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Title: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Mr Hagon on 11 February 2010, 22:23:45
I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: dbr on 11 February 2010, 22:28:27
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I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
a bit of spit on the valve can check that. wheel off and put some water at rim / tyre join or into the bath..the tyre that is
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Mr Hagon on 11 February 2010, 22:34:15
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I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
a bit of spit on the valve can check that. wheel off and put some water at rim / tyre join or into the bath..the tyre that is
Fair point on the valve, easy thing to check, but will have to wait 'til SWMBO is out before I start putting the wheel in the bath  ;D.
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: dbr on 11 February 2010, 22:38:57
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I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
a bit of spit on the valve can check that. wheel off and put some water at rim / tyre join or into the bath..the tyre that is
Fair point on the valve, easy thing to check, but will have to wait 'til SWMBO is out before I start putting the wheel in the bath  ;D.
swmbo ? sorry... I will probably regret this but whats the acronym?
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Shackeng on 11 February 2010, 22:40:02
In rare cases the alloy wheel becomes porous, but the bath test will show that up as well. :y
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Entwood on 11 February 2010, 22:42:01
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I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
a bit of spit on the valve can check that. wheel off and put some water at rim / tyre join or into the bath..the tyre that is
Fair point on the valve, easy thing to check, but will have to wait 'til SWMBO is out before I start putting the wheel in the bath  ;D.
swmbo ? sorry... I will probably regret this but whats the acronym?

She Who Must Be Obeyed ....   :)

I prefer SWTSMBO ........  :)  (but I am a long time MCP ...   :) )
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: ffcgary1 on 11 February 2010, 22:42:48
SWMBO=She who must be obeyed. :y
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: SilverSurfer on 11 February 2010, 22:43:28
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I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
a bit of spit on the valve can check that. wheel off and put some water at rim / tyre join or into the bath..the tyre that is
Fair point on the valve, easy thing to check, but will have to wait 'til SWMBO is out before I start putting the wheel in the bath  ;D.
swmbo ? sorry... I will probably regret this but whats the acronym?
I think he means "SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED" ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: SilverSurfer on 11 February 2010, 22:45:15
msp??
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: feeutfo on 11 February 2010, 22:45:54
wouldnt like to say if thats normal air loss over a fortnight or a possible puncture if there is a nail os screw etc stuck in the tyres. Strange that both fronts are loosing the same amount, are the fronts differant to th rear?
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Entwood on 11 February 2010, 22:47:29
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msp??

sorry .. should have been MCP .. :)

and yes I have the tie .... bought for me by her ladyship !!!  :)

(http://blog.ties2pillows.com/wp-content/uploads/male-ch-pig1.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: dbr on 11 February 2010, 22:48:43
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I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
a bit of spit on the valve can check that. wheel off and put some water at rim / tyre join or into the bath..the tyre that is
Fair point on the valve, easy thing to check, but will have to wait 'til SWMBO is out before I start putting the wheel in the bath  ;D.
swmbo ? sorry... I will probably regret this but whats the acronym?

She Who Must Be Obeyed ....   :)

I prefer SWTSMBO ........  :)  (but I am a long time MSP ...   :) )
ta.... got one of them,  amazing how a small cicle of gold around one finger totally changes them. long live MSP's. a dying breed, hope they dont end up in the pan!
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: dbr on 11 February 2010, 22:51:48
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msp??

sorry .. should have been MCP .. :)

and yes I have the tie .... bought for me by her ladyship !!!  :)

(http://blog.ties2pillows.com/wp-content/uploads/male-ch-pig1.jpg)
love it.
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: dbr on 11 February 2010, 22:53:48
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msp??

sorry .. should have been MCP .. :)

and yes I have the tie .... bought for me by her ladyship !!!  :)

(http://blog.ties2pillows.com/wp-content/uploads/male-ch-pig1.jpg)
love it.
Spelling has never been my forty ! either
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: dbr on 11 February 2010, 22:55:36
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msp??

sorry .. should have been MCP .. :)

and yes I have the tie .... bought for me by her ladyship !!!  :)
tail looks small...is she saying something else as well?

(http://blog.ties2pillows.com/wp-content/uploads/male-ch-pig1.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: dbr on 11 February 2010, 22:57:12
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I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
a bit of spit on the valve can check that. wheel off and put some water at rim / tyre join or into the bath..the tyre that is
Fair point on the valve, easy thing to check, but will have to wait 'til SWMBO is out before I start putting the wheel in the bath  ;D.
swmbo ? sorry... I will probably regret this but whats the acronym?
I think he means "SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED" ;D ;D :y
could it be OFFERED
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: dbug on 11 February 2010, 23:14:35
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I like to check my tyre pressures every fortnight and I'm finding that I lose 4psi each time I check the fronts.

I guess it could be the valve but having read a bit about the wheels I know some of them are 'soft' so could it also be the seal between the wheel rim and the tyre?  I have to admit the tyres aren't a premium brand.

I have these wheels: (http://www.mhagon.demon.co.uk/omega/wheel/wheel.jpg)
a bit of spit on the valve can check that. wheel off and put some water at rim / tyre join or into the bath..the tyre that is

Best to take em off the car first though  ;)
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Jimbob on 12 February 2010, 06:12:53
I had this with one of mine...

checked for puncture, nowt, was leaking at the rim


they resealed the tyre with some orange gunk for porous wheels.


job done  :y :y
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Mr Hagon on 12 February 2010, 07:38:59
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wouldnt like to say if thats normal air loss over a fortnight or a possible puncture if there is a nail os screw etc stuck in the tyres. Strange that both fronts are loosing the same amount, are the fronts differant to th rear?
Wheels and tyres are identical all round.  Will check over them both at the weekend in good light to see if there's a nail/screw etc.  Then will check the valve and if all else fails I guess is the seal between the rim and the tyre.
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Mr Hagon on 12 February 2010, 07:41:37
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I had this with one of mine...

checked for puncture, nowt, was leaking at the rim


they resealed the tyre with some orange gunk for porous wheels.


job done  :y :y
A trip to WIM is on the cards so will get them to take a look if it's not the valve or something else causing the pressure loss.
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Debs. on 12 February 2010, 08:17:11
Such a very slow air loss can sometimes be because a thorn (e.g from a hedge) has punctured and become embedded in the tyre.....`ask me how I know! ::)

They can be very difficult to find, however; often only by demounting the tyre and stroking your hand fully around the entire inner surface of the tyre.

A 'good' tyre-shop/garage would be prepared to spend sufficient time doing this to fix the problem for good.
My local tyre-shop charged £10. for the leak-search, repair, a new valve and the re-balancing.
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: guncharmer on 12 February 2010, 08:45:34
Alloys start oxidising on the inner rim where the tyres seals,this process forms a light crust which is porous,a good tyre fitter will always give this area a sanding over and remove previous sealant before reapplying sealant and fitting the new tyre.Very common complaint with alloy wheels.
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: bob.dent on 12 February 2010, 09:48:25
I occassionally have this problem with my front tyres and usually find they need removing then re-sealing.
Some alloys are particularly soft (as my Azev alloys are) and can be prone to dents/buckles in the rim (especialy with all the potholes in the roads at the moment) which allow air to escape. I've had to have mine straightened with a copper mallet more than once.
Title: Re: Tyre pressure loss - is it the wheel?
Post by: Drewomega on 12 February 2010, 11:57:30
I had the same problem on both my front alloy wheels. I took the tyres off and sanded the insides of alloy wheels then painted smooth silver hammerite on. Job done. It has been over a year now and no leaks at all.  :y