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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: jack68 on 13 January 2010, 12:10:26
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The Mig has just passed it's MOT again so very happy. It had a couple of advisory notices and the only one i'm not able to do myself without guidance is the front suspension arm has a slight bit of play in the pin/bush. I'm not bad at DIY but is it do able and if so anyone got any advice and part numbers that i'll need. Before i go i assume it's better to change both sides at the same time.
Jack
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That sounds like wishbone....for which we have a maintenance guide
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And here it is
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152986949
Hope it helps.
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Slight play isn't about to fall apart, so could probably wait until better weather :y
You will need to get the geometry reset afterwards too.
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couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price. 230 a side from vx, 110 a pair from a factor. There are numerous cheap makes on ebay, but its not clear exactly which of these makes are reliable.
Also make sure the bolts are tightened correctly with suspension loaded or on the ground.
May also be worth confirming the advisory does relate to wishbones, slightly unusual description perhaps?
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couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price. ......
This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks ;) ;D. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz ;). A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec. ;) :y
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.
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Listen to Andy B!
To get a genuine VX part that will last you buy from VX. If you want a cheaper clone aftermarket one then buy it from anywhere else.
Here is my tale of woe that might be of help in your decision! Firstly I live in an area where the roads are poor to say the least. Leicester City Council is renowned for punishing of the motorist in every way it can! After a mot advisory that the ns one was showing its age I opted to change them both because the originals had been on for 150000 miles from new.
I bought a wishbone from VX and a second some weeks later from a Motor Factor of good repute (or so they say). I did that because money was tight at the time (I had just paid my council tax) The VX one is still going strong after 10+K while the clone I had to change again after a few thousand when the ball joint failed and started to clunk. They were in different sealed plastic bags too, the VX one was made in Germany and in a GM labelled bag, the clone came in a nondescript bag with only the part number on it. The difference in cost was about 20 quids or so.
Says it all I think.
GudLuk
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Just discovered my front wishbone bushes have seen better days. Can someone be really helpful and look up the Vx TC price for the pair on a F/L ?
Reminds me, must send off my ABS renewal tomorrow.....
Cheers !
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Just discovered my front wishbone bushes have seen better days. Can someone be really helpful and look up the Vx TC price for the pair on a F/L ?
Reminds me, must send off my ABS renewal tomorrow.....
Cheers !
IIRCC Wishbones aren't on TC.
Buy Lemforder ones for £110ish per side... They are good quality and will last :y :y
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In danger of showing my complete numptyness on the omega, lots of talk about 'the wishbones' does it just have one per side at the front ? I always thought wishbones were in an upper and lower pair so two per side (this is how it works on my TVR)
Stupid question I am sure, but thats how we learn ::)
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In danger of showing my complete numptyness on the omega, lots of talk about 'the wishbones' does it just have one per side at the front ? I always thought wishbones were in an upper and lower pair so two per side (this is how it works on my TVR)
Stupid question I am sure, but thats how we learn ::)
A fair question imo, one wishbone per side, lower i supose you might say. Also might say its a more basic design, simpler to work on too, compared to some i've seen at least.
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Listen to Andy B!
To get a genuine VX part that will last you buy from VX. If you want a cheaper clone aftermarket one then buy it from anywhere else.
Here is my tale of woe that might be of help in your decision! Firstly I live in an area where the roads are poor to say the least. Leicester City Council is renowned for punishing of the motorist in every way it can! After a mot advisory that the ns one was showing its age I opted to change them both because the originals had been on for 150000 miles from new.
I bought a wishbone from VX and a second some weeks later from a Motor Factor of good repute (or so they say). I did that because money was tight at the time (I had just paid my council tax) The VX one is still going strong after 10+K while the clone I had to change again after a few thousand when the ball joint failed and started to clunk. They were in different sealed plastic bags too, the VX one was made in Germany and in a GM labelled bag, the clone came in a nondescript bag with only the part number on it. The difference in cost was about 20 quids or so.
Says it all I think.
GudLuk
the industry wide advice is to change wishbones, or any suspension parts, in pairs. To be specific, a pair that are the same as each other, not an odd pair, hence not a pair at all.
ps listen to B if you want, but you wont find wishbones in a supermarket. ;D (wtf? ;D)
the point of my original post was that there have been numerous early failures with various "cheap makes" of wishbones, as you have clearly dicovered. Lemforder are, to my knowledge, the most reliable supplier, mostly because they supply them to gm!....and can be had from a factors for £110 a pair, as apposed to £460 a pair PLUS VAT FROM VX for the exact same part. Yes you can buy cheaper bones but odds are the job will need doing again soon, mainly because nobody in their right mind is going to stand up on here and guarantee a £50 pair of wishbones are going to last more than 3 months never mind 3 years, again, for reasons you have discovered.
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couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price. ......
This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks ;) ;D. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz ;). A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec. ;) :y
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.
How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?
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I replaced mine on monday with a pair of QH ones from my local motor factors for £101.89 including vat. They look like they are really good quality (especially when compared to the cheap and nasty ones that I put on my car a few months ago from eBay) and according to the salesman all QH products come with a 12 month warrenty. I have used other QH products in the past without any problems.
Has anybody else used QH wishbones?
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couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price. ......
This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks ;) ;D. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz ;). A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec. ;) :y
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.
How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?
Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.
Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.
:y :y
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Just oredered a pair of these from gm today. £130 each with vauxhall employee discount.
They are only made in germany now & have oil filled bushes not rubber like the cheap ones.
I work in car plants and factories that make parts for car plants. Worked in SPL (special products lemforder) birmingham) for ABB robotics welding these omega wishbones about 8-9 years ago, wished I'd nicked some!!!!!!!!!!!!
::)
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Just oredered a pair of these from gm today. £130 each with vauxhall employee discount.
They are only made in germany now & have oil filled bushes not rubber like the cheap ones.
I work in car plants and factories that make parts for car plants. Worked in SPL (special products lemforder) birmingham) for ABB robotics welding these omega wishbones about 8-9 years ago, wished I'd nicked some!!!!!!!!!!!!
::)
wow, a substantial saving...lets hope they are Waitrose not Asda quality. ::)
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couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price. ......
This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks ;) ;D. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz ;). A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec. ;) :y
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.
How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?
Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.
Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.
:y :y
if the question was related to supermarket shopping then yes, relevant.
However given the the subject as lemforder wishbones and the "choice" is not an option, i suggest the entire point is meaningless imo.
Still, maybe we should add it to the guide, if you think it relevent?
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couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price. ......
This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks ;) ;D. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz ;). A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec. ;) :y
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.
How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?
Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.
Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.
:y :y
if the question was related to supermarket shopping then yes, relevant.
However given the the subject as lemforder wishbones and the "choice" is not an option, i suggest the entire point is meaningless imo.
Still, maybe we should add it to the guide, if you think it relevent?
You OK tonight Chris? Seem a bit baity :-? :-?
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couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price. ......
This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks ;) ;D. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz ;). A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec. ;) :y
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.
How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?
Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.
Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.
:y :y
if the question was related to supermarket shopping then yes, relevant.
However given the the subject as lemforder wishbones and the "choice" is not an option, i suggest the entire point is meaningless imo.
Still, maybe we should add it to the guide, if you think it relevent?
You OK tonight Chris? Seem a bit baity :-? :-?
growing tired of the pedantic and moral high ground atitudes on here tbh.
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long gone are the days when car manufacturers used different suppliers for the same part. they use 1 supplier for a specific part, negotiate a price at the beginning of it's life then demand a cost reduction year on year for the life of the part on that vehicle. if, as been claimed, lemforder are OEM of the wishbones then they will be identical to GMs possibly without the logo as per their original contract.
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There is also the other end of the spectrum i.e. me, I can't afford to buy everything at Vx as I am on a budget to say the least.Yes I love my car but when it only cost me £350 with tax and test until April there are some things that will take a bit of a cut and that will be replacement parts.I know in the long run it will work out the same or cheaper to buy vx bits but it is a case of what I can afford at the time.As long as I can take advice on this forum to keep my state running to the best of my ability then I will keep doing what I am doing.I hope I haven't got everyone sucking their teeth with disgust but it is all I can afford to do.
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There is also the other end of the spectrum i.e. me, I can't afford to buy everything at Vx as I am on a budget to say the least.Yes I love my car but when it only cost me £350 with tax and test until April there are some things that will take a bit of a cut and that will be replacement parts.I know in the long run it will work out the same or cheaper to buy vx bits but it is a case of what I can afford at the time.As long as I can take advice on this forum to keep my state running to the best of my ability then I will keep doing what I am doing.I hope I haven't got everyone sucking their teeth with disgust but it is all I can afford to do.
No problems with that... The only thing that really does have to be genuine is the Crank Sensor :y :y
Incidentally, there are several things which are cheaper genuine than pattern... Oil and filter come in at around £12, as long as you can buy 4 5L cans at once :y :y
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couple of mentions, would suggest lemforder wishbones from a factors, they make them for gm who simply double the price. ......
This kind of statement is often quoted eg Whatever is made by XXXXX who supply YYYYYY. While this might very well be true, just because company XXXXX makes whatever, it's not always the same as the branded part. M & S Cola is made by Barrs (makers of the vile Irn Bru) but it's different from other colas & other vile drinks ;) ;D. Heinz makes HP beans .... but they're a different recipe from Heinz's beanz ;). A local maker of tissue paper makes for the branded names, but also makes for the likes of Tesco etc. Branded names have one spec and A N Other have a lesser spec made to a lesser price ie if they're making for Branded firm & a spanner gets in the works, then they're making to a supermarket spec. ;) :y
While I've no experience of other makers of wishbone bushes you can't always go off who makes them.
How does this help the op Andy? If you have more reliable advice to offer him perhaps might be helpfull to type that instead?
Its a fair, if perhaps a tad longwinded, response to a serious question, in my opinion.
Lemfoder may not be the best example to use in this particular argument as they are of generally known good quality but AndyB's observation remains fair.
:y :y
if the question was related to supermarket shopping then yes, relevant.
However given the the subject as lemforder wishbones and the "choice" is not an option, i suggest the entire point is meaningless imo.
Still, maybe we should add it to the guide, if you think it relevent?
You OK tonight Chris? Seem a bit baity :-? :-?
growing tired of the pedantic and moral high ground atitudes on here tbh.
Yep... I can understand that. But, to be fair, Andy made a valid point with regards to some items but not Wishbones... Lemforder ones have been proven to be reliable :y :y
I must admit, I'm impressed with my cheap ones off ebay but wouldn't recommend them as a serious part :y :y
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Thanks LD as long as I am not commiting a cardinal sin and making people turn there noses up at me and my state because as I said earlier I love my car it does more than I could ever imagine for the price and most of the work I can do myself with the excellent help offered on these humble pages.
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Thanks LD as long as I am not commiting a cardinal sin and making people turn there noses up at me and my state because as I said earlier I love my car it does more than I could ever imagine for the price and most of the work I can do myself with the excellent help offered on these humble pages.
You're not the only person maintaining the car on a tight budget :y :y
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There is also the other end of the spectrum i.e. me, I can't afford to buy everything at Vx as I am on a budget to say the least.Yes I love my car but when it only cost me £350 with tax and test until April there are some things that will take a bit of a cut and that will be replacement parts.I know in the long run it will work out the same or cheaper to buy vx bits but it is a case of what I can afford at the time.As long as I can take advice on this forum to keep my state running to the best of my ability then I will keep doing what I am doing.I hope I haven't got everyone sucking their teeth with disgust but it is all I can afford to do.
agree totally, we're all in that boat too i suspect. To me there are 3 sources for these parts;
vx, a total rip off
lemforder, the cheapest reliable source afaik.
50 sobs a pair jobs from ebay or the like. copies basickly.
cheapest are the copies, and heres the thing, these are a gamble at very best. Some simply fail early, 3 months or so, even when torqued correctly, others seem to last a year or so. Not bad some might say. I dont agree, esp if you paid to have them fitted. 2x parts 2x labour in a year is not cheap in any way. A false economy. Now, others may say their copy bones have lasted years, 3 even. Great, a cheaper source perhaps? Trouble is nobody can quote a makers name for these, and even if they could, can we be sure they are still sound as suggested, or have they also failed and gone unoticed as they often do?
So it a no brainer imo. And is the recommended route for as long as i've been a member as far as i'm concerned. Lemforder from a non dealer source is the cheapest reliable route. To suggest otherwise, esp. from long standing members on here is not helpfull imo...
Also remember each time a wishbone is changed it will need setting up correctly at the likes of wheels in motion who charge something like £80. If not set correctly to 1.°10mins camber there is every chance of destroying a pair of tyres.
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So I'm guessing these are no good then ? vauxcentre £25 a side
http://www.vauxcentre.co.uk/index.php?product_id=485975&option=Prod_detail
Found the lemfoder ones at eurocarparts for £83.90 each but they only have the right side in stock, I'll have to ping them about the left side.
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So I'm guessing these are no good then ? vauxcentre £25 a side
http://www.vauxcentre.co.uk/index.php?product_id=485975&option=Prod_detail
Found the lemfoder ones at eurocarparts for £83.90 each but they only have the right side in stock, I'll have to ping them about the left side.
12 month warranty is encouraging, but still no makers name meaning they could be made of chocolate if they use the same supplier as buypartsbuy or firstline.
Tha warranty will not recover fitting, set up, and worn tyre costs. Up to you at the end of the day
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So I'm guessing these are no good then ? vauxcentre £25 a side
http://www.vauxcentre.co.uk/index.php?product_id=485975&option=Prod_detail
Found the lemfoder ones at eurocarparts for £83.90 each but they only have the right side in stock, I'll have to ping them about the left side.
12 month warranty is encouraging, but still no makers name meaning they could be made of chocolate if they use the same supplier as buypartsbuy or firstline.
Tha warranty will not recover fitting, set up, and worn tyre costs. Up to you at the end of the day
Im going to go with the Lemforder ones, I think £83.60 inc vat and shipping is a good price for a branded product.
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So I'm guessing these are no good then ? vauxcentre £25 a side
http://www.vauxcentre.co.uk/index.php?product_id=485975&option=Prod_detail
Found the lemfoder ones at eurocarparts for £83.90 each but they only have the r
ight side in stock, I'll have to ping them about the left side.
12 month warranty is encouraging, but still no makers name meaning they could be made of chocolate if they use the same supplier as buypartsbuy or firstline.
Tha warranty will not recover fitting, set up, and worn tyre costs. Up to you at the end of the day
Im going to go with the Lemforder ones, I think £83.60 inc vat and shipping is a good price for a branded product.
that is indeed a good price, but be sure they are lemforder though....
ah, miss read the link, its only one side at that price. Autovaux are said to supply for 110 a pair.
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So I'm guessing these are no good then ? vauxcentre £25 a side
http://www.vauxcentre.co.uk/index.php?product_id=485975&option=Prod_detail
Found the lemfoder ones at eurocarparts for £83.90 each but they only have the r
ight side in stock, I'll have to ping them about the left side.
12 month warranty is encouraging, but still no makers name meaning they could be made of chocolate if they use the same supplier as buypartsbuy or firstline.
Tha warranty will not recover fitting, set up, and worn tyre costs. Up to you at the end of the day
Im going to go with the Lemforder ones, I think £83.60 inc vat and shipping is a good price for a branded product.
that is indeed a good price, but be sure they are lemforder though....
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Vauxhall_Omega_3.0_1999/p/Car-Parts/Suspension-and-Steering/Suspension/Suspension-Arms-and-Joints/?615720575&1&bb76a9fd84603bd964f38884a5416e7341811d58 :y Definately lemforder