand?
Oh, I don't think they understand injection/management principles, or the laws of physics, rather than specifically the GM V6 lump in particular.
Other than in Chav Power Today type mags, you're the first person to ever say Courtney and Respected in the same sentence :o
Lets take 2 of their products for the Omega....
Lightened flywheel (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=29). What exactly is that going to achieve on a heavy car like the Omega, except more vibration due to the lack of the dual mass?
4bar fuel pressure regulator (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=112). It will take the engine manament system fitted to Omega approximately 5s once it goes closed loop that it is overfuelling, thus adjusting short and then long term fuel trims right back to ensure the same amount of fuelling as before. So it will make a difference the first time you use the car after fitting, until it warms up.
Then I could rattle on about their air filters, which on the Omega, common consensus is that 'performance' actually reduce performance. And so on.
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who does the remaps that get used by forum members?
I think there are as many preferred re-mappers as there are members of the forum - everyone has their own preference.
I had mine done by Courtenay - but that was because I could and had always wanted to take a Vaux I owned there - no more than that!
Plenty of people will let you know who they use and recommend them!
Good luck!
Matthew
I hope you are happy :)
Not a company I would use, just purely looking at their product range shows to me they do not fully understand the car, thus will never get the best from it.
Interesting comment, one of the most respected VX tuning firms about! What about the V6 do you think that they don't understand?
Oh, I don't think they understand injection/management principles, or the laws of physics, rather than specifically the GM V6 lump in particular.
Other than in Chav Power Today type mags, you're the first person to ever say Courtney and Respected in the same sentence :o
Lets take 2 of their products for the Omega....
Lightened flywheel (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=29). What exactly is that going to achieve on a heavy car like the Omega, except more vibration due to the lack of the dual mass?
4bar fuel pressure regulator (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=112). It will take the engine manament system fitted to Omega approximately 5s once it goes closed loop that it is overfuelling, thus adjusting short and then long term fuel trims right back to ensure the same amount of fuelling as before. So it will make a difference the first time you use the car after fitting, until it warms up.
Then I could rattle on about their air filters, which on the Omega, common consensus is that 'performance' actually reduce performance. And so on.
I know it's rare TB, so mark it on the calendar ( :D )But we agree on this one.
I can't see that a lightened flywheel will make that much difference on what's otherwise a 1.7tonne barge
;D
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who does the remaps that get used by forum members?
I think there are as many preferred re-mappers as there are members of the forum - everyone has their own preference.
I had mine done by Courtenay - but that was because I could and had always wanted to take a Vaux I owned there - no more than that!
Plenty of people will let you know who they use and recommend them!
Good luck!
Matthew
I hope you are happy :)
Not a company I would use, just purely looking at their product range shows to me they do not fully understand the car, thus will never get the best from it.
Interesting comment, one of the most respected VX tuning firms about! What about the V6 do you think that they don't understand?
Oh, I don't think they understand injection/management principles, or the laws of physics, rather than specifically the GM V6 lump in particular.
Other than in Chav Power Today type mags, you're the first person to ever say Courtney and Respected in the same sentence :o
Lets take 2 of their products for the Omega....
Lightened flywheel (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=29). What exactly is that going to achieve on a heavy car like the Omega, except more vibration due to the lack of the dual mass?
4bar fuel pressure regulator (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=112). It will take the engine manament system fitted to Omega approximately 5s once it goes closed loop that it is overfuelling, thus adjusting short and then long term fuel trims right back to ensure the same amount of fuelling as before. So it will make a difference the first time you use the car after fitting, until it warms up.
Then I could rattle on about their air filters, which on the Omega, common consensus is that 'performance' actually reduce performance. And so on.
I know it's rare TB, so mark it on the calendar ( :D )But we agree on this one.
I can't see that a lightened flywheel will make that much difference on what's otherwise a 1.7tonne barge
;D
Lightened flywheels have a place in lightweight track cars, must definately, but as you say, in a 1.7 tonne car, about as much use as a used johnny smeared in dogshit.
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who does the remaps that get used by forum members?
I think there are as many preferred re-mappers as there are members of the forum - everyone has their own preference.
I had mine done by Courtenay - but that was because I could and had always wanted to take a Vaux I owned there - no more than that!
Plenty of people will let you know who they use and recommend them!
Good luck!
Matthew
I hope you are happy :)
Not a company I would use, just purely looking at their product range shows to me they do not fully understand the car, thus will never get the best from it.
Interesting comment, one of the most respected VX tuning firms about! What about the V6 do you think that they don't understand?
Oh, I don't think they understand injection/management principles, or the laws of physics, rather than specifically the GM V6 lump in particular.
Other than in Chav Power Today type mags, you're the first person to ever say Courtney and Respected in the same sentence :o
Lets take 2 of their products for the Omega....
Lightened flywheel (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=29). What exactly is that going to achieve on a heavy car like the Omega, except more vibration due to the lack of the dual mass?
4bar fuel pressure regulator (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=112). It will take the engine manament system fitted to Omega approximately 5s once it goes closed loop that it is overfuelling, thus adjusting short and then long term fuel trims right back to ensure the same amount of fuelling as before. So it will make a difference the first time you use the car after fitting, until it warms up.
Then I could rattle on about their air filters, which on the Omega, common consensus is that 'performance' actually reduce performance. And so on.
You seem to be forgetting that the V6 was also used in other applications. Remember the Cavalier and Calibra V6? That was where it all started, with morethanahandfulfindingtheirwayintoAstrasandCorsa's.
Lightenned flywheel in a Mig? Why would you want a manual Mig anyway?
The application have just evolved into being available for the Migas they were already there. Note that they dont do anything specifically for the 2.6/3.2. I checked when I was considering a Vectra GSi.
Also, they must be doing something right to have lasted so long.
Anyway, tuners is a personal thing. Yours is the first negative comment I have ever heard about them.
;)
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about as much use as a used johnny smeared in dogshit.
TB, BRILLIANT, most I've laughed all week ;D ;D :y
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a manual is for real drivers thats why you would want one :y
;D ;D
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...shifting just doesn't suit the Mig imho, sorry!
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...shifting just doesn't suit the Mig imho, sorry!
Have you ever driven a manual 3.2? ::)
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about as much use as a used johnny smeared in dogshit.
TB, BRILLIANT, most I've laughed all week ;D ;D :y
;D ;D ;D
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...shifting just doesn't suit the Mig imho, sorry!
Have you ever driven a manual 3.2? ::)
oh yes :D. i personally get on better with 3.0 manual though, can't say why :-/
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autos are for people who really deep down want manuals :y
;D
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...shifting just doesn't suit the Mig imho, sorry!
Manual suits me, my 3.0 MV6, my MPG and my pocket. On the subject of Chips currently running a Courtaney on mine, I would say a very slight improvement, but does give better MPG.
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Auto in the Mig, cruiser all the way.
Manual is for lighter cars and back lane thrashing!
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or ex-plod track toys :D
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or ex-plod track toys :D
coz they cant trust the plod with autos!
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There is a place in Bromsgrove who remap - may go there when I have got the car right.
I reckon 200bhp would be easy