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Title: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 15:58:54
Has anyone had a proper look at one? Is it just a fancier version of the slip-ring set up for the horn having another ring each for the airbag & radio controls?
If anyone has seen one, do you reckon you could add radio controls to a non radio wheel?
The clue for why is here .....  ::)
clicky (http://cgi.ebay.de/Irmscher-Sport-Wurzelholzlook-Lederlenkrad-Opel-Omega-B_W0QQitemZ230395646497QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item35a4a69221)

If GM managed to convert the wheel to accept radio controls ..... how hard could it be?  :-?  ;D   ;D
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Welung666 on 07 November 2009, 16:01:25
You should be able to swop out the ring and loom in the steering wheel to accept the audio buttons
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: tunnie on 07 November 2009, 16:05:00
safety is the main concern here, buttons / wires have to be well clear of any airbag operators
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 16:45:12
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safety is the main concern here, buttons / wires have to be well clear of any airbag operators

 :-?  :-?
I'm talking about making an early preface lift car's wheel without controls to be like the wheel in yours & my car with controls where they are obvioulsy next/near to each other.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: tunnie on 07 November 2009, 16:47:07
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safety is the main concern here, buttons / wires have to be well clear of any airbag operators

 :-?  :-?
I'm talking about making an early preface lift car's wheel without controls to be like the wheel in yours & my car with controls where they are obvioulsy next/near to each other.

Er yes i know that cause the photo showed no steering wheel controls.

But that whole front facia blasts off when the airbag goes off, so you want to make sure the airbag design was not changed either, and also make sure the buttons retro fitted do not get in the way!

Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: tunnie on 07 November 2009, 17:01:50


Pre-facelift, note sides where cover joins wheel:

(http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/11/web/275000-275999/275300_46_full.jpg)

Facelift (similar story with mini-facelift button position), notice again the join

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/astralogie/Omega/100_2306.jpg)


Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 November 2009, 17:22:16
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Like the one already in my car?

Transferring the air-bag too?

Tunnie, it sounds asthough Andy is thinking of changing a pre facelift wooden steering wheel to fit his car. He would change the airbad etc so it would look like a mini facelift steering wheel.
Think you may have the wrong end of the stick mate.... although I do think its funny ;D
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Jimbob on 07 November 2009, 17:30:41
Play nicely please.

Andy asked for legitimate help, not patronising.


trimming
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 17:32:08
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Play nicely please.

Andy asked for legitimate help, not patronising.


trimming

 :y  :y  :y  :y  :y
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Jimbob on 07 November 2009, 17:34:02
not taking sides.....both of you have posts deleted.

back on topic please.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 17:39:02
I am also quite interested in this topic,as I have recently aquired an Irmscher wood/leather wheel without radio controls with the intention of trying a retro fit.
I intended comong up with a fixing for the side radio controls and using my original airbag and fittings.
Does this sound a doable option ?
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 07 November 2009, 18:25:41
The connections to the wheel don't use a slip ring, it uses a "clock spring" type system which can be wound either way several full turns but not continually. Slip rings tend to be very expensive to make and are used for things like radar which need to turn continually.

HTH
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 18:28:19
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The connections to the wheel don't use a slip ring, it uses a "clock spring" type system which can be wound either way several full turns but not continually. Slip rings tend to be very expensive to make and are used for things like radar which need to turn continually.

HTH

Thanks Robert. I've never looked on this car, but I'm sure that there was a very simple slip ring type set up on a previous car for just the horn push to earth with.  :y
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 07 November 2009, 18:32:30
You're welcome.

Thinking about it, if the objective is to add to a pre facelift model then take the parts from a scrap mini or facelift model and use the additional connections intended for the audio controls.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 19:44:14
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You're welcome.

Thinking about it, if the objective is to add to a pre facelift model then take the parts from a scrap mini or facelift model and use the additional connections intended for the audio controls.

I'd like a 'wooden' Irmscher steering wheel, however they all seem to be for the earlier prefacelift cars without radio controls. I have a minifacelift car with the controls ....blah blah blah!  ;) Si I thought that if Vauxhall could add them to a normal leather wheel, it might be possible to fit them to a 'wooden' wheel.
If Graham would sell me his .........  ::)  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 20:33:40
I will let you know my progress,AndyB,as I have aquired a wooden wheel without radio controls.
My intention is to fit all the bits from a standard "minifacelift"leather wheel to the new wheel and then transplant onto the car.
Also see from Tunnies picture you can get faux wooden handle insets..looks interesting !!
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 20:38:05
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Also see from Tunnies picture you can get faux wooden handle insets..looks interesting !!

oooh yes! I never noticed them.

I'm waiting for gstylebaby to turn his back so I can nick his chrome edged interior handles!  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  :y
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Omegatoy on 07 November 2009, 20:47:15
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You're welcome.

Thinking about it, if the objective is to add to a pre facelift model then take the parts from a scrap mini or facelift model and use the additional connections intended for the audio controls.

I'd like a 'wooden' Irmscher steering wheel, however they all seem to be for the earlier prefacelift cars without radio controls. I have a minifacelift car with the controls ....blah blah blah!  ;) Si I thought that if Vauxhall could add them to a normal leather wheel, it might be possible to fit them to a 'wooden' wheel.
If Graham would sell me his .........  ::)  ::)  ::)

lolol as it happens mate, I may be taking it off when i get back to spain, and putting the original back on!! so tell me the plan on how you think you can put the audio controls etc onto the early wheel??? cos i wouldnt want it butchered as its such a rare piece of kit!! :o
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 20:51:26
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 so tell me the plan on how you think you can put the audio controls etc onto the early wheel??? cos i wouldnt want it butchered as its such a rare piece of kit!! :o

I thought yours had the audio controls!  :-/ Obviously not if you say that.
I was just thinking outloud really, considering that 'wooden' wheels without controls are easier to get hold of, apparently the 'wooden' minifacelift wheels are even rarer than rocking horse poo & hen's teeth put togther. I just thought that if Vauxhall managed to do it, they would have try to do it as easily as they could ..... so altering one might be viable.  :y  :y
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 November 2009, 20:51:56
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You're welcome.

Thinking about it, if the objective is to add to a pre facelift model then take the parts from a scrap mini or facelift model and use the additional connections intended for the audio controls.

I'd like a 'wooden' Irmscher steering wheel, however they all seem to be for the earlier prefacelift cars without radio controls. I have a minifacelift car with the controls ....blah blah blah!  ;) Si I thought that if Vauxhall could add them to a normal leather wheel, it might be possible to fit them to a 'wooden' wheel.
If Graham would sell me his .........  ::)  ::)  ::)

lolol as it happens mate, I may be taking it off when i get back to spain, and putting the original back on!! so tell me the plan on how you think you can put the audio controls etc onto the early wheel??? cos i wouldnt want it butchered as its such a rare piece of kit!! :o

If the "Old Timer" is after buying it from you mate i will bid higher than him ;), then Tunnie will out bid us all ;D
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Omegatoy on 07 November 2009, 20:54:06
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You're welcome.

Thinking about it, if the objective is to add to a pre facelift model then take the parts from a scrap mini or facelift model and use the additional connections intended for the audio controls.

I'd like a 'wooden' Irmscher steering wheel, however they all seem to be for the earlier prefacelift cars without radio controls. I have a minifacelift car with the controls ....blah blah blah!  ;) Si I thought that if Vauxhall could add them to a normal leather wheel, it might be possible to fit them to a 'wooden' wheel.
If Graham would sell me his .........  ::)  ::)  ::)

lolol as it happens mate, I may be taking it off when i get back to spain, and putting the original back on!! so tell me the plan on how you think you can put the audio controls etc onto the early wheel??? cos i wouldnt want it butchered as its such a rare piece of kit!! :o

If the "Old Timer" is after buying it from you mate i will bid higher than him ;), then Tunnie will out bid us all ;D

Hmm how about an OOF auction? highest bidder wins I could make a few quid here!! :y ;D
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 20:56:47
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If the "Old Timer" is after buying it from you mate i will bid higher than him ;), then Tunnie will out bid us all ;D

Steady!!!!  ::)  ;D   ;D
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 20:58:16
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You're welcome.

Thinking about it, if the objective is to add to a pre facelift model then take the parts from a scrap mini or facelift model and use the additional connections intended for the audio controls.

I'd like a 'wooden' Irmscher steering wheel, however they all seem to be for the earlier prefacelift cars without radio controls. I have a minifacelift car with the controls ....blah blah blah!  ;) Si I thought that if Vauxhall could add them to a normal leather wheel, it might be possible to fit them to a 'wooden' wheel.
If Graham would sell me his .........  ::)  ::)  ::)

lolol as it happens mate, I may be taking it off when i get back to spain, and putting the original back on!! so tell me the plan on how you think you can put the audio controls etc onto the early wheel??? cos i wouldnt want it butchered as its such a rare piece of kit!! :o

If the "Old Timer" is after buying it from you mate i will bid higher than him ;), then Tunnie will out bid us all ;D

Hmm how about an OOF auction? highest bidder wins I could make a few quid here!! :y ;D

There's this .... clicky (http://cgi.ebay.de/Omega-B-Irmscher-Wurzelholzlenkrad_W0QQitemZ270479340759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item3ef9d334d7) too. Is there a difference? I nicht sprechen German but they seem a different colour of 'wood'  :-/
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 November 2009, 21:00:25
I think that looks like it Andy :-?
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 November 2009, 21:01:29
They are available with the controls for the mini facelift, I bought this one for my old Elite Estate

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/pickledpepper/DSCF0005-5.jpg)
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 21:02:59
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They are available with the controls for the mini facelift, I bought this one for my old Elite Estate

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/pickledpepper/DSCF0005-5.jpg)

But they very very rarely come up for sale though.  :(
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 21:08:56
So where is the issues with fitting the audio controls to the older style wheel then ?agree it doesn,t have the fixings for the side control pads but that cannot be that difficult to get around,even with fitting a threaded sleeve into the body of the wheel..then surely the audio style fitted air bag etc will just be fitted onto the old style wheel and wired up from the car ..jobs a good,n then ?
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 21:12:34
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So where is the issues with fitting the audio controls to the older style wheel then ?.......

Wiring up to something that's continually turning back & forth.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 21:15:06
Elite Pete...just noticed your picture with the waeco heated seat contol fitted on the light switch console...wher did you fit the passenger side one then ?and did you ever get them all working with the leather interior.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 21:20:45
AndyB...so does another part need to be fitted to the steering wheel body then?
Am I missing the point here then ?...remove existing minifacelift wheel with audio control..replace on same car with wheel with no radio controls..then just fit the audio controls to newly fitted wheel(making some holes to take fittings)...or am I having a senior moment ...again ?
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 November 2009, 21:22:27
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Elite Pete...just noticed your picture with the waeco heated seat contol fitted on the light switch console...wher did you fit the passenger side one then ?and did you ever get them all working with the leather interior.
That was there when I bought the car, it wasn't wired up to anything though.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 21:29:20
Looked quite a sensible mounting place...I was also thinking about fitting mine on the center arm rest area where the satnav toggle was fitted,as quite an easy route for the wires to each seat.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 21:37:24
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AndyB...so does another part need to be fitted to the steering wheel body then? .......

I don't know .... that's why I asked. But the wiring from the moving switches needs to connect to the stationary column somehow.  :-/ ;)
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 21:39:31
Is it not already there ?just undo wheel and refit.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: gstylebaby on 07 November 2009, 21:39:42
From the look of it if you take the air bag off and look at the wheel itself the insides are cut away and the controls sit in there and stick out off the sides and then the airbag fits back in place i think  :-/ :-/ So could you not just cut a peace at sides away or drill a hole big enough to get the wireing though and then glue or grub screw the controls on the side just an idea like andy says thinking out loud.....
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: gstylebaby on 07 November 2009, 21:41:49
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Also see from Tunnies picture you can get faux wooden handle insets..looks interesting !!

oooh yes! I never noticed them.

I'm waiting for gstylebaby to turn his back so I can nick his chrome edged interior handles!  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  :y
;D ;D ;D Still keeping my eye out for you andy and i think marky marks after a set.  :y
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 21:42:21
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From the look of it if you take the air bag off and look at the wheel itself the insides are cut away and the controls sit in there and stick out off the sides and then the airbag fits back in place i think  :-/ :-/ So could you not just cut a peace at sides away or drill a hole big enough to get the wireing though and then glue or grub screw the controls on the side just an idea like andy says thinking out loud.....

I dn't think the mounting of the switches will be as much a problem as it will be making the electrical connection from the switches.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 21:42:50
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Also see from Tunnies picture you can get faux wooden handle insets..looks interesting !!

oooh yes! I never noticed them.

I'm waiting for gstylebaby to turn his back so I can nick his chrome edged interior handles!  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  :y
;D ;D ;D Still keeping my eye out for you andy and i think marky marks after a set.  :y

 :y  :y  :y  :y ;D
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 21:44:27
If you sat the 2 wheels side by side ..the one with audio controls and the one without..what is the difference appart from no fixing points for the side audio controls ?..If it is just that then it cannot be a real problem and I can,t see why anything would require cutting about...unless the airbag fittings differ from one wheel to the other .
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 22:00:57
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If you sat the 2 wheels side by side ..the one with audio controls and the one without..what is the difference appart from no fixing points for the side audio controls ?..If it is just that then it cannot be a real problem and I can,t see why anything would require cutting about...unless the airbag fittings differ from one wheel to the other .

how do you pass a wire from the audio controls that are turning through to the static column. If the originals didn't have audio controls, there seems to me no reason for Vauxhall to have fitted a way if they then didn't use it.
This wa the whole point of my original post. If anyone had actually looked at the squib, did they think it was possible .....
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 22:20:22
Is the electrical squib on the column the main issue then ?or does the wheel have a squib fitted to its base as looking at the wheel I have in the shed it appears just like any other just without the audio button fixing screws holes
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 22:31:53
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Is the electrical squib on the column the main issue then ?or does the wheel have a squib fitted to its base as looking at the wheel I have in the shed it appears just like any other just without the audio button fixing screws holes

I really don't know.  :-/ Perhaps you are right & it's just a case of adding the actual switches .......  :-/
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 22:36:56
I will have a good look at my existing wheel and fittings in the week and see what is going on.
Whilst I accept VX would have not made extra bits unless there was a use,I am really at a loss to understand why it would not just be possible to unbolt one and refit another as all the electrical bits are there and when you remove the steering wheel all you take off is the electrical connecting plugs then the main bolt.....still would like to find out where those wooden door catch covers in Tunnies picture came from....never ever seen them before.
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: Andy B on 07 November 2009, 22:43:17
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..........still would like to find out where those wooden door catch covers in Tunnies picture came from....never ever seen them before.

Sticky backed plastic?????   ::)  ::)
(http://www.fablon.co.uk/Images/Fablon%20Classic/Rolls.jpg)
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 07 November 2009, 23:06:39
Like the one with smarties on...perhaps i could do the steering wheel the same ?
Title: Re: steering wheel squib
Post by: amba on 25 November 2009, 13:30:52
Well I can confirm you cannot fit audio controls from a post 1998 steering wheel to a pre 1998 wheel that never had them originally.
The internal body of the steering wheel is different and would require extensive cutting about just to get the audio buttons to sit correctly..you then have the problems of screw fitting them to the wheel and finally the airbag cover is also different.
So conclusion is a no go...pity as the prospect of a wooden irmscher style wheel was quite tempting....I will have to keep looking .