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Title: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 10:24:21
Is soaking again! Front passenger carpet is bone dry, scuttle drain is also totally clear. Rear door seal looks fine I cannot see any trace of water coming in from that. I really have no idea where this water is coming in from. ::)
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: Jimbob on 15 December 2009, 10:25:42
Been carrying the dogs?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 10:29:59
not for a while  ;D

Its a very damp smell, not very doggy! Its i worst in the bottom right corner of the footwell, towards the front under the front seat its still dry.

I can only think someone years ago before i had it spilt a huge amount of water or something down there which soaked into the insulating foam.

The carpet around the sill appears dry  :-/
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 10:31:09
should add the car does not steam up or anything when left or when driving, so i don't notice it unless i look under the rear matt, its seriously wet underneath that  :(
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: Ken L on 15 December 2009, 10:36:02
Is perhaps getting in from underneath with all the wet weather? maybe through a drain hole, or a grommet gone missing?....just a thought, had this in the past.
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 10:39:36
thats the only place it can be getting in, i'll jack the back up tonight and take a look  :y
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: robson on 15 December 2009, 11:01:57
There is certainly a grommet under the back footwell might be that This probably wont help but I recently cleaned out my scuttle air intack well behind the pollen filter with a hose and got water in the fan housing which found its way to the back footwell not much in the front footwell but a lot in the back To get rid of the smell I tried various sprays after drying out with a hair dryer  but had to replace the underfelt to obtain success.
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: rustym95 on 15 December 2009, 11:10:14
dose yours have them plastic clip in the carpet holds down the carpet, and the plastic pin can fall out and leave a hole to the out side.
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 11:11:18
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There is certainly a grommet under the back footwell might be that This probably wont help but I recently cleaned out my scuttle air intack well behind the pollen filter with a hose and got water in the fan housing which found its way to the back footwell not much in the front footwell but a lot in the back To get rid of the smell I tried various sprays after drying out with a hair dryer  but had to replace the underfelt to obtain success.

How did you do that, spray with the hose behind the pollen filter?

I have not cleaned the scuttle for ages, although i inspect it quite often so know its clear.  Infact i don't think i cleaned it since i last Vaxed it and got all the water out.

I'll check for this grommit tonight, if is is leaking, will there be any problems sealing it with some goo of some kind? Does this gromit need to 'breath'?
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 11:12:46
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dose yours have them plastic clip in the carpet holds down the carpet, and the plastic pin can fall out and leave a hole to the out side.

Really?  :o - All that stands between the outside 100mph 70 mph motorway crap going underneath the car is stopped by that? I would have thought that would be attached to the sound proof stuff, not into the metal work?  :-/

It does have the clips in the floor, but the mats i have in the back (geniune GM) don't have the holes so never used them.

Really need to get unneath to investigate, which i might do at lunch time today  :y
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: feeutfo on 15 December 2009, 11:16:01
are the ac drains clear? Do you see 2 drips/ puddles under the car with ac on? Just wonder if its baking up.
Have you checked the door membrane is still sealed?
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 11:19:29
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are the ac drains clear? Do you see 2 drips/ puddles under the car with ac on? Just wonder if its baking up.
Have you checked the door membrane is still sealed?

I have seen puddles under the car, usually after an oil change as i leave the car running in the garage for a bit. But i will double check again.

Door seals look fine, there is dirt in the seals which has not moved, and does not point to any water ingress. Around the plastic sills too there is no apparent water intake, the carpet towards the door is dry, its just the bottom corner on the right (closest to the drive shaft tunnel)
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: rustym95 on 15 December 2009, 11:27:12
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dose yours have them plastic clip in the carpet holds down the carpet, and the plastic pin can fall out and leave a hole to the out side.

Really?  :o - All that stands between the outside 100mph 70 mph motorway crap going underneath the car is stopped by that? I would have thought that would be attached to the sound proof stuff, not into the metal work?  :-/

It does have the clips in the floor, but the mats i have in the back (geniune GM) don't have the holes so never used them.

Really need to get unneath to investigate, which i might do at lunch time today  :y
the one that fell out on mine was straight through got new one for 10p inch and half round top with like slim figerd woman that clips in to the plastic bit in the carpet, need some one to hold down the carpet so can be pushed in, the reseal the out side.
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: robson on 15 December 2009, 12:05:53
The grommet in the back footwell on mine was ok but I still covered it in underseal to be sure
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 14:19:47
sorry about the crap photo, took it on my phone, but should this hole be dripping water? Rest of the car is dry (as the drive to work was)

This was taken towards the middle of the car, rear passenger footwell....

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/Misc/hole.jpg)
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: rustym95 on 15 December 2009, 14:35:52
looks like the retainer clip has poped out and the hoe has rusted.
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 14:45:52
any suggestions for some goo i can use to plug the hole? (ooo errr  ;D)
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: Agemo on 15 December 2009, 16:04:33
I would be tempted to put a nut & bolt in, then underseal it.  :-/
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 16:09:42
i am thinking something metal + araldite
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: seosamh on 15 December 2009, 18:23:11
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Is soaking again! Front passenger carpet is bone dry, scuttle drain is also totally clear. Rear door seal looks fine I cannot see any trace of water coming in from that. I really have no idea where this water is coming in from. ::)
had the same prob, all four grommets where off mine,smelled like a sewer. wadding in all floor wells was acting like a sponge. i got rid of wadding and front under rubber,put a bead of silicone around drain holes ,replaced grommets, the excess silicone that oozed out i spread back over the top edges of grommet,replaced underlay with standard carpet underlay(works perfect) changed carpets....smell gone and no leaks.make sure ye check all four grommets if ye miss one the smell will not leave
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 18:53:04
Sorry should have said, cabin smells okay.  Its just the water in the footwell that smells. Other Wells are okay but will check grommits. what sealant dis you use?
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: seosamh on 15 December 2009, 18:58:53
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Sorry should have said, cabin smells okay.  Its just the water in the footwell that smells. Other Wells are okay but will check grommits. what sealant dis you use?
standard clear silicone sealant, yea same as mine, water in footwell was horrible, mine must have been wet for a while before i bought it, cabin was smelly every morning

i cant work out why grommets where out in the first place, i got four off a doner car and had to dig them out off their protective tar-like cover
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 21:54:07
had another look when i got back, drivers side has the grommit, passenger side does not  >:(

No idea why that is missing, would explain why after i vaxed it, it stayed dry over the summer, but is now soaking again.

At least i found the cause, will pick up some sealant tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: Andy B on 15 December 2009, 22:00:23
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had another look when i got back, drivers side has the grommit, passenger side does not  >:(

No idea why that is missing, would explain why after i vaxed it, it stayed dry over the summer, but is now soaking again.

At least i found the cause, will pick up some sealant tomorrow  :)

Are you sure that the previous owner didn't remove the plug to let water OUT?  :-? ;)
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 22:05:50
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had another look when i got back, drivers side has the grommit, passenger side does not  >:(

No idea why that is missing, would explain why after i vaxed it, it stayed dry over the summer, but is now soaking again.

At least i found the cause, will pick up some sealant tomorrow  :)

Are you sure that the previous owner didn't remove the plug to let water OUT?  :-? ;)

Its a clean hole, no damage around the tar like protection underneath, but its posssible. Maybe someone spilt large amount of fluid in there and they decided to take it out, but never put it back in? :-?

Also looking at Silcone sealant, all seams to be that bathroom stuff, would that be man enough to cope with the elements?  :-/
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: Andy B on 15 December 2009, 23:02:28
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Also looking at Silcone sealant, all seams to be that bathroom stuff, would that be man enough to cope with the elements?  :-/

I believe it's not a good idea to use silicon, better off using mastic for caravans etc
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: tunnie on 15 December 2009, 23:04:29
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Also looking at Silcone sealant, all seams to be that bathroom stuff, would that be man enough to cope with the elements?  :-/

I believe it's not a good idea to use silicon, better off using mastic for caravans etc

Watch your language  ;D
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: rustym95 on 15 December 2009, 23:29:37
black putty get it a little packet, water seal, hardens like filler, but flexable, bit like rubber. 50p most car stores.
Title: Re: rear passenger footwell
Post by: robson on 16 December 2009, 10:02:27
I use Tetroseal underbody sealant I would also put some inside the car just cover with a bit of plastic film to stop it sticking to carpet or underfelt.