Omega Owners Forum

Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 26 July 2009, 16:42:56

Title: What engines would fit?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 26 July 2009, 16:42:56
If I wanted to put something a little more interesting in the MV6, what engines would fit without chopping the car about?

Any reasonably priced V8's - or others?

Would a Straight 6 engine from a senator etc fit the existing engine mounts with an AR35?
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: tunnie on 26 July 2009, 16:45:40
Senator S6 engines do fit, but the wiper motors get in the way, so a single wiper conversion is needed.

Lotus 3.6 Twin Turbo would be a nice fit.

Maybe a Monaro 6.0 V8?

Sourcing them won't be cheap though
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 26 July 2009, 16:46:51
Don't want anything crazy - just something a little different perhaps!

I don't have a huge budget for it, I was thinking a S6 Senny motor if it would bolt in  ;D

Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: tunnie on 26 July 2009, 16:48:14
Quote
Don't want anything crazy - just something a little different perhaps!

I don't have a huge budget for it, I was thinking a S6 Senny motor if it would bolt in  ;D


trouble with Senny engines is it makes the car too nose heavy
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Pitchfork on 26 July 2009, 16:56:17
Quote
Quote
Don't want anything crazy - just something a little different perhaps!

I don't have a huge budget for it, I was thinking a S6 Senny motor if it would bolt in  ;D


trouble with Senny engines is it makes the car too nose heavy
Heavier than a Traktor lump??
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 26 July 2009, 17:50:41
Quote
Don't want anything crazy - just something a little different perhaps!

I don't have a huge budget for it, I was thinking a S6 Senny motor if it would bolt in  ;D


No more powerful either.

Why not think silly?

Volvo 2.5 turbo

Will think of others later
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 26 July 2009, 17:53:47
Quote
Quote
Don't want anything crazy - just something a little different perhaps!

I don't have a huge budget for it, I was thinking a S6 Senny motor if it would bolt in  ;D


No more powerful either.

Why not think silly?

Volvo 2.5 turbo

Will think of others later

Think is, to put a volvo engine in - It wouldn't fit the mounts etc - I'm not good enough to start modifying the bodywork and drivetrain to take other engines...  :-/
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: NiallyV6CDX on 26 July 2009, 22:10:31
BMW E36 M3 3.0 or 3.2 straight 6 engine?...after all they share the diesel engine!
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: albitz on 26 July 2009, 22:15:27
Quote
Quote
Don't want anything crazy - just something a little different perhaps!

I don't have a huge budget for it, I was thinking a S6 Senny motor if it would bolt in  ;D


trouble with Senny engines is it makes the car too nose heavy
....but -no cambelt/breathers that need cleaning often/leaky cam covers/HBV/dispack etc,and you would have room for a turbo if you were so inclined. :)
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 July 2009, 22:27:19
It's going to take a lot of work whatever you do so only worth the bother for something that will transform the car IMHO.

V8 or bust, in other words. Forget straight 6s.

Whatever you do, you will need to fabricate engine mounts, exhausts and deal with incompatible engine electronics, perhaps have the propshaft altered. Not a sunday afternoon project, but potentially a rewarding one if you're prepared to put in some time.

Kevin 
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Del Boy on 26 July 2009, 22:29:37
Senator engines are too heavy  :-/
Get a V8, but Martin why not a 2.3 T5 Volvo engine  ::)
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 26 July 2009, 22:36:53
Volvo engine is an interesting plan, IMHO. Saw a westfield running one of those (actually a Duratec I5 2.5 Turbo ex-focus ST). Over 300 BHP. Very nice but would be plenty of work.

Kevin
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Lee A on 26 July 2009, 22:39:27
Why not stick a supercharger on the 3.0? Would imagine a kit is available and im sure with your spanner skills should be a fairly straightforward install?

Would be cheaper than a V8 mod too?  :question
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Del Boy on 26 July 2009, 22:39:48
Quote
Volvo engine is an interesting plan, IMHO. Saw a westfield running one of those (actually a Duratec I5 2.5 Turbo ex-focus ST). Over 300 BHP. Very nice but would be plenty of work.

Kevin
Yeah that is an issue, mind you a 2.4 T5 with the 6 speed manual what would that go like especially with RWD  :o Or if money was no object a 3.5 diesel out of a 335/535d 286 Bhp of twin turbo diesel fun  8-)
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Lee A on 26 July 2009, 22:40:46
Here you go!

http://www.steinmetz.no/PressRelease.aspx
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: NiallyV6CDX on 26 July 2009, 22:53:26
So nobody thinks a 321bhp BMW M Power engine is the way to go? I bet it would go in pretty easy aswell.
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 26 July 2009, 23:06:32
How about a Saab Engine? 2.2 Turbo?
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: andyc on 27 July 2009, 09:40:12
V8 all the way. Crate LS6 new $5500.00 which at todays rate is about 3.5k

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w245/andyc2411/ls6.jpg)

A friend of mine runs his own company fitting V8's into all sorts of things so its all do able

Andy

Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 27 July 2009, 14:22:33
I thought about the LS engines - but I was trying to think cheap.

OK Lexus 4.0 V8 with a supercharger ;D
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: andyc on 27 July 2009, 14:26:07
There is a guy in Europe i think with a Lexus V8 in one, saw a pic of it ages back but never did see the finished item.

Using a LS motor your then running on the lines of the Holden Commodore,s so if you can find someone in Oz getting parts wouldn't be a problem

Andy
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: SJKOO01 on 27 July 2009, 20:29:17
Have you thought of N/O2 kit instead, okay so you'll have to keep having the bottle refilled every now and then or everyday if you go mad with it ?  ::)

Just a thought ?.

Don't forget even with specialist insurance companies, if it's a one-off conversion that hasn't been done before the premuim could be high for the the trouble you've gone to ?!.  Maybe an idea before you go and actually do a conversion, to get a quote before you get your spanners out !.  Otherwise chap you maybe spending half your budget paying someone else for the prevellage of "your" fun.

Not trying to put you off the project, just thought I'd point out another angle of the project !.

We've all been there, tolled away at a project, only to have the insurance companies P155 on our chips !!.

Good luck with your project though.

P.S. there is somewhere on youtube (or used to be) a film of a Omega Lexus powered 4L V8 Turbo'd putting out 1000BHP - More fun than a Bugatti Vyron if you ask me  ::)

M  :y
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Brick Tamland on 27 July 2009, 20:33:34
Here :y
I'd still rather have a big block yank v8 8-)

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N__PXqzuyB0[/media]
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: SJKOO01 on 27 July 2009, 20:44:15
Yeah agree a Yank V8 would be nice.

Trouble is these days all modern cars have electronics to control fuel supply, etc.  So it's not like years ago, where you could virtually bolt in a V8 in a weekend and a carb to tweek and timing to set and away you go, which is a pain.

Still saying that, I've decided that once my engine dies a death, I'm ripping out and putting in a V8 of some sort  ::)  ;D  ;D
Old School never dies (engine North South & RWD), as it should be  ;)

Knew someone else would know where this video clip was, I did try finding it, but didn't have any luck.
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: sassanach on 27 July 2009, 20:46:38
you can fit just about anything into anything subject to two things a)money b) time
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 July 2009, 21:40:33
Quote
you can fit just about anything into anything subject to two things a)money b) time

Yep, and the more you have of one the less you have of the other. :-/ Always the same story.

Kevin
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 27 July 2009, 21:53:05
Quote
Here :y
I'd still rather have a big block yank v8 8-)

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N__PXqzuyB0[/media]

Thats powered by a lexus engine though.
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Brick Tamland on 27 July 2009, 21:55:07
Quote
Quote
Here :y
I'd still rather have a big block yank v8 8-)

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N__PXqzuyB0[/media]

Thats powered by a lexus engine though.

But this one doesn't :y

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78dvop4DyB4[/media]
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 27 July 2009, 21:56:23
Consider buying a rear ended write off.  That way you get all the wiring for the plugs/sockets,  pipework and plumbing.  Plus dependong on what you buy you may be able to sell parts towards the conversion.

Should be a few yanks that are danaged kicking arround in the papers. :y :y
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 27 July 2009, 21:59:41
Quote
Consider buying a rear ended write off.  That way you get all the wiring for the plugs/sockets,  pipework and plumbing.  Plus dependong on what you buy you may be able to sell parts towards the conversion.

Should be a few yanks that are danaged kicking arround in the papers. :y :y

Cheers mate

I've been boring, I'm going to replace with a normal V6 for now due to time etc

I'm going for the proper gearbox, though,  :y  ;D
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 28 July 2009, 11:49:48
I've heard that the Saab turbo engine (as you suggested) bolts straight onto an Omega gearbox, no idea about mounts though. Plus it'd need some bits to change it from FWD to RWD, I'd wager...
Title: Re: What engines would fit?
Post by: deviator on 29 July 2009, 09:41:12
What about a Saab lump? Should be slightly easier. Not sure if you've noticed, but in my engine bay, I have a plug that is GM and a socket that is Saab!

At least you are in the right ball-park, should be easier on mounts and electrics.

Supercharger kits are 3-5k new, thats using a modified standard ecu to allow for extra fuelling. Seen a kit up for 1.5k 2nd hand recently. However to get the most out of it (more than about 80bhp increase) you will be starting to get into upgraded engine internals, standalone ecu and probably a larger bore exhaust (fanimold to tailpipe).

So if you want about 80bhp only, supercharge. If you want more, get a larger engine to start with. The old saying - there is no replacement for displacement.

If you do change the engine, at least you'll have the 'unique' factor.