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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: hoj on 20 January 2010, 20:01:22
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As the title suggest getting 2 x new tryes tomorrow would you stick them on the back or front - had 2 x new ones a few months ago put on the front which have now done 3 or 4000 miles so do i leave them where they are or put them on the back and new on the front blah blah blah
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Personally, I'd stick the new ones on the rear - the driven wheels.
I'd stick 'em on the front if it was FWD.....which, gladly, it isn't! :y
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Personally, I'd stick the new ones on the rear - the driven wheels.
I'd stick 'em on the front if it was FWD.....which, gladly, it isn't! :y
I agree - just done the same after the recent shenanigans in the snow! :y
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i would just put them on the back tbh :y
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OK, forgetting that the other ones have only done a few thou, I am sorry but don't agree with everyone else. ::) I like my best tyres on the front, because steering is more important than traction. Just my opinion. I await more comments. ::)
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I always stick on back, regardless of fwd/rwd. front easier to control than rear when grip disappears
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As the title suggest getting 2 x new tryes tomorrow would you stick them on the back or front - had 2 x new ones a few months ago put on the front which have now done 3 or 4000 miles so do i leave them where they are or put them on the back and new on the front blah blah blah
If you go to Costco you get them at the back, whether you want them there or not! http:// :-/http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-4x4-van/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html
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Put em on the rear mate, everytime :y the rears will be nicely scrubbed in now and just perfect for the front.
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OK, forgetting that the other ones have only done a few thou, I am sorry but don't agree with everyone else. ::) I like my best tyres on the front, because steering is more important than traction. Just my opinion. I await more comments. ::)
I'm with you! :y
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OK, forgetting that the other ones have only done a few thou, I am sorry but don't agree with everyone else. ::) I like my best tyres on the front, because steering is more important than traction. Just my opinion. I await more comments. ::)
For most, understeer is easier to control than oversteer ;)
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When I had my set-up done at WIM the advice given was to leave tyres on whatever axle they are on, and not to swap them around. They were of the opinion that if the car is setup correctly, there should be no "wear to even out" and that tyres "settle" to slight differences in suspension. Thus moving them can cause other problems
Now I know nothing ......
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When I had my set-up done at WIM the advice given was to leave tyres on whatever axle they are on, and not to swap them around. They were of the opinion that if the car is setup correctly, there should be no "wear to even out" and that tyres "settle" to slight differences in suspension. Thus moving them can cause other problems
Now I know nothing ......
hoj is getting 2 new tyres though. ;) :y :y
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So was I to start with ... only the sharp eyed guy noticed a screw head in one of the "good" tyres whilst fitting the alignement stuff ... that lead to getting 4 tyres .. but it wasn't the plan !!
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....... that lead to getting 4 tyres .. but it wasn't the plan !!
An expensive day out then! ::) :y :y
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OK, forgetting that the other ones have only done a few thou, I am sorry but don't agree with everyone else. ::) I like my best tyres on the front, because steering is more important than traction. Just my opinion. I await more comments. ::)
But I steer with the rear!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I always stick on back, regardless of fwd/rwd. front easier to control than rear when grip disappears
Correct :y :y
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HTH.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-4x4-van/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html
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....... that lead to getting 4 tyres .. but it wasn't the plan !!
An expensive day out then! ::) :y :y
Sure was ....and it got worse .... when he took the rear wheels off to change the tyres he informed me that one pad had disintegrated and was about to score the disc .. :( I drove home without trying to use the brakes
So the saga became from car wearing a front tyre oddly ...
trip to WIM to be told wishbones shot
trip home
change wishbones
trip to WIM
4 tyres
Full alignement
trip home
New rear pads
Luckily the discs were OK, I had them checked out by a specialist .. :)
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HTH.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-4x4-van/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html
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If you go to Costco you get them at the back, whether you want them there or not! http:// :-/http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-4x4-van/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html
Too slow mate! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :y
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....... that lead to getting 4 tyres .. but it wasn't the plan !!
An expensive day out then! ::) :y :y
Sure was ....and it got worse .... when he took the rear wheels off to change the tyres he informed me that one pad had disintegrated and was about to score the disc .. :( I drove home without trying to use the brakes
So the saga became from car wearing a front tyre oddly ...
trip to WIM to be told wishbones shot
trip home
change wishbones
trip to WIM
4 tyres
Full alignement
trip home
New rear pads
Luckily the discs were OK, I had them checked out by a specialist .. :)
Ditto-but with the discs too...4 wheel alignment finished this morning. I am now poor ;D
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HTH.
http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-4x4-van/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html
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If you go to Costco you get them at the back, whether you want them there or not! http:// :-/http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-4x4-van/less-worn-tyres-rear/20070314172074.html
Too slow mate! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :y
:-[ ;D
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....... that lead to getting 4 tyres .. but it wasn't the plan !!
An expensive day out then! ::) :y :y
Sure was ....and it got worse .... when he took the rear wheels off to change the tyres he informed me that one pad had disintegrated and was about to score the disc .. :( I drove home without trying to use the brakes
So the saga became from car wearing a front tyre oddly ...
trip to WIM to be told wishbones shot
trip home
change wishbones
trip to WIM
4 tyres
Full alignement
trip home
New rear pads
Luckily the discs were OK, I had them checked out by a specialist .. :)
Ditto-but with the discs too...4 wheel alignment finished this morning. I am now poor ;D
better been poor and safe. than weathy and ....
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Had the same at end of summer hols. When we got back from spain. Tyres ok at start but had a 1/4 inch bead of canvas showing on the inside edge of 2 at the end....5 mill tread on the rest of those tyres. other 2 at 2 mill, so tyres 4, front discs, w'bones, did shocks as well. £££££££££££
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....... that lead to getting 4 tyres .. but it wasn't the plan !!
An expensive day out then! ::) :y :y
Sure was ....and it got worse .... when he took the rear wheels off to change the tyres he informed me that one pad had disintegrated and was about to score the disc .. :( I drove home without trying to use the brakes
So the saga became from car wearing a front tyre oddly ...
trip to WIM to be told wishbones shot
trip home
change wishbones
trip to WIM
4 tyres
Full alignement
trip home
New rear pads
Luckily the discs were OK, I had them checked out by a specialist .. :)
WIM?
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Wheels In Motion
Probably the best wheel alignement centre in the UK.
Tony has his own database of settings for Omegas that are better than standard, all his staff care about what they do, he encourages you to ask questions and watch work done..
and he gives a discount to OOF members
http://www.blackboots.co.uk
I can't praise them enough
As a minor example .. in the above list... I was booked in for an alignement .. 1 hour on the ramp, so no other booking could be taken. When I got there, the car went onto the ramp and he checked the car .. wishbones were shot, so no point in doing the alignement, so I went to pay for the booked time to be told .. "we don't charge for doing nothing, get the wishbones done and ring us back for another booking."
How many places would do that ???
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Right, while I still don't agree with :-
"Whether you have front or rear wheel drive, we recommend that you use newer tyres for the rear set, for extra safety in unforeseen or difficult situations (emergency braking, tight bends etc) particularly on wet surface"
Because, front wheels do most of the braking, so it seemed wise to have the best tread on them.
BUT, I will now change my views and fit the best tyres on the back.
Thanks Chaps :y
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imho forget about the theories..
if you are trying to climb a snowy/icy hill you must have them on the driving tires depending on fwd/rwd.. who cares oversteer/understeer if you cant go anywhere ;D
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and 2nd step if you are able to move than you must be able to stop ;D
so if I'm in that situation for a fwd I'll use them on the front.. for a rwd definitely I'll buy 4 and use something named visa..
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and 2nd step if you are able to move than you must be able to stop ;D
so if I'm in that situation for a fwd I'll use them on the front.. for a rwd definitely I'll buy 4 and use something named visa..
Agreed-rwd all four must be A1, fwd best tyres to front as long as backs are reasonable enough.
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Note from Pirelli technical:-
NEW TYRES TO THE REAR
An analysis of technical enquiries received through the Pirelli Technical "Hot Line" has confirmed the belief that many customers - dealers and users alike - are of the opinion that, when only two tyres are replaced on a car, they should be fitted to the front "axle". This was undoubtedly the case a number of years ago when it was felt that the retention of vehicle control was more critical with front wheel deflations and, therefore, that the new, and thus less vulnerable tyres should be fitted to the front.
However, the current recommendation on the part of the tyre Industry is, as a general rule, NEW TYRES TO THE REAR. This applies to both front and rear wheel drive cars.
Primarily, the justification is increased safety, particularly in the wet, where it has been demonstrated that, with the partly worn tyres fitted to the rear, their diminished water dispersal capability leads to a greater tendency towards oversteer and thus loss of control. Similarly, straight line braking, in the wet can be adversely affected.
It is also arguable that used tyres are more prone to punctures and since it has now been established that rear deflations are more likely to cause loss of control, this is another reason for fitting new tyres to the rear.
As a secondary benefit for the owners of low mileage front wheel drive cars, the switching of the partly worn rear tyres to the front, enabling the new tyres to be fitted to the rear, creates a cycle which helps prevent their deterioration due to ageing/prolonged exposure. The rear tyres wear relatively slowly and leaving them in their original positions for a prolonged period can result in the need to replace them before they are significantly worn.
Note: There are certain circumstances where the principle of NEW TYRES TO THE REAR does not or may not apply. For example:
• Where the front and rear tyre sizes are different.
• Where the two new tyres are of a lower speed rating.
• Where the characteristic rear concave wear pattern has developed to an extent that moving rear tyres to the front would affect the stability of the car.
• Where the PZero System™ (directional tyre at the front, asymmetric at the rear) is adopted.
• With certain combinations of winter and summer tyres.
• On certain four wheel drive vehicles where it would result in significant differences in tread depth.
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Note from Pirelli technical:-
NEW TYRES TO THE REAR
An analysis of technical enquiries received through the Pirelli Technical "Hot Line" has confirmed the belief that many customers - dealers and users alike - are of the opinion that, when only two tyres are replaced on a car, they should be fitted to the front "axle". This was undoubtedly the case a number of years ago when it was felt that the retention of vehicle control was more critical with front wheel deflations and, therefore, that the new, and thus less vulnerable tyres should be fitted to the front.
However, the current recommendation on the part of the tyre Industry is, as a general rule, NEW TYRES TO THE REAR. This applies to both front and rear wheel drive cars.
Primarily, the justification is increased safety, particularly in the wet, where it has been demonstrated that, with the partly worn tyres fitted to the rear, their diminished water dispersal capability leads to a greater tendency towards oversteer and thus loss of control. Similarly, straight line braking, in the wet can be adversely affected.
It is also arguable that used tyres are more prone to punctures and since it has now been established that rear deflations are more likely to cause loss of control, this is another reason for fitting new tyres to the rear.
As a secondary benefit for the owners of low mileage front wheel drive cars, the switching of the partly worn rear tyres to the front, enabling the new tyres to be fitted to the rear, creates a cycle which helps prevent their deterioration due to ageing/prolonged exposure. The rear tyres wear relatively slowly and leaving them in their original positions for a prolonged period can result in the need to replace them before they are significantly worn.
Note: There are certain circumstances where the principle of NEW TYRES TO THE REAR does not or may not apply. For example:• Where the front and rear tyre sizes are different.
• Where the two new tyres are of a lower speed rating.
• Where the characteristic rear concave wear pattern has developed to an extent that moving rear tyres to the front would affect the stability of the car.
• Where the PZero System™ (directional tyre at the front, asymmetric at the rear) is adopted.
• With certain combinations of winter and summer tyres.• On certain four wheel drive vehicles where it would result in significant differences in tread depth.
it doesnt say anything about snow/ice.. according to them its nonexistent :Dthe above rule apply to normal road conditions like dry/wet.. but we are in winter now..
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Note from Pirelli technical:-
NEW TYRES TO THE REAR
An analysis of technical enquiries received through the Pirelli Technical "Hot Line" has confirmed the belief that many customers - dealers and users alike - are of the opinion that, when only two tyres are replaced on a car, they should be fitted to the front "axle". This was undoubtedly the case a number of years ago when it was felt that the retention of vehicle control was more critical with front wheel deflations and, therefore, that the new, and thus less vulnerable tyres should be fitted to the front.
However, the current recommendation on the part of the tyre Industry is, as a general rule, NEW TYRES TO THE REAR. This applies to both front and rear wheel drive cars.
Primarily, the justification is increased safety, particularly in the wet, where it has been demonstrated that, with the partly worn tyres fitted to the rear, their diminished water dispersal capability leads to a greater tendency towards oversteer and thus loss of control. Similarly, straight line braking, in the wet can be adversely affected.
It is also arguable that used tyres are more prone to punctures and since it has now been established that rear deflations are more likely to cause loss of control, this is another reason for fitting new tyres to the rear.
As a secondary benefit for the owners of low mileage front wheel drive cars, the switching of the partly worn rear tyres to the front, enabling the new tyres to be fitted to the rear, creates a cycle which helps prevent their deterioration due to ageing/prolonged exposure. The rear tyres wear relatively slowly and leaving them in their original positions for a prolonged period can result in the need to replace them before they are significantly worn.
Note: There are certain circumstances where the principle of NEW TYRES TO THE REAR does not or may not apply. For example:
• Where the front and rear tyre sizes are different.
• Where the two new tyres are of a lower speed rating.
• Where the characteristic rear concave wear pattern has developed to an extent that moving rear tyres to the front would affect the stability of the car.
• Where the PZero System™ (directional tyre at the front, asymmetric at the rear) is adopted.
• With certain combinations of winter and summer tyres.
• On certain four wheel drive vehicles where it would result in significant differences in tread depth.
Been through this a few times with tyre places, they say the new "rule" is to prevent novice or uninterested drivers losing the rear if tyres are less grippy than the front and not being able to deal with oversteer.
I always use the same brand and type all round, preferring the same wear all round too-possible with decent rotation.