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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Boiler Man on 12 July 2009, 21:19:52
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Hi Guys
Hope someone can give me some advice please.
Coming home tonight, pushed the pedal to the floor changed gear and the pedal stayed on the floor. :(
Had to get home by the seat of my pants. Knocking it out of gear at the lights and starting the engine up in 1st to get it rolling [smiley=shocked.gif]
Is this a new clutch? or something with the mechanism that I can free off.
The clutch is not slipping, in fact it bits pretty well. I've been told the clutches on the later models are mega buck?
It's a 2.2 DTI, 03, CDX Estate.
I need this car for work, any advice would be really appreciated.
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just wondering if there is a return spring on the pedal thats come off :-/ or do the 2.2 have a cable clutch? as when i had cables break on my old vivas & victors the pedal hit the deck.
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sounds like linkage arm on gearbox or could be cable good luck :y
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Clutches are hydraulic, what's the fluid level like in the brake/clutch reservoir? It sounds like a leak to me .... but I have a proper gearbox! ::) ;) ;) ;)
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Cheers Guys
I don't know if it's cable or hydrolic activated on the DTI.
My Bl*****y Haynes manual doesn't cover the DTI engine. >:( :(
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Cheers Guys
I don't know if it's cable or hydrolic activated on the DTI.
My Bl*****y Haynes manual doesn't cover the DTI engine. >:( :(
All others are hydraulic .... have a look! ;) At the side of the brake/clutch reservoir you'll find a pipe that goes of to the salve cylinder. Auto's have the same stub but it's blanked off. ;) ;) :y
I would think it'll be the same as others. If it's the salve cylinder/release bearing that's gone t1t5 up ...... then I'm sure it'll be a gearbox off job. :'(
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Do the brakes and clutch use the same fluid/reservoir?
The fluid is on min but not below, I can see a, what looks like an over flow pipe coming off the side near the top of the res' and the fluid is slightly below that?
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Do the brakes and clutch use the same fluid/reservoir?
The fluid is on min but not below, I can see a, what looks like an over flow pipe coming off the side near the top of the res' and the fluid is slightly below that?
That overflow pipe feeds your clutch master cylinder. Sounds like you have a leak somewhere. You need to bleed the clutch out which is easier from the slave end.
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Do the brakes and clutch use the same fluid/reservoir?
The fluid is on min but not below, I can see a, what looks like an over flow pipe coming off the side near the top of the res' and the fluid is slightly below that?
That overflow pipe feeds your clutch master cylinder. Sounds like you have a leak somewhere. You need to bleed the clutch out which is easier from the slave end.
Cheers is that the pipe that looks more like a re-enforced plastic hose, rather than a metal pipe? It goes around the back of the brake servo into a small manifold fixed to the bulk head?
Can I use any fluid? say from the all night garage?
Thanks for the advice.
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I had an issue like this a few years back, it was heat that colapsed the pipe and caused loss of presure and the pedal to stay on the floor for me. It was so long ago I cant remember the details, but might help!
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Do the brakes and clutch use the same fluid/reservoir?
The fluid is on min but not below, I can see a, what looks like an over flow pipe coming off the side near the top of the res' and the fluid is slightly below that?
Yes they do share the reservoir .... if the fluid level is level with the bottom of the pipe, I reckon you've a leak! :(
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Can I use any fluid? say from the all night garage?
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Brake fluid! Halfords tomorrow will sell it, & you be able to se what you're doing! :y :y :y
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any dot 3 brake fluid should do - but I suspect even if you have air in there it will be soggy pedal time. more likely the slave cylinder has given up
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Clutch.... That's that third pedal, on the left, that you have to jump up and down on isn't it? ::) ::) :D :D
Sorry, can't be much help as all the manual Vauxhall's I've owned have had cables :y :y
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Hi Guys
Well you've done it again :y
Been down the garage, got me some fluid, topped it up to max, dragged the clutch pedal up off the floor and pumped it. Instantly it started to operate the release.
Can't understand how the level is so low. I had a mini service not long ago. Thought they would have checked it. Also the MID usually mithers the life out of me when some basic thing is wrong. Just shows you should check things yourself. Maybe I have a leak as someone suggested :-/
The pedals a bit spongy and I'll have to bleed it to be sure.
But at least I can get to the job tomorrow.
A big thanks to all you guy's for your advice :y
Saved my bacon again. Where do I pay my money [smiley=dankk2.gif]
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glad you got it sorted :y :y :y
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Now be sensible and buy an auto! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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i agree get a auto much better :y :y :y
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You need to pressure bleed the clucth by feeding fluid into the bleed nipple.....and its DOT4 fluid required!
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is there a bleed nipple on these clutches then ...or doesent it work like that ? :-/
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is there a bleed nipple on these clutches then ...or doesent it work like that ? :-/
Yes .... somewhere. But they reckon you get better results bleeding it arse about face. :y
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Thanks Andy B
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Hi Guys
I'm having a great day today. NOT :(
Last week I topped up the Clutch/Brake Fluid, after my clutch problems and it got me going. I intended to reverse bleed it this weekend to be sure, which was kindly suggested by a couple of you lads. But it p***sed down here all weekend.
Anyway I've started to have the same problem, clutch low bitting point then none :o Then back again.
So I've got the car jacked and new Axle stand under etc. Shringe and clear tube loaded with fluid. no air to be seen.
Fits on the clutch slave nipple, open nipple and push the fluid in. Problem being there's nearly as much fluid coming out of the nipple thread, than I'm putting in :(
Is this normal?
I've done two lots now and there's a nice puddle on the mother in laws drive. ::) :o
Any advice would be appreciated.
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Hi Guys
I'm having a great day today. NOT :(
Last week I topped up the Clutch/Brake Fluid, after my clutch problems and it got me going. I intended to reverse bleed it this weekend to be sure, which was kindly suggested by a couple of you lads. But it p***sed down here all weekend.
Anyway I've started to have the same problem, clutch low bitting point then none :o Then back again.
So I've got the car jacked and new Axle stand under etc. Shringe and clear tube loaded with fluid. no air to be seen.
Fits on the clutch slave nipple, open nipple and push the fluid in. Problem being there's nearly as much fluid coming out of the nipple thread, than I'm putting in :(
Is this normal?
I've done two lots now and there's a nice puddle on the mother in laws drive. ::) :o
Any advice would be appreciated.
Sounds as though you had released/slackened off the nipple enough before you 'injected' the fluid.
Did you try the conventional method first? I had no problems bleeding my Astra's hydraulic clutch with an Easy Bleed.
Have you found out why you were low on fluid in the first place?
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Hi Guys
I'm having a great day today. NOT :(
Last week I topped up the Clutch/Brake Fluid, after my clutch problems and it got me going. I intended to reverse bleed it this weekend to be sure, which was kindly suggested by a couple of you lads. But it p***sed down here all weekend.
Anyway I've started to have the same problem, clutch low bitting point then none :o Then back again.
So I've got the car jacked and new Axle stand under etc. Shringe and clear tube loaded with fluid. no air to be seen.
Fits on the clutch slave nipple, open nipple and push the fluid in. Problem being there's nearly as much fluid coming out of the nipple thread, than I'm putting in :(
Is this normal?
I've done two lots now and there's a nice puddle on the mother in laws drive. ::) :o
Any advice would be appreciated.
Sounds as though you had released/slackened off the nipple enough before you 'injected' the fluid.
Did you try the conventional method first? I had no problems bleeding my Astra's hydraulic clutch with an Easy Bleed.
Have you found out why you were low on fluid in the first place?
Cheers Andy B, that is a poss'.
I've taken the nipple out and put some PTFE tape on the thread and tried again. Not easy putting tape on a thread and your finger over the hole at the same time.
Didn't have any spillage this time. Pumped two lots in again. Working at the mo. But for how long? :-/
I used the pressure method first, didn't want to risk the other way after advice.
Can't find any leakage on the clutch pipework. There is a tiny tear of fluid on the bottom of the bell housing where it joins the engine.
I'm assuming there is a possibility the slave is leaking? :(
But I'm afraid without any info on how it looks inside the bell housing, exept the useless Ha***s manual >:(. I'm working blind.
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I'm assuming there is a possibility the slave is leaking? :(
But I'm afraid without any info on how it looks inside the bell housing, exept the useless Ha***s manual >:(. I'm working blind.
I does sound like you've a leak.
This is an Astra's slave cylinder/thrust bearing, I believe an Omega is similar. It looks like you'll be ultimately removing your gearbox. :(
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Tiff4327/S73F1063.jpg)
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I'm assuming there is a possibility the slave is leaking? :(
But I'm afraid without any info on how it looks inside the bell housing, exept the useless Ha***s manual >:(. I'm working blind.
I does sound like you've a leak.
This is an Astra's slave cylinder/thrust bearing, I believe an Omega is similar. It looks like you'll be ultimately removing your gearbox. :(
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Tiff4327/S73F1063.jpg)
I think your right :'(.
Just had a look at the clutch change in the maintenence guides. Looks like your photo.
I take it that it is proberby a seal in the slave?
Thing is at 160,000. If I have to go in that direction, would it be worth changing the clutch at the same time?
:-/
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I'm assuming there is a possibility the slave is leaking? :(
But I'm afraid without any info on how it looks inside the bell housing, exept the useless Ha***s manual >:(. I'm working blind.
I does sound like you've a leak.
This is an Astra's slave cylinder/thrust bearing, I believe an Omega is similar. It looks like you'll be ultimately removing your gearbox. :(
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Tiff4327/S73F1063.jpg)
I think your right :'(.
Just had a look at the clutch change in the maintenence guides. Looks like your photo.
I take it that it is proberby a seal in the slave?
Thing is at 160,000. If I have to go in that direction, would it be worth changing the clutch at the same time?
:-/
There's a slave cylinder on fleabay at the mo which is about £75 :y
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Cheers Buddy. :y
Did you get your DTI going?
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I take it that it is proberby a seal in the slave?
Thing is at 160,000. If I have to go in that direction, would it be worth changing the clutch at the same time?
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Could be, but the pipes are a push-in fit with a kind of 'O' seal on the pipe. Haynes does suggest you replace it, I didn't when I swapped my Astra's gearbox - so far so good :-X ;)
I suppose it depends how much you want to spend on your car & how long you're likely to be keeping it. I made the mistake of buying another clutch plate before I dismantled my car ... there was bugger all wrong with the old clutch! :( I'd have a look first before I bought a new one. :y
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Personal opinion but, unless it was silly low miles, I wouldn't be fitting a used clutch once gone to trouble to take g/box off, especially in a wrong wheel drive car... :y
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Cheers Buddy. :y
Did you get your DTI going?
I've just ordered injector seals, bleed off pipe and a new filter and seal, should be here Thursday :y
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These are good clutches and not too expensive
http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/clutch-parts-buy.php
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Personal opinion but, unless it was silly low miles, I wouldn't be fitting a used clutch once gone to trouble to take g/box off, especially in a wrong wheel drive car... :y
Whose car are you refering to James? My Astra? :-/
Boilerman is talking about his Omega, I'm saying that I should have looked before I forked £100 uneccessarily on a clutch that turned out to be not needed!
The kit from the local motor factor didn't come with a slave/thrust just the flex/spring plate & friction plate.
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Whose car are you refering to James? My Astra? :-/
No mate, just general car's I've owned :y
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These are good clutches and not too expensive
http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/clutch-parts-buy.php
It was a LUK that went into the shed! :y
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Whose car are you refering to James? My Astra? :-/
No mate, just general car's I've owned :y
I agree in principle - you don't really want to change an Astra G's clutch, you've to remove the front subframe :-? - but I could have spent the £100 on me! :y :y :y :y
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I'm a bit confused now guys :-/
Anyway, just going back to the Clutch/Brake Res'
I take it, that although they are combined they split inside the res'.
i.e. I couldnt be loosing the fluid on a brake pipe?
It does seem strange that the levels inside the res' are different. The centre circular plastic section seems higher than the surrounding level. :-/
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I'm a bit confused now guys :-/
Anyway, just going back to the Clutch/Brake Res'
I take it, that although they are combined they split inside the res'.
i.e. I couldnt be loosing the fluid on a brake pipe?
It does seem strange that the levels inside the res' are different. The centre circular plastic section seems higher than the surrounding level. :-/
Yes! There's a 'wall' in the middle. You should be able to see through the reservoir enough to see which side you're loosing fluid from. I'm sure you said before it was the clutch side ie where the hose comes from the side. You've got brake fluid dripping down from the bell housing .... it'll be your slave cylinder. ;) :y
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Whose car are you refering to James? My Astra? :-/
No mate, just general car's I've owned :y
I agree in principle - you don't really want to change an Astra G's clutch, you've to remove the front subframe :-? - but I could have spent the £100 on me! :y :y :y :y
Crikey, is that still the case if you lift the engine out?
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I'm a bit confused now guys :-/
Anyway, just going back to the Clutch/Brake Res'
I take it, that although they are combined they split inside the res'.
i.e. I couldnt be loosing the fluid on a brake pipe?
It does seem strange that the levels inside the res' are different. The centre circular plastic section seems higher than the surrounding level. :-/
Yes! There's a 'wall' in the middle. You should be able to see through the reservoir enough to see which side you're loosing fluid from. I'm sure you said before it was the clutch side ie where the hose comes from the side. You've got brake fluid dripping down from the bell housing .... it'll be your slave cylinder. ;) :y
I know your proberbly right :(. Just trying to convince myself it could be something simple. It never is though.
Thanks for all your help Andy B.
By the way you were a big help last year. When I was looking at fitting a tow bar. For my estate, don't know if you remember. That one went well. :y
Pity I haven't got a clutch to tow with now ::) ;)
If you have any boiler problems, let me know. I'm often in Bury
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By the way you were a big help last year. When I was looking at fitting a tow bar. For my estate, don't know if you remember. That one went well. :y ....
Thanks! :y
If you have any boiler problems, let me know. I'm often in Bury
That's worth remembering ..... mine's an old Glow worm indisguise, I intend it to run till it breaks dies now! :y
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Crikey, is that still the case if you lift the engine out?
If the engine's out you can split the engine from the gearbox. But I think you probably find it's easier to remove it all in a downward direction anyway. If you do, don't think you can ignore the clamp at the bottom of the steering column ... like me! ::) IIRC it's only 4 (maybe 6) bloody big bolts up into the chassis to remove it all. :y
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By the way you were a big help last year. When I was looking at fitting a tow bar. For my estate, don't know if you remember. That one went well. :y ....
Thanks! :y
If you have any boiler problems, let me know. I'm often in Bury
That's worth remembering ..... mine's an old Glow worm indisguise, I intend it to run till it breaks dies now! :y
Bulletproof. Just keep a spare thermocouple :y
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Bulletproof. Just keep a spare thermocouple :y
I'll get one to keep my crank sensor company! :y :y
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;D ;D ;D :y