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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: steven b on 23 October 2009, 19:06:13
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can anyone help me please, 2ooo 26.v6 omega wont start however if i keep turning it over until the battery is run down to nearly flat it starts but will only idle cant afford dealler diagnostics ,any help would be really appriciated thanks
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it could be the dis pack, but not sure is strange.
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can anyone help me please, 2ooo 26.v6 omega wont start however if i keep turning it over until the battery is run down to nearly flat it starts but will only idle cant afford dealler diagnostics ,any help would be really appriciated thanks
Hi Steve, If you could update your Profile mate that would help, because if there is someone local to you they maybe able to help you.
As for your car, do you have an EML (engine management light) on at all? When you turn it over does it attempt to fire? has it been breaking down for a while or just started to do it? any history before the problem may help :y
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will do mate, no eml comes on , tc light is on though i doubt its related , never broke down before had problems with alarm last week and had to unplug power sounder and stuff, but no problems apart from that
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immobiliser ?
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immobilizer was my first thought , but then why would it start when the battery flattens? ive never seen nothing like it .
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was it running ok before you unplugged the alarm..did the alarm keep going off...
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Ok Steve let me get this right...
You can turn your car over until the battery goes flat, then it will fire up, then run on idle?
Does it not try to fire in all this time?
When it does start if you rev it does it cut out?
Anything else that could help? :y
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yes thats exactly right. dosent even try to fire until its flat and then will happily tick over all day. when i rev it dosent cut out it moves about 100 rpm. engine sounds good when idleing, was starting before and after the alarm buisness although alarm still goes off if i plug it back in (but still wont start) :(
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why are we not thinking crank / cam sensor?
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someone suggested crank sensor but cant understand why it would start when battery goes flat, thought it just wouldnt start at all.
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someone suggested crank sensor but cant understand why it would start when battery goes flat, thought it just wouldnt start at all.
If the sensor is getting false revolutions of the crank (or intermittent / unreliable) it might just start when it gets a reading.
Do the pedal test to get the fault codes
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dont know how to do pedal test could you tell me how to do it pls
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dont know how to do pedal test could you tell me how to do it pls
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1189022687
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done the pedal test , nothing happens dosent flash :-[
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done the pedal test , nothing happens dosent flash :-[
Does it light up on start up? ie is the lamp OK?
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Has any work been done on the car recently? When did this start?
pedal trick should work. Check the drive by wire plug is plugged in on the throttle under the drop nose bit on the plenum. This caused mine not flash. Also i guess you should check the throttle position sensor on the pedal too.
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the lamp is ok it comes on briefly when car starts (battery flat)
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had new plugs thats about it , were is the drive by wire located
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the lamp is ok it comes on briefly when car starts (battery flat)
Yep, but think of the pedal trick process, your pressing the throttle pedal to the floor,assuming your doing it correctly, (and pressing the brake) the throttle circuit must be complete for the car to know your doing the pedal trick for fault codes when you turn the key to position 2. Otherwise it thinks your just starting the car normally with foot on brake, as you would an auto.
The car must know your pressing the throttle pedal as well, to know what to do. If their is an issue with the drive by wire circuit(your car does not have a throttle cable) it wont know your reading fault codes. Hence will come on at ignition but will not flash for codes as the video.
The fact it will only rev another 100 rpm when you press the pedal makes me think its a drive by wire issue. Mine was exactly the same when i left the plug off by mistake. But without the starting/battery issue. May also be that the drive by wire throttle is faulty.
Not saying its definately that as would need tech 2 to confirm but does sound possible IME
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had new plugs thats about it , were is the drive by wire located
2 throttle position sensors, one on the pedal in the footwell above the cardboard cover with 3 quarter turn clips, not likely to be unplugged by mistake but could fail.
Other is the plug on the throttle butterflys in the engine bay. Look at engine, plenum ( big silver grey lump on top with eco tech on it) has 2 inlets nearest you. Between the 2 plastic tubes with jubilee clips and plenum is the throttle body (with throttle butterflys inside) on the throttle body drivers side is a plastic half moon shape, that is the drive by wire actuated throttle, under neith there is the connecter plug which feeds from the cable tray running down passenger side by oil filler iirc. If thats left unplugged after the plenum has been off, or what ever reason, or fails i guess, it will not respond to the pedal, bar 100 rpm or so as you say.
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checked were you said, all pluged in and intact,starting to think maybe i would be better off scraping it as there is a good chance its gonna cost more than its worth to get it fixed, :'(
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checked were you said, all pluged in and intact,starting to think maybe i would be better off scraping it as there is a good chance its gonna cost more than its worth to get it fixed, :'(
No no no, just needs diagnosing properly by someone more experienced than the likes of me is all, can be done cheaply via the forum trouble is your in Liverpool, not sure if there is a tech 2 near you thats not a dealer.
Can anyone help near Liverpool?
When did this start by the way? Directly after plugs changed maybe? Or did it just start playing up out of the blue?
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was day after plug change it started , it ran fine all day after the change though, still ive checked and double checked in case i disturbed something when changing them, all looks fine,
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just thought to check fuel pressure and there is none at all , although there is fuel its not jeting like it was when i removed pipe for plug change, what could this mean ?
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Firstly, there are 2 engine management lights. One with a picture of an engine and one with a picture of a spanner (IIRC). Can't remember which one the pedal test flashes but if there are no codes stored the light should flash constantly. If you are not seeing this the light is faulty.
You won't see fuel pressure unless the ECU can see the engine cranking. Given that it's not starting no fuel pressure might not be such a clue. I would say crank sensor is a suspect. Drive by wire system could also be stopping it revving but getting the fault codes will be key.
Kevin
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its the car symbol with the spanner through it that flashes the codes out....
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auto spark has told me the ecu is fried, didnt know the car can still run with a fried ecu, but he knows more than me i suppose . thanx for the help anyway guys , apreciated, im off to try an find a cheap ecu :-?. thanks again, ste
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How did he come by his diagnosis, Tech2, "My Naff Code Reader", crystal ball or just guesswork?
I'd be wanting a bit more than a quick it's the ecu before I replaced one.
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How did he come by his diagnosis, Tech2, "My Naff Code Reader",crystal ball or just guesswork?
I'd be wanting a bit more than a quick it's the ecu before I replaced one.
PMSL ;D ;D ;D
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just a small sugestion have you tried changing key fobs if you have a spare
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he said it wont comunicate even with vauxhall tech. and the em light isnt on, but does work and thats how he knows , dont tell me ive been hudwinked again
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if thats true....far more likely to be a dodgy connector on the diag port.
try a different reader, some are more prone to experiencing dodgy connectors than others.
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thats the 3rd diagnostic its had . it just wont interact with them. and they all want paying even when they tell me nothing new.