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Title: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: swamp rat on 15 July 2009, 18:52:17
At the risk of being severely berated, opinions please on what the pedal trick actually works on. It's stated on here so many times that it does not work on a 2.2, but I know for a fact that it works on mine because I've done it. I was led to believe that it works on any engine with the drive by wire (throttle with no cable). Anybody going to back me up here who has also flashed the codes off a 2.2
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: Jimbob on 15 July 2009, 18:55:28
ive tried it on 3 2.2's  and none of them worked.


So as far as I can tell..

3.2 & 2.6 Always work
2.2 may work apparently.
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: Jimbob on 15 July 2009, 18:56:50
also, where all 2.2's should work with any generic obd code reader, ours didnt.

May be related.

May be several 2.2 ECU types / revisions
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2009, 20:16:08
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At the risk of being severely berated, opinions please on what the pedal trick actually works on. It's stated on here so many times that it does not work on a 2.2, but I know for a fact that it works on mine because I've done it. I was led to believe that it works on any engine with the drive by wire (throttle with no cable). Anybody going to back me up here who has also flashed the codes off a 2.2
Thats interesting :y

Might go and put a fault on tunnie's 2.2 when hes not looking, and try that ;D
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: unlucky mark mv6 on 15 July 2009, 21:09:16
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At the risk of being severely berated, opinions please on what the pedal trick actually works on. It's stated on here so many times that it does not work on a 2.2, but I know for a fact that it works on mine because I've done it. I was led to believe that it works on any engine with the drive by wire (throttle with no cable). Anybody going to back me up here who has also flashed the codes off a 2.2
Thats interesting :y

Might go and put a fault on tunnie's 2.2 when hes not looking, and try that ;D
Thats it im sending him a pm and grassing you up. ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: feeutfo on 15 July 2009, 21:10:24
wondering if some faults dont allow the pedal trick to work, for instance when fitting my lpg, i neglected to re plug in the dbw plug to throttle body. When turning the key for the first time, rather panicked with no pedal response, and pedal tricked to find the issue, light just went out, no flashing at all.

Remembered, after a sudden "comfort break", re plugged and all was well. Obviouse the pedal trick wont work if the drive by wire is unplugged as you have to press the gas pedal to perform said trick.
presume brake light switch is the same?

a mate has a fl 2.0 with breaked abs ecu that wont paper clip for instance , light just goes out as mine did, beleive its obd2 also??


So.... is it possible 2.2s have been tetsted with one of these faults in the past to find no flashing?..... But surely somone has tried it before now at some stage? Thinking about it, i am sure TB tested pedal trick at WIM Open day on a 2.2 after fitting cruise control, didnt work obviously.

ps, presume no fault will give constant flashing, so no need to induse a fault to test? ...but would be belt and brases i guess  :-/

also...im under the impression its ecu specific, rightly or wrongly?

Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2009, 21:10:45
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At the risk of being severely berated, opinions please on what the pedal trick actually works on. It's stated on here so many times that it does not work on a 2.2, but I know for a fact that it works on mine because I've done it. I was led to believe that it works on any engine with the drive by wire (throttle with no cable). Anybody going to back me up here who has also flashed the codes off a 2.2
Thats interesting :y

Might go and put a fault on tunnie's 2.2 when hes not looking, and try that ;D
Thats it im sending him a pm and grassing you up. ;D ;D
Shame, you're so close to 500 posts   [smiley=evil.gif]
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: unlucky mark mv6 on 15 July 2009, 21:12:50
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At the risk of being severely berated, opinions please on what the pedal trick actually works on. It's stated on here so many times that it does not work on a 2.2, but I know for a fact that it works on mine because I've done it. I was led to believe that it works on any engine with the drive by wire (throttle with no cable). Anybody going to back me up here who has also flashed the codes off a 2.2
Thats interesting :y

Might go and put a fault on tunnie's 2.2 when hes not looking, and try that ;D
Thats it im sending him a pm and grassing you up. ;D ;D
Shame, you're so close to 500 posts   [smiley=evil.gif]
:-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: deviator on 15 July 2009, 21:13:46
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At the risk of being severely berated, opinions please on what the pedal trick actually works on. It's stated on here so many times that it does not work on a 2.2, but I know for a fact that it works on mine because I've done it. I was led to believe that it works on any engine with the drive by wire (throttle with no cable). Anybody going to back me up here who has also flashed the codes off a 2.2
Thats interesting :y

Might go and put a fault on tunnie's 2.2 when hes not looking, and try that ;D


As said, no need to introduce a fault, the light should just keep flashing.
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2009, 21:15:09
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At the risk of being severely berated, opinions please on what the pedal trick actually works on. It's stated on here so many times that it does not work on a 2.2, but I know for a fact that it works on mine because I've done it. I was led to believe that it works on any engine with the drive by wire (throttle with no cable). Anybody going to back me up here who has also flashed the codes off a 2.2
Thats interesting :y

Might go and put a fault on tunnie's 2.2 when hes not looking, and try that ;D


As said, no need to introduce a fault, the light should just keep flashing.
you're missing the point - i just want to break his car  :-X
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: alexandjen on 15 July 2009, 21:18:21
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At the risk of being severely berated, opinions please on what the pedal trick actually works on. It's stated on here so many times that it does not work on a 2.2, but I know for a fact that it works on mine because I've done it. I was led to believe that it works on any engine with the drive by wire (throttle with no cable). Anybody going to back me up here who has also flashed the codes off a 2.2


Well I've never tried it but I will just out of curiosity :)
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2009, 21:19:45
anyone know what works on a pre OBDII Rover MEMS3 ecu ::)
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: alexandjen on 15 July 2009, 21:31:47
Well well, just tried the pedal trick and the light constantly flashes showing no stored codes..........

Got a problem though..........led on fob is constantly flashing and the remote locking is not working, had to lock it with key in door......any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: feeutfo on 15 July 2009, 21:47:43
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Well well, just tried the pedal trick and the light constantly flashes showing no stored codes..........

Got a problem though..........led on fob is constantly flashing and the remote locking is not working, had to lock it with key in door......any suggestions?
flat fob battery? point at your head and press fob button. :y
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: Jimbob on 16 July 2009, 07:54:26
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anyone know what works on a pre OBDII Rover MEMS3 ecu ::)


Sammy  :y
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: Del Boy on 16 July 2009, 08:02:55
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anyone know what works on a pre OBDII Rover MEMS3 ecu ::)


Sammy  :y
Didnt sammy get hidden?
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: feeutfo on 16 July 2009, 11:14:41
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anyone know what works on a pre OBDII Rover MEMS3 ecu ::)


Sammy  :y
Didnt sammy get hidden?
....by Mrs Boy? Probably her ecu...?
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: feeutfo on 16 July 2009, 11:17:31
so how come some 2.2s work and some dont? Are ecu's all the same on that engine?
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 July 2009, 16:29:07
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anyone know what works on a pre OBDII Rover MEMS3 ecu ::)


Sammy  :y

If it doesn't fix the MEMS it'll put a fault on Tunnie's 2.2.  ;D

Actually, MEMS was used on some of the K series Caterhams, although most people have ditched them. I will make some enquiries...

Kevin
Title: Re: The Truth About The Pedal Trick
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 July 2009, 16:31:17
.. and regarding the pedal test not working with the DBW throttle not connected, I wonder if the DBW throttle control system needs to be intact before it will trigger the diagnostic mode? I.E. perhaps it works on throttle position not pedal position?

Throttle not connected -> No throttle position input to ECU -> No diagnostics. Seems silly but perhaps that's how it works?

Kevin