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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Golfbuddy on 06 December 2007, 18:46:40
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
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Dont fret Mr Golfbudgie..........the pipes will be the correct shape......no bending required :y
You dont think they would let vx muppets techicians go bending pipes!!
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
NO ;D ;D ;D
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
NO ;D ;D ;D
break off you! You know nothing about boxing and you know less than me about cars. >:(
;D ;D ;D
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
NO ;D ;D ;D
break off you! You know nothing about boxing and you know less than me about cars. >:(
;D ;D ;D
get in the Ring with me then Big Mouth ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
NO ;D ;D ;D
break off you! You know nothing about boxing and you know less than me about cars. >:(
;D ;D ;D
get in the Ring with me then Big Mouth ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
AND.....................as for the cars i do know more about them than you..............
1. I fill up all by myself
2. I have checked the oil before in my life
3. I have changed a tire
4. I lock and unlock my car door all the time (with the FOB)
So there :P :P :P :P :P :P
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
NO ;D ;D ;D
break off you! You know nothing about boxing and you know less than me about cars. >:(
;D ;D ;D
get in the Ring with me then Big Mouth ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Err, on second thoughts, your taste in boxers is exquisite and you're a first class mechanic. :-[
But you still can't spell tyre. :P
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
NO ;D ;D ;D
break off you! You know nothing about boxing and you know less than me about cars. >:(
;D ;D ;D
get in the Ring with me then Big Mouth ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
AND.....................as for the cars i do know more about them than you..............
1. I fill up all by myself
2. I have checked the oil before in my life
3. I have changed a tire
4. I lock and unlock my car door all the time (with the FOB)
So there :P :P :P :P :P :P
I know how to start mine :y ;D
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Shouldn't be too difficult if you can get replacement pipes, just give yourself plenty of time but you will have to bleed system after to rid it of all the air :y
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You can make brake pipes yourself, they are not difficult with the kits available. Bending pipe is easy provided you take it easy and have large bends, not sharp 90deg. One advantage is you can get pipe with copper in it, which lasts a very long time (the life of the car), better than the steel pipe replacements. Also a smear of grease on the bleed nipples and fixing threads will help if they have to be removed again. Bleeding is easy if you get a pressure bleeding kit. This uses the spare wheel to pressurise the system, so no chance of getting air in. Mind you if the car has ABS, I think you have to bleed in a certain sequence to avoid upsetting the modulator (?). Potentially your worst problem will be undoing the old pipe fixings and bleed nipples, as these tend to be corroded in, and if you haven't got a good ring spanner over the fixings the corners will get rounded. Sometimes easier to cut the pipe and fit a ring spanner onto the old fixing rather than struggle with a open ended. A good soak in WD40 helps.
Best of luck :y
Ken
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
NO ;D ;D ;D
break off you! You know nothing about boxing and you know less than me about cars. >:(
;D ;D ;D
get in the Ring with me then Big Mouth ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
AND.....................as for the cars i do know more about them than you..............
1. I fill up all by myself
2. I have checked the oil before in my life
3. I have changed a tire
4. I lock and unlock my car door all the time (with the FOB)
So there :P :P :P :P :P :P
I know how to start mine :y ;D
Honest????
can you do a how to???
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...... Sometimes easier to cut the pipe and fit a ring spanner onto the old fixing rather than struggle with a open ended. A good soak in WD40 helps.
Best of luck :y
Ken
Or you could use the spanner like this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAKE-PIPE-FLARE-TUBE-SPANNER-9mm-x-11mm-TOP-QUALITY_W0QQitemZ320140869602QQihZ011QQcategoryZ303QQcmdZViewItem) (http://i6.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/ac/00/1f9f_1.JPG)
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Thanks for the help so far fellas. Are the metal brake pipes from the reservoir in one piece or are they joined somewhere in between?
Presumably they have to be replaced in one piece. Is changing a rear brake pipe a seriously tricky job? I would imagine that once disconnected from reservoir and the wheel that they just clip to the underside of the car?
I haven't had a chance to get under the car for a look as it was dark when I got home from work. I have a day off tomorrow when I could do the job but would like an idea of whether I really ought to be taking this on at all.
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Provided you don't a face full of brake fluid when under the car no real problem. As I said there is some balancing device in the Omega system that may get upset, but its not really a prob. I don't know the setup on the astra, so it may be simpler. Trouble is fluid will start to leak out when you undo a pipe, so a method of blocking it is helpful. This is not really a problem, plus with a pressure bleeding kit you are virtually garanteed to get all air out. It also easy to change the whole system brake fluid, which is recommended every couple of years. There is a bleeding sequence recommended, but best to refer to the Haynes manual for the details. (sometimes its useful!)
Ken
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Ah, rear brake pipe. This will probably join onto a flexible pipe at some point. Sometimes the joint is stuck, its as easy just to change the flexible section as well. The worst is getting the damn things out the caliper. A good look first to see exactly what he has marked, then plan your campaign. :y
That chap Crazydad can prob help, he seems to know a lot about cars ;D ;D ;D
Ken
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Cheers Ken. Do you think three days should be enough to get the job done? ::)
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brake pipes are not too bad, just getting under the car to fit them can be a pain.......
I have a brake pipe flaring kit if you want to borrow it
all i have ever done in the past is cut the ends off and reuse then (so long as they are in good nick of course) get the right bore copper pipe, measure it, flare the ends and happy days.
Then bleed the system, getting litres of fluid all over the place and making a mess of the drive :y
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brake pipes are not too bad, just getting under the car to fit them can be a pain.......
I have a brake pipe flaring kit if you want to borrow it
all i have ever done in the past is cut the ends off and reuse then (so long as they are in good nick of course) get the right bore copper pipe, measure it, flare the ends and happy days.
Then bleed the system, getting litres of fluid all over the place and making a mess of the drive :y
Cheers Jay. Are you about this weekend? I may take you up on the offer even if it's just a standby if the new pipe needs flaring. :y
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brake pipes are not too bad, just getting under the car to fit them can be a pain.......
I have a brake pipe flaring kit if you want to borrow it
all i have ever done in the past is cut the ends off and reuse then (so long as they are in good nick of course) get the right bore copper pipe, measure it, flare the ends and happy days.
Then bleed the system, getting litres of fluid all over the place and making a mess of the drive :y
Cheers Jay. Are you about this weekend? I may take you up on the offer even if it's just a standby if the new pipe needs flaring. :y
yeah i am at home all weekend i'll PM you my number
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brake pipes are not too bad, just getting under the car to fit them can be a pain.......
I have a brake pipe flaring kit if you want to borrow it
all i have ever done in the past is cut the ends off and reuse then (so long as they are in good nick of course) get the right bore copper pipe, measure it, flare the ends and happy days.
Then bleed the system, getting litres of fluid all over the place and making a mess of the drive :y
Cheers Jay. Are you about this weekend? I may take you up on the offer even if it's just a standby if the new pipe needs flaring. :y
yeah i am at home all weekend i'll PM you my number
Cheers mate. :y
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to stop the brake fluid going every where a simple thing is to put a layer of cling film over the reservoir and put the cap back on
hope it makes sense :-)
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to stop the brake fluid going every where a simple thing is to put a layer of cling film over the reservoir and put the cap back on
hope it makes sense :-)
Makes perfect sense Tom. :y
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just remember to take it off before trying to refill ;D
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See if your local car spares shop can make the replacements for you Martin.
Most will if you can take in the original as a pattern.
Try and ensure they use copper/nickel pipe commonly known as cunifer, its a lot easier to bend to follow the routing of your original pipe than steel and lasts longer too.
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See if your local car spares shop can make the replacements for you Martin.
Most will if you can take in the original as a pattern.
Try and ensure they use copper/nickel pipe commonly known as cunifer, its a lot easier to bend to follow the routing of your original pipe than steel and lasts longer too.
That's what I did with mine. They made it up while I waited. Then I bent it to shape which was an interesting 3D exercise (not difficult though).
I tried the cling film which worked to a degree. I also saw someone else suggesting screwing a spare bleed nipple into the point where you have removed the pipe from.
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Right guys, thanks for all your help. As usual, you're just brilliant and all good advice. I've decided not to brave the force 9 gale whilst attempting a job that I've never contemplated before, so I will replace the discs and pads, which I can do easily enough and the car is booked in at the garage to have the pipes replaced and the retest done on Monday afternoon.
When the weather improves I will have a look at the other two pipes and will replace these when I have more time.
Thanks again for all your advice and support. :y
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I have also just realised what a bummer it is having an MOT in the winter - cold , wet , dark, ugh! :(
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I have also just realised what a bummer it is having an MOT in the winter - cold , wet , dark, ugh! :(
Especially when you get the wheel off and the brake caliper and the brake disc only to find out that the motor factors has given you the wrong parts. >:(
Had to drive back to St Austell to get the replacements only find that I couldn't remember how the outside pad fitted and the spring clip came off and it was raining and blowing a gale and getting dark. >:( >:( :'( :'(
Only the offside left to do in the morning. Happy days. :(
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just remember to take it off before trying to refill ;D
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Bad news for me. The wifes 1998 Astra G failed the MOT test today. I was afraid it might fail on the emissions, given the rough idleing which I haven't sorted yet, but actually it failed on the brakes.
The report said, brake discs and pads badly worn so no problem there I can replace those easily enough. The problem is that it also says off side front brake pipe and near side rear brake pipe badly corroded. I told the garage that I would put the things right myself but I don't have a clue how to replace the brake pipes.
Can I buy the pipes ready to fit or do I need to buy a length of pipe and bend it to shape and cut it to length?
If I have to bend it myself how do I do this without kinking the pipe when I bend it?
Is this something I should be taking on myself in the first place?
Please help. I don't want to go back and ask them to do it now. :(
NO ;D ;D ;D
break off you! You know nothing about boxing and you know less than me about cars. >:(
;D ;D ;D
get in the Ring with me then Big Mouth ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
::)Will this be a pay per view fight? [smiley=evil.gif]
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So, I was up at 0800 this morning to finish the brake disc and pad replacement. Chucking it down with rain and blowing a gale still and it was still virtually dark. >:(
Since when have brake pads been handed?? i.e. different left side and right side?? Well they are for a 1998 Astra 'G'.
Once I had that sorted everything went on like a dream except for the water pouring from every surface and down the back of my coat.
Got everything put back together and decided to take the car for a SLOW brake test. Panic, I'd forgotten to pump the brake pedal before I set off so the pedal almost went to the floor. ;D
Great result, the car not only stops but also it stops in a straight line. Got back, put the car on the drive, cleared up, put all my tools away and, as if by magic, the sun came out. Still a bit blowy but it is now a beautiful day. >:( >:( >:(
The moral of this tale?
Get your MOT done in the summer and don't leave it until the day before it runs out before you get the test done. :y :y :y :y
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So, I was up at 0800 this morning to finish the brake disc and pad replacement. Chucking it down with rain and blowing a gale still and it was still virtually dark. >:(
Since when have brake pads been handed?? i.e. different left side and right side?? Well they are for a 1998 Astra 'G'.
Once I had that sorted everything went on like a dream except for the water pouring from every surface and down the back of my coat.
Got everything put back together and decided to take the car for a SLOW brake test. Panic, I'd forgotten to pump the brake pedal before I set off so the pedal almost went to the floor. ;D
Great result, the car not only stops but also it stops in a straight line. Got back, put the car on the drive, cleared up, put all my tools away and, as if by magic, the sun came out. Still a bit blowy but it is now a beautiful day. >:( >:( >:(
The moral of this tale?
Get your MOT done in the summer and don't leave it until the day before it runs out before you get the test done. :y :y :y
;D ;D ;D ;D
Well done :y
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So, I was up at 0800 this morning to finish the brake disc and pad replacement. Chucking it down with rain and blowing a gale still and it was still virtually dark. >:(
Since when have brake pads been handed?? i.e. different left side and right side?? Well they are for a 1998 Astra 'G'.
Once I had that sorted everything went on like a dream except for the water pouring from every surface and down the back of my coat.
Got everything put back together and decided to take the car for a SLOW brake test. Panic, I'd forgotten to pump the brake pedal before I set off so the pedal almost went to the floor. ;D
Great result, the car not only stops but also it stops in a straight line. Got back, put the car on the drive, cleared up, put all my tools away and, as if by magic, the sun came out. Still a bit blowy but it is now a beautiful day. >:( >:( >:(
The moral of this tale?
Get your MOT done in the summer and don't leave it until the day before it runs out before you get the test done. :y :y :y
Well Martin, sorry to hear every thing turned out well for you, :y
but was glad to hear that you got wet whilst doing the job ;D ;D ;D
It must of been a great feeling as the sun came out afterwards ::) ::) ::)
But on a serious not, Congratulations my friend, a job well done.
I didnt think you had it in you