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Title: please help
Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 15:00:34
my miggy keeps cutting out on tickover some times it is ok for a while but when i stop and start up again it wont tick over and then it is ok again. when its  ticking over its running about 560 rpm , recently wouldnt start at all ,did a pedal test which showed crank sensor u/s . replaced sensor with genuine vx part and it started straight away but still got the cutting out problem. did a tech 2 and cleared all old codes , did test again and no codes shown.almost like fuel starvation ,had similar problem with old 2 ltr and that was icv but as i understand 2.6 doesnt have one. Hope someone can help
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 15:17:50
yup, no ICV on the 2.6, worth taking the EGR off and give that a clean with some paint stripper.

What kind of tech2 do you have acess to geniune or laptop based software?
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 15:21:30
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yup, no ICV on the 2.6, worth taking the EGR off and give that a clean with some paint stripper.

What kind of tech2 do you have acess to geniune or laptop based software?
think its genuine a mechanic mate of mine got hold of the use of one
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 15:22:01
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yup, no ICV on the 2.6, worth taking the EGR off and give that a clean with some paint stripper.

What kind of tech2 do you have acess to geniune or laptop based software?
think its genuine a mechanic mate of mine got hold of the use of one
where is tghe EGR
Title: Re: please help
Post by: dbug on 02 February 2010, 15:22:42
Drivers side of block
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 15:23:57
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Drivers side of block
what does it lok like
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 15:24:27
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yup, no ICV on the 2.6, worth taking the EGR off and give that a clean with some paint stripper.

What kind of tech2 do you have acess to geniune or laptop based software?
think its genuine a mechanic mate of mine got hold of the use of one
where is tghe EGR

Drivers side, on a large metal braket, its the Exhaust Gas Recirculation unit.

If he has geniune tech2 (£2000) piece of kit, you can go into diagnostics and control the EGR to test it  :)
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 15:28:19
tech2 showed no fault  or would it not pick egr up
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 15:30:57
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tech2 showed no fault  or would it not pick egr up

It will, but not under the Fault Read, if you go into the live info section (lists current rpm, alternator output, engine temp, ect) you can control the EGR.
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 15:34:43
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tech2 showed no fault  or would it not pick egr up

It will, but not under the Fault Read, if you go into the live info section (lists current rpm, alternator output, engine temp, ect) you can control the EGR.
might not be easy to get hold of tech 2 again, is it worth just cleaning and see what happens , is it easy to get at
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Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 15:45:29
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tech2 showed no fault  or would it not pick egr up

It will, but not under the Fault Read, if you go into the live info section (lists current rpm, alternator output, engine temp, ect) you can control the EGR.
might not be easy to get hold of tech 2 again, is it worth just cleaning and see what happens , is it easy to get at

Very easy, front of the plenum, drivers side, big leccy connector going into it. Usually on a bracket thats very corroded.

Remove, fill with paint stripper, clean it out, then re-fit.  :)
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 16:04:38
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tech2 showed no fault  or would it not pick egr up

It will, but not under the Fault Read, if you go into the live info section (lists current rpm, alternator output, engine temp, ect) you can control the EGR.
might not be easy to get hold of tech 2 again, is it worth just cleaning and see what happens , is it easy to get at

Very easy, front of the plenum, drivers side, big leccy connector going into it. Usually on a bracket thats very corroded.

Remove, fill with paint stripper, clean it out, then re-fit.  :)
thanks for that i will try that soon as i get chance probably the  weekend, keep my fingers crossed
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 16:12:43
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tech2 showed no fault  or would it not pick egr up

It will, but not under the Fault Read, if you go into the live info section (lists current rpm, alternator output, engine temp, ect) you can control the EGR.
might not be easy to get hold of tech 2 again, is it worth just cleaning and see what happens , is it easy to get at

Very easy, front of the plenum, drivers side, big leccy connector going into it. Usually on a bracket thats very corroded.

Remove, fill with paint stripper, clean it out, then re-fit.  :)
thanks for that i will try that soon as i get chance probably the  weekend, keep my fingers crossed
just had a quick look under bonnet couldnt see  any thing like you said but found another unit that has water pipes going into it and the connector was of that any idea what that is
Title: Re: please help
Post by: Elite Pete on 02 February 2010, 16:12:54
Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 16:25:05
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
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Post by: Elite Pete on 02 February 2010, 16:34:34
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 16:43:57
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)


Good point  ::)  ;D
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Post by: Dave Elite on 02 February 2010, 16:45:43
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)


Good point  ::)  ;D
Wrong again ;D
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 16:46:48
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
yes thats the one thanks ,so its not that thats causing my problem. thinking about it my screen heater hasnt been getting very hot , perhaps thats what was causing that
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 16:49:30
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
yes thats the one thanks ,so its not that thats causing my problem. thinking about it my screen heater hasnt been getting very hot , perhaps thats what was causing that

Winter pack helps the heater matrix get hot water quicker, if anything screen heater should be hotter than normal, Jimbob made a guide for flushing the heater matrix  :y
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 16:57:54
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
yes thats the one thanks ,so its not that thats causing my problem. thinking about it my screen heater hasnt been getting very hot , perhaps thats what was causing that

Winter pack helps the heater matrix get hot water quicker, if anything screen heater should be hotter than normal, Jimbob made a guide for flushing the heater matrix  :y
thanks for that but if 2.6 doesnt have an egr valve where do i go next
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 17:03:39
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
yes thats the one thanks ,so its not that thats causing my problem. thinking about it my screen heater hasnt been getting very hot , perhaps thats what was causing that

Winter pack helps the heater matrix get hot water quicker, if anything screen heater should be hotter than normal, Jimbob made a guide for flushing the heater matrix  :y
thanks for that but if 2.6 doesnt have an egr valve where do i go next

I was thinking of my 2.2 and other V6's when thinking EGR, my mistake  :y

When it cuts out, does it run rough, then die? or simply cut out cleanly?
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 17:06:46
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
yes thats the one thanks ,so its not that thats causing my problem. thinking about it my screen heater hasnt been getting very hot , perhaps thats what was causing that

Winter pack helps the heater matrix get hot water quicker, if anything screen heater should be hotter than normal, Jimbob made a guide for flushing the heater matrix  :y
thanks for that but if 2.6 doesnt have an egr valve where do i go next

I was thinking of my 2.2 and other V6's when thinking EGR, my mistake  :y

When it cuts out, does it run rough, then die? or simply cut out cleanly?
yes it goes lumpy as if fuel is not getting through
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 17:09:29
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
yes thats the one thanks ,so its not that thats causing my problem. thinking about it my screen heater hasnt been getting very hot , perhaps thats what was causing that

Winter pack helps the heater matrix get hot water quicker, if anything screen heater should be hotter than normal, Jimbob made a guide for flushing the heater matrix  :y
thanks for that but if 2.6 doesnt have an egr valve where do i go next

I was thinking of my 2.2 and other V6's when thinking EGR, my mistake  :y

When it cuts out, does it run rough, then die? or simply cut out cleanly?
yes it goes lumpy as if fuel is not getting through

Does it always do it? Does it drive fine for hours, but then cut out, or always lumpy on startup, then die?

Worth checking the fuel filter, drivers side i think, small cylinder object, up by the petrol tank, should be changed every couple of years, that could be blocked.
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 17:11:48
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
yes thats the one thanks ,so its not that thats causing my problem. thinking about it my screen heater hasnt been getting very hot , perhaps thats what was causing that

Winter pack helps the heater matrix get hot water quicker, if anything screen heater should be hotter than normal, Jimbob made a guide for flushing the heater matrix  :y
thanks for that but if 2.6 doesnt have an egr valve where do i go next

I was thinking of my 2.2 and other V6's when thinking EGR, my mistake  :y

When it cuts out, does it run rough, then die? or simply cut out cleanly?
yes it goes lumpy as if fuel is not getting through

Does it always do it? Does it drive fine for hours, but then cut out, or always lumpy on startup, then die?

Worth checking the fuel filter, drivers side i think, small cylinder object, up by the petrol tank, should be changed every couple of years, that could be blocked.
changed that about 14 months ago about 9000 miles
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 17:13:49
just out of interest do you know the part number of the crank sensor the dealer gave you? Its not unheard of for a Vx dealer to give a 2.5 V6 sensor instead of the 2.6.

No idea what difference there is, but they have different part numbers, so must be different  :-/
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 17:13:52
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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Is it fixed to a bracket that is fixed to the inner wing, if so its part of the winter pack for the heater ;)
yes thats the one thanks ,so its not that thats causing my problem. thinking about it my screen heater hasnt been getting very hot , perhaps thats what was causing that

Winter pack helps the heater matrix get hot water quicker, if anything screen heater should be hotter than normal, Jimbob made a guide for flushing the heater matrix  :y
thanks for that but if 2.6 doesnt have an egr valve where do i go next

I was thinking of my 2.2 and other V6's when thinking EGR, my mistake  :y

When it cuts out, does it run rough, then die? or simply cut out cleanly?
yes it goes lumpy as if fuel is not getting through

Does it always do it? Does it drive fine for hours, but then cut out, or always lumpy on startup, then die?

Worth checking the fuel filter, drivers side i think, small cylinder object, up by the petrol tank, should be changed every couple of years, that could be blocked.
changed that about 14 months ago about 9000 miles
sometimes i run for about 4 miles and its fine . if i leave it for a little while and run it again it starts playing up
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 17:16:33
still sounds like crank sensor, post up the part number of the sensor they gave you  :y
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 17:24:29
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still sounds like crank sensor, post up the part number of the sensor they gave you  :y
cant find the receipt but the part no. was the same as the one i took off
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Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 17:37:05
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still sounds like crank sensor, post up the part number of the sensor they gave you  :y
cant find the receipt but the part no. was the same as the one i took off

Bang goes that theory then  ;D

Drop a PM to MarkDTMCalib, he is in Coventry fair bit, might be able to take a look, he also has tech2, and knows how to use it  :y
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 17:41:41
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still sounds like crank sensor, post up the part number of the sensor they gave you  :y
cant find the receipt but the part no. was the same as the one i took off

Bang goes that theory then  ;D

Drop a PM to MarkDTMCalib, he is in Coventry fair bit, might be able to take a look, he also has tech2, and knows how to use it  :y
already done that but i cant get any reply from him, even tried calling him on his mobile
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Post by: tunnie on 02 February 2010, 17:49:14
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still sounds like crank sensor, post up the part number of the sensor they gave you  :y
cant find the receipt but the part no. was the same as the one i took off

Bang goes that theory then  ;D

Drop a PM to MarkDTMCalib, he is in Coventry fair bit, might be able to take a look, he also has tech2, and knows how to use it  :y
already done that but i cant get any reply from him, even tried calling him on his mobile

He's a very busy man, be patient  :y

If your willing to travel a bit, drop TheBoy a PM, he is based in Brackley on the Oxon/Northants/Bucks border, again has access to real tech2, and knows how to use it  :y
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Post by: caran10 on 02 February 2010, 17:54:45
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still sounds like crank sensor, post up the part number of the sensor they gave you  :y
cant find the receipt but the part no. was the same as the one i took off

Bang goes that theory then  ;D

Drop a PM to MarkDTMCalib, he is in Coventry fair bit, might be able to take a look, he also has tech2, and knows how to use it  :y
already done that but i cant get any reply from him, even tried calling him on his mobile

He's a very busy man, be patient  :y

If your willing to travel a bit, drop TheBoy a PM, he is based in Brackley on the Oxon/Northants/Bucks border, again has access to real tech2, and knows how to use it  :y
ok tunnie thanks for your help
Title: Re: please help
Post by: alank46 on 02 February 2010, 20:26:16
Hi
Its the pump to operate the auxiliary heating for the cabin.
Alan

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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 03 February 2010, 17:01:36
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Its the pump to operate the auxiliary heating for the cabin.
Alan
thanks for that

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Didn't think a 2.6 had an EGR valve ::)
found a unit on drivers side that is on a flexible mount and has water pipes going into it, the leccy connector was off , do you know what this unit is
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 04 February 2010, 17:00:43
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my miggy keeps cutting out on tickover some times it is ok for a while but when i stop and start up again it wont tick over and then it is ok again. when its  ticking over its running about 560 rpm , recently wouldnt start at all ,did a pedal test which showed crank sensor u/s . replaced sensor with genuine vx part and it started straight away but still got the cutting out problem. did a tech 2 and cleared all old codes , did test again and no codes shown.almost like fuel starvation ,had similar problem with old 2 ltr and that was icv but as i understand 2.6 doesnt have one. Hope someone can help
just done another pedal trick while i had the problem and got code 0100 ,any body got any  ideas
Title: Re: please help
Post by: tunnie on 04 February 2010, 17:11:44
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my miggy keeps cutting out on tickover some times it is ok for a while but when i stop and start up again it wont tick over and then it is ok again. when its  ticking over its running about 560 rpm , recently wouldnt start at all ,did a pedal test which showed crank sensor u/s . replaced sensor with genuine vx part and it started straight away but still got the cutting out problem. did a tech 2 and cleared all old codes , did test again and no codes shown.almost like fuel starvation ,had similar problem with old 2 ltr and that was icv but as i understand 2.6 doesnt have one. Hope someone can help
just done another pedal trick while i had the problem and got code 0100 ,any body got any  ideas

P0100 Mass or volume air flow circuit high input.

Any other codes? Suggests duff MAF sensor  :-/
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 04 February 2010, 17:13:40
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my miggy keeps cutting out on tickover some times it is ok for a while but when i stop and start up again it wont tick over and then it is ok again. when its  ticking over its running about 560 rpm , recently wouldnt start at all ,did a pedal test which showed crank sensor u/s . replaced sensor with genuine vx part and it started straight away but still got the cutting out problem. did a tech 2 and cleared all old codes , did test again and no codes shown.almost like fuel starvation ,had similar problem with old 2 ltr and that was icv but as i understand 2.6 doesnt have one. Hope someone can help
just done another pedal trick while i had the problem and got code 0100 ,any body got any  ideas

P0100 Mass or volume air flow circuit high input.

Any other codes? Suggests duff MAF sensor  :-/
no thats the only one . only changed maff sensor end of 2008
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 04 February 2010, 18:08:10
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my miggy keeps cutting out on tickover some times it is ok for a while but when i stop and start up again it wont tick over and then it is ok again. when its  ticking over its running about 560 rpm , recently wouldnt start at all ,did a pedal test which showed crank sensor u/s . replaced sensor with genuine vx part and it started straight away but still got the cutting out problem. did a tech 2 and cleared all old codes , did test again and no codes shown.almost like fuel starvation ,had similar problem with old 2 ltr and that was icv but as i understand 2.6 doesnt have one. Hope someone can help
just done another pedal trick while i had the problem and got code 0100 ,any body got any  ideas

P0100 Mass or volume air flow circuit high input.

Any other codes? Suggests duff MAF sensor  :-/
no thats the only one . only changed maff sensor end of 2008
is there any way of testing the maf  ,what would happen if i unplugged it
Title: Re: please help
Post by: caran10 on 05 February 2010, 12:44:39
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my miggy keeps cutting out on tickover some times it is ok for a while but when i stop and start up again it wont tick over and then it is ok again. when its  ticking over its running about 560 rpm , recently wouldnt start at all ,did a pedal test which showed crank sensor u/s . replaced sensor with genuine vx part and it started straight away but still got the cutting out problem. did a tech 2 and cleared all old codes , did test again and no codes shown.almost like fuel starvation ,had similar problem with old 2 ltr and that was icv but as i understand 2.6 doesnt have one. Hope someone can help
just done another pedal trick while i had the problem and got code 0100 ,any body got any  ideas

P0100 Mass or volume air flow circuit high input.

Any other codes? Suggests duff MAF sensor  :-/
no thats the only one . only changed maff sensor end of 2008
is there any way of testing the maf  ,what would happen if i unplugged it
just been out in car and disconnected maf sensor, car ran much better at least it didnt keep cutting out . stopped for an hour and when i started up the warning light that looks like an engine stayed on . i stopped and re connected maf but light still stayed on
and car kept cutting out again  disconnected again and light went out but came back on after stopping fot short time woul d the light come on with a disconnected maf