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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Rog the Dodge on 01 January 2010, 18:33:30
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Hi to all, this is my first posting so be gentle with your replys !!!.
I only have heat on the passenger side of my 3.2 elite ,having read numerous threads on this site i am a little confused on where to start looking,by that i mean in which order do i try to find the fault.
If anyone can point me in the right direction i would be most grateful.
Happy New Year to everyone .
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Have a read of this http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1196616207
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Ok , thanks for the thread i have taken it all in and will be trying the task out tomorrow.
Does anyone know what the motor is called and also what its purpose in life is ??? , by that i mean does it regulate how much heat goes to either side of the vents.
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I have taken a look at the motor , everything looks fine there, still only heat from passenger side, i have read a few threads about the HBV , could this perhaps be the culprit?.Is there anyway of testing its performance or that its working !!! other than fitting a new one, looks like a fiddly job.
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If you are getting any heat at all .. the HBV is doing its job ... if you only get heat from one side it means the "flaps" that control the air movement are not working correctly. They are controlled by motors that move levers that move the flaps.
It is not uncommon for the arms that connect the motors to the flaps to become disconnected... that would be my first check ... :)
If you can see the motor ... does it "move" when someone changes from hot to cold, or screen to foot
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Thanks for that info about the HBV,so i can rule that out,so i need to play around with the controls while watching what happens under the dash,i must admit when i checked the motor i did not try moving the controls about as the lever looked located ,but will try your idea on wednesday ,thanks very much,will keep you posted.
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I have finally had a go at trying to find the motor as per http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1196616207 ,i removed the glovebox as well just to give me a little more room and light.
But i am having trouble finding the black cap with the motor,does anyone know if its the same location on my elite ?so still only one side of heat!!!
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I have finally had a go at trying to find the motor as per http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1196616207 ,i removed the glovebox as well just to give me a little more room and light.
But i am having trouble finding the black cap with the motor,does anyone know if its the same location on my elite ?so still only one side of heat!!!
Sounds like you're looking in the wrong place mate! The motor you are looking for is located in the drivers footwell behind the centre console ;) :y
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Thanks for that mate, that would explain why i cant find it, lol.
i will have a look tomorrow,is there anything that i should be aware of, or put it another way, anything that is likley to cause a problem, or even break???
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I'm really hoping you find whats wrong as i have exactly the same problem. i've followed those instructions in that thread months ago but sadly all was in order and the motor/arm doing their jobs. i'm guessing its whatever is on the other end of the moving arm has got stuck but damned if i can find out what is attached to the other end of the arm. its been a tough winter so far haha
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yeah i know the feeling.
I have found the motor at lst, yes it was in the drivers footwell,so a little different.
The plastic arm isindeed swinging in the breeze!!!, so i have spentthe last 2 hours trying to attach it to the motor, but withot sucess, has nybody got a pic that i can loo at just to see where it is supposed to clip back on!!!.
I have tried to remove the motor by taking out the hex screws ,unplug the power lead, but it wont pull out,
I hav had to give up for today due to me hands bleeding raw from the plastc trim,lol.
So any advice would be very most welcome befor i break something in anger.
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hmm, makes me wonder if i've looked at the wrong thing then as my motor was definitely in the passenger side footwell as the instructions said. i might go n check my drivers side footwell then and see if theres something else on that side that ive missed. now fed up with half a demisted windscreen n cold half of the car, thank god for heated seats ;)
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mine was exactly where Philrich said it was, nice and easy to find, but a pigs ear to get to,i am hoping this is my culprit, what i have done as a temp fix and also to test that this is indeed the problem, is to tape the plastic arm in the down mode, will let you know later once i have taken car out to warm up.
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yeah i know the feeling.
I have found the motor at lst, yes it was in the drivers footwell,so a little different.
The plastic arm isindeed swinging in the breeze!!!, so i have spentthe last 2 hours trying to attach it to the motor, but withot sucess, has nybody got a pic that i can loo at just to see where it is supposed to clip back on!!!.
I have tried to remove the motor by taking out the hex screws ,unplug the power lead, but it wont pull out,
I hav had to give up for today due to me hands bleeding raw from the plastc trim,lol.
So any advice would be very most welcome befor i break something in anger.
I did mine on the drivers side just before christmas. Found it easier to remove the motor to do it. If you can't get it off , youve missed a screw. There's one up on the left of the motor that's difficult to see without a torch. Once you've removed it the motor will fall away. Well worth the effort . Mines lovely & toasty now.
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Hi, that could explain why the motor did not come away, i removed two hex screws ,so will take a closer look in the morning , once my hands have stoped bleeding,and also my temper has calmed,can i ask you , were you able to attach the arm with the motor off ,then bolt it back on or did you have to feel around in the dark !!!!!!!!! ?
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After hours of laying on my back with a torch in my mouth trying to direct some light towards that bloomin motor, i finally managed to get the arm to pop back on, i even got it to click,so a nice snug fit.
So refitted everything back, cliped case back on after i had tried it a few times, all was well, lever was moving up and down, i could hear the flaps moving, so went out for a drive to warm her up, heat at last on my side,only for a short time ,checked the lever, it had come of, so attached it again,turned on engine and watched, it poped of as soon as it went to its lowest point,i did this about ten times with different combinations,auto,eco,full fan, etc,
It seams to me that when the heat starts coming through something is causing the lever to pop of,while i was watching the motor and lever it looked to me like it had done its cycle to the lowest point ,then it moved very slightly again, which caused it to come of.
Anybody got any ideas,if its the lever warn, how do i change it, i cant see where it goes ,or is it a knackered motor perhaps doing an extra turn.?
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Fitted another motor today, but the lever/arm is still popping of when it gets to its lowest point on the motor, so i think the next thing is to try a never arm/lever, it could possibly just not fitting tight enough, can anyone tell me where this arm dissapears up ito the dash please, ad how do i get to it to change it???
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Fitted another motor today, but the lever/arm is still popping of when it gets to its lowest point on the motor, so i think the next thing is to try a never arm/lever, it could possibly just not fitting tight enough, can anyone tell me where this arm dissapears up ito the dash please, ad how do i get to it to change it???
Can,t help there Rog, but I do know the arm is joined at the top before it disappears out of view, as it came off when I did mine & it was a bitch to put back on! The guy who's guide I followed, said to heat the end with a hot air paint stripper & pinch the ends together to make a tighter fit, but this did not work for me so I eventually fastened the arm to the motor cam with a thin cable tie and this has now been working for the last 8 months with no further problems. BTW, I would place a towel or sheet under the work area and into the foot well to stop any screws dropping behind the carpet, as once down there they are lost unless you want to rip the seat and carpet out to get them back!!! HTH, Regards Phil.
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Ok mate, i was thinking of a cable tie, but how did you fasten it to the motor arm, must have been a bit fiddlley ???
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Ok mate, i was thinking of a cable tie, but how did you fasten it to the motor arm, must have been a bit fiddlley ???
The arm came off higher up Rog, so I fixed it to the motor while it was out & then refitted the motor. It was a B**tard to refit the top end of the arm & cost me a bit of skin! did you remove the drop down door that covers the fuse box & take out the heater vent cover & heater duct behind it? You need to, to give you the best access. You need plenty of light, not just a torch in your mouth (although that will stop you swearing out loud LOL). Also, make sure the steel actuator rod for the rear seat vents is properly connected to the motor before you close everything up! :y
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Looks like i will be swearing a little more tomorrow then when i have a go at that arm again !!!
i will give you an update once i have either fixed it or broken it or just had enough of it ,lol.
Thanks for the tip mate.
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Hi Phil, i had a quick look today at the top fixing of this bloomin arm, what a pain, can you tell me if the heating duck is just popped on, only i could not see any fixings, didnt have much time to look mind you ,the heavens opened, so its tomorrows first job!
Cheers mate
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Just seen the thread on the heater matrix, and i see that it is listed and with a picture to help, in there .
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Mine just pulled off, pushed on. Good luck ;) :y
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yeah thanks for that, from what you have said me thinks i will need it !!!
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cheers for your input Phil, managed to do the job with 30 mins, result!!!
All i need to do now is find which of the flaps is the one for the heating to the foot area, any ideas on that one mate?
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wonder if this all only applies to the cars with the motor on the drivers side footwell. was hoping someone would find out where that bloomin lever arm goes up to soon so gonna take the stereo out next weekend and see if i can get my mitts in there that way and see if it has come off further up above the motor as it's definitely connected to the motor. prepare to lose skin!!
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tried the stereo Dan, no way in there mate, the only way is to take of fuse holder door, and then remove the heating duck pipe for the feet,then its on your back ,back of head resting on the brake pedal and look to your right, there you will see all, oh ,you will need plenty of light, so my advice is get the lighting sorted befor you squeeze yourself under there.Best of luck!!! :y
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wonder if this all only applies to the cars with the motor on the drivers side footwell. was hoping someone would find out where that bloomin lever arm goes up to soon so gonna take the stereo out next weekend and see if i can get my mitts in there that way and see if it has come off further up above the motor as it's definitely connected to the motor. prepare to lose skin!!
You won`t see sod all with the radio out. Stick your head in the footwell and move the arm whilst looking up and you will see that`s it`s connected to another small arm