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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: portomega on 08 August 2009, 05:03:18
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Right got my car back last night after it being away for 2 days having the HG done. but now my temp guage isnt working plus it looks like they lost 2 of the bolts/screws/nuts ( whatever they are lol) that go along the top of the engine/ cam cover ( 4 or 5 on each side) one they've just replace with a different type and tightened it up, the second they just plonked a long screw into the hole and it just sits there not screwed in or anything! >:(
Firstly the temp gauge....., i rung the guy up that did the HG and he said its nothing to do with him that the gauge isnt working, although he did replace the thermosat too, not sure if they are connected myself and its probably the sensor thats failed....how easy are they to replace and where are they located? i got a feeling hes unplugged it and forgotten to plug it back in ::)
Second the 2 missing bolts........ i asked this "mechanic" about why they were missing and he said "dont worry it wont make any difference" now i dont believe that having a gaping hole in the top of the engine will do it any good so.....can you buy them from vauxhall? and does anyone know what they are actually called so i dont look an idiot when i ask at the desk? lol :y
im so p*ssed off right now with the work this guy has done, ok hes fixed the HG problem, no morw white smoke or coolant lose but seems to have dodged the rest of the bits when putting the engine back together oh and all this cost me £833!!!!! >:( :o :'(
Any help on my two above problems would be much appreciated guys :y and no i wont be taking it back to the guy that did my HG :exclamation
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excuse my tying by the way lol ive just got in from a 12 hr night shift and along with the stress of the car problems it makes spelling and typing rather complicated ;D if you're able to work out what i've written above leave me your replies and i'll catch up with them when i get up later :y
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At the price you've paid, take it back and tell him you want it putting right. You have paid top money for a job, not for him to generate more faults! :o :o
The temp gauge is something to do with him... He'll have had to unplug it to remove the head! As for the missing bolts... I'd be more concerned that they may be rattling about the engine bay than anything else! :-/
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Sounds like you have a very unprofessional mechanic there :-/
I would make a list of things that they need to fix and give it to them, then give them a day or 2 to sort it, else go to trading standards.
Did you pay by credit card? Can dispute the charges if you did, i would! The temp gauge might not be their fault but any good garage taking in £833 (!) notes for a repair should be doing a faultless job.
The 2 bolts missing is just unexcusable. if they dont sort it to your satisfaction i would even go to the local rag and get them to investigate, they love stories about consumers being ripped off!
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Oh dear.
If you are determined to fix it yourself from here, the missing bolts would surely just be called 'cam cover bolts'. Don't tighten to more than 8Nm.
The Gauge Temperature sender is marked up in this image. Only really accessible by feel with all the stuff that's in the way (EGR(1)/DIS(2)/HT leads). Find the 2-pin connector for the ECU coolant temperature sender and it's just next to it.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc138/EZ_Pete/DISEGRCTSGTS.jpg)
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With your temp gauge I would say they could not find the connection to refit the cabel, it is at the back of your engion, the cabel needs putting back on but it is a bitch to do.
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With your temp gauge I would say they could not find the connection to refit the cabel, it is at the back of your engion, the cabel needs putting back on but it is a bitch to do.
But surely after doing a head gasget the y should have pulled out the stops to sort the gauge so they know there were no temperature or air lock problems after doing a "head gasket". hello, knock knock, is there anyone at home. :-/ :-X
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thanks for the replies guys :y i know i should really take it back to this guy but he seems to have lost all intrest now that hes got my cash, just giving me " oh i could maybe fit it in....." when with my HG he could do it the next day and came to get the car at 6am! i think ive been well and truely done over on this one :-/ :( does anyone know what size the cam cover bolts are? vauxhall couldnt give me a price over the phone as they said theres all different sizes and i dont have the tools at the moment to remove one to check
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With your temp gauge I would say they could not find the connection to refit the cabel, it is at the back of your engion, the cabel needs putting back on but it is a bitch to do.
But surely after doing a head gasget the y should have pulled out the stops to sort the gauge so they know there were no temperature or air lock problems after doing a "head gasket". hello, knock knock, is there anyone at home. :-/ :-X
In our eyes Yes they should have done that But we all know what for cowboys are out there,
It might have been someone like an apprentice that didnt find it or the mechanic just couldnt be bothered.
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Sound like muppets to me. They'll probably sit up and take note if you lodge a dispute with your credit card company and get on to trading standards though. ;D
Kevin
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Sound like muppets to me. They'll probably sit up and take note if you lodge a dispute with your credit card company and get on to trading standards though. ;D
Kevin
can stand people like this as Kevin said report them to trading standards that will make them wise up :y
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just been to vauxhall and got 2 new cam cover bolts :y 85p for the pair so not bad . only problem now is ive not got the right tool to tighten them and cant find anywhere that have that type of "star" shaped head ::)
Also the plug for the temp gauage sensor is a sort of a flat 2 pin plug? as ive routed around at the back of the engine ( burnt hands andwrists!!! :o ) and found this kind of plug just hanging there... could this be the right one? but cant find where it plugs back in, anyone or the person that showed the diagram got a bigger picture?
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Try this:
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc138/EZ_Pete/DISEGRCTSGTS-1.jpg)
The two-pin connector is for the ECU Coolant Temperature sender. You should find a single wire with a connector on it dangling off the same bit of loom. As I said you have to find the connectors on the senders by feel, but the ECU one just pushes on and can only go the correct way round, the other one slides on. I'll see if I can find a spare sender and photograph it with a similar connector slid on. (After lunch, which should give your engine time enough to cool down so you don't burn yourself any more).
:)
Pete
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cheers thanks for that :y
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Mmm, can't find my spare sender.
Picture a pinhead, but rather enlarged, say 6mm diameter. Then imagine it slid, end-on into a crimp connector like this:
(http://images.maplin.co.uk/full/n22an.jpg)
The wire ends up coming off at right-angles to the shaft of the pin. The (loom) connector has a rectangular black plastic insulator around it on all sides except where the pinhead bit slides in.
All of the above assumes that your 2.2 has the same sender/connector types/styles as my 2.0. Perhaps someone can confirm this?
Here's an image of the sender type that mine has with pinhead feature on the left:
(http://i3.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/90/8b/b143_2.JPG)
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thanks looks like i'll be spending my night shift routing around at the back of the engine then lol i guess theres no easy way to access it other than from top and with feel, lots of cut knuckles for me! ::)
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where can i get the right tool for removing the cam cover bolts? im looking everywhere at the moment and cant find anything that has that "star" shaped head :question
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where can i get the right tool for removing the cam cover bolts? im looking everywhere at the moment and cant find anything that has that "star" shaped head :question
You want a female torx socket - try http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FEMALE-TORX-14-PC-CRV-SOCKET-SET-1-4-3-8-1-2-E4-E22_W0QQitemZ110404388018QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Hand_Tools_Equipment?hash=item19b49d44b2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 or try Halfords
Hope that helps
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agh female torx thats what they are called!!! cheers thanks for that :y :y
Halfords have set for £14 , would one of the set fit onto the cam bolt heads ?
sockets sizes are 8,10,12,14 16
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agh female torx thats what they are called!!! cheers thanks for that :y :y
Halfords have set for £14 , would one of the set fit onto the cam bolt heads ?
sockets sizes are 8,10,12,14 16
Can't remember the size mate, but would have thought so as they are common sizes :y
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Cam cover bolts are 10 iirc...
Normal price for HG on a v6 would be £300-400...on a 2.2 it should be cheaper as less work to do...
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Cam cover bolts are 10 iirc...
Normal price for HG on a v6 would be £300-400...on a 2.2 it should be cheaper as less work to do...
Is that your normal price? Seems far too cheap for a garage job to me :-/ :-/
IMHO he paid reasonable money for a garage to do a professional job, bearing in mind most garages will now be charging in the region of £55/hour labour.
Trouble is... The job wasn't professional ::) ::)
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Garages round here charge £30-35 an hour...but regardless its a 4-6 hour job max plus couple of hundred quid in parts max...and thats on a v6
Its a 2.2...strip engine down a bit, remove head, replace gasket, reassemble with new belt/tensioners, water pump and cam cover gasket
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Garages round here charge £30-35 an hour...but regardless its a 4-6 hour job max plus couple of hundred quid in parts max...and thats on a v6
Its a 2.2...strip engine down a bit, remove head, replace gasket, reassemble with new belt/tensioners, water pump and cam cover gasket
Blimey, that's cheap! We were charging £45+VAT in Basingstoke 9 years ago when I was working in the trade... And we were one of the cheapest! :o :o :o
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right spent 2 hrs with my hands round the back of the engine feeling around like a blind man in the dark while blindfoled ;D found the single wire and that was connected up but the second one with the connector ( which is very similar to the one pictured on the previous page) i cant for the life of me find where its meant to connect onto, is this the one that actually sends the singal to the dash temp guage?
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2 pin conenctor sounds like the ECU temperature sensor, which is mounted next to the gauge one IIRC. The ECU would be complaining if that was off though. :-/
The gauge wire is certainly the single one.
Kevin
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it should be putting on the eml light then? is a non working temp guage a MOT fail?
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A thought came to me , "maybe theres a fuse for the temp guage", checked manual and its said "FUSE 24 COOLANT HEATING" am i right? because when i checked the fuses this fuse has been removed! could this be the reason my temp guage isnt working?
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A thought came to me , "maybe theres a fuse for the temp guage", checked manual and its said "FUSE 24 COOLANT HEATING" am i right? because when i checked the fuses this fuse has been removed! could this be the reason my temp guage isnt working?
It could well be!
Why not take a look in the handbook and refit a fuse of the correct rating. See what happens then. But you have to ask why this fuse was removed in the first place.
If you're stuck for fuses, (especially as it's Sunday), I've got plenty here in Caerau.
Let me know mate!
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cheers mate, im off to work at 330 so cant come up there today, what i'll do is take the 20A fuse for the fog lamps out and put it in the one that appears to be missing and see what happens :y
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A thought came to me , "maybe theres a fuse for the temp guage", checked manual and its said "FUSE 24 COOLANT HEATING" am i right? because when i checked the fuses this fuse has been removed! could this be the reason my temp guage isnt working?
Does the fuse holder have both sets of contacts? I suspect that it's for use in other colder countries :-/
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i think you're right there i just tried to put the 20a fuse in and it wouldnt stay in :-/
looks like the fuse theory is out the window
Is it an MOT fail if they temp guage isnt working?
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i think you're right there i just tried to put the 20a fuse in and it wouldnt stay in :-/
looks like the fuse theory is out the window
Is it an MOT fail if they temp guage isnt working?
I doubt it, very much.
With regards your other, cam-wear thread. I also don't think there's anything wrong with your cams.
Ours was getting quite noisy (tappets) towards the point when I did the HG. Pretty sure this was caused by oil degradation due to mixing with coolant.
If you don't know for certain that your 'mechanic' did an oil change after all the work, I would do one very soon, using genuine oil/filter. Ours is dead quiet following this (and a ten minute drive to get good oil all around and into the tappets).
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I hope its not an MOT failure ..... but obviously i need to know what the engine temp is, although my cooling fans are cutting in, i dont know if they are cutting in at around 90 like they should or 100 like they shouldnt, really cant afford the HG to go again due to overheating :-[
With reguards to this loose connector ive found would taking the cam cover off (again!) make it easier to see where it possibly goes at the rear of the engine?
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Not especially. Taking off the vac pipe that goes to the EGR, and HT leads off the dispack (does the 2.2 have a DIS?) makes visibility a lot easier. Label up the order of the leads on the DIS and the leads themselves before you take off. Then maybe with torch and small mirror you may be able to see enough.
Can you get this unconnected wire into a position where you can photograph it?
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I hope its not an MOT failure ..... but obviously i need to know what the engine temp is, although my cooling fans are cutting in, i dont know if they are cutting in at around 90 like they should or 100 like they shouldnt, really cant afford the HG to go again due to overheating :-[
With reguards to this loose connector ive found would taking the cam cover off (again!) make it easier to see where it possibly goes at the rear of the engine?
I wouldn't take the cam cover off just to find the temp sensor :-? ;). I believe it's towards the back of the engine though (mine's a V6 & is a b1tch to get to .... right at the back of the engine ;D)
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i spent 2 hrs feeling around at the back last night with no joy lol apart from badly cut and scrapped hands , fingers and wrists, the actual loose connector looks just like the one you put a picture up of on the first page of this topic, but with a flat plastic covering rather than the red pictured :y
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Then that sounds exactly like the one that should be on your gauge sender. Take off whatever is on there, and try that wire instead?
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i'll give that a try :y im off now for my 12 hr night shift shall spend wats left of the day light fiddling around again with this dam thing ;D hopefully! i'll be back in the morning with good news :y
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i spent 2 hrs feeling around at the back last night with no joy lol apart from badly cut and scrapped hands , fingers and wrists, the actual loose connector looks just like the one you put a picture up of on the first page of this topic, but with a flat plastic covering rather than the red pictured :y
If you ground the wire that goes to the sender unit, then the temp gauge should go to red/hot section of the gauge. you cold try this wire you've found ;) .... I'd stick a muti-meter across it first to make sure there not 12 volts on it. :y :y :y
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Right final update on this dam temp guage lol fiddled around for over an hour last night in work trying to find where this loose connector goes but no joy, and couldnt get what is plugged in off ::) im giving up! Aslong as its not a MOT fail im happy to leave it as it is, and after getting ripped off to the tune of £833 for my hg , i cant afford to get a garage to sort it just yet :-[
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Is'nt the temp sensor screwed into the coolant bridge between the cylinder heads?, as i am sure i have seen it there, remove the plenium and you should be able to see the bridge and reconnect it.
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4-pot. ;)
I really hope someone local to this fella can pop round and help him out... :y
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ooPS SORRY must remember to check model before typing. Any way i notice another problem here, he has got 2 cylinders missing. :D ::)