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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: duggs on 21 February 2010, 13:39:31
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ALL the heated seats work fine in my Elite....apart from one...the drivers.
What are the likely suspects please. I assume its not a fuse as all the others work fine.
With a TC card I'm happy to replace stuff thats broke but would like to know what to aim at !
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element has burned out, if you have leather they are stiched in and not really possible to replace.
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Rats ! I have leather...What is the cylinderical thing within the seat back....could that have gone pop !
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Rats ! I have leather...What is the cylinderical thing within the seat back....could that have gone pop !
That could be something to do with the airbag, don't want to be messing with that. :o
Mick ;)
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Good point Mick..never thought of that..thank you.
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Gonna say it again - you CAN fit aftermarket heater pads to leather - it's a PITA, but do-able. :y
Carefully cut out as close to the stitching without cutting the stitching, carefully pull off the cut pads away from the leather after applying some heat (heat gun is best, hairdryer quite cold in comparison), to warm up any glue (sometimes glue wasn't used though).
To fit new pads, simply glue to the foam, making sure they are the right side up.
Route new wires so they don't pass near any mechanisms or hinges and reconnect.
Airbags - not usually a problem, won't go off by banging them and are usually pretty safe.
Also, airbags are virtually useless after 5/6 years, so please, don't rely on them to work.
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Gonna say it again - you CAN fit aftermarket heater pads to leather - it's a PITA, but do-able. :y
Carefully cut out as close to the stitching without cutting the stitching, carefully pull off the cut pads away from the leather after applying some heat (heat gun is best, hairdryer quite cold in comparison), to warm up any glue (sometimes glue wasn't used though).
To fit new pads, simply glue to the foam, making sure they are the right side up.
Route new wires so they don't pass near any mechanisms or hinges and reconnect.
Airbags - not usually a problem, won't go off by banging them and are usually pretty safe.
Also, airbags are virtually useless after 5/6 years, so please, don't rely on them to work.
Cutting out the leather.... like i say not really possible to replace.
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It is possible to cut the seams without cutting the leather but if you dont know what you are doing a seamstress would be better tackling it. Do you have any mates in the army that know their garrison tailor? Also there is often someone in the regiment married to a girl who has been a seastress at some point in their life.
If you were closer I would help, I'm no expert but this is within my abilities. Are you popping down this way anytime soon? ::)
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Gonna say it again - you CAN fit aftermarket heater pads to leather - it's a PITA, but do-able. :y
Carefully cut out as close to the stitching without cutting the stitching, carefully pull off the cut pads away from the leather after applying some heat (heat gun is best, hairdryer quite cold in comparison), to warm up any glue (sometimes glue wasn't used though).
To fit new pads, simply glue to the foam, making sure they are the right side up.
Route new wires so they don't pass near any mechanisms or hinges and reconnect.
Airbags - not usually a problem, won't go off by banging them and are usually pretty safe.
Also, airbags are virtually useless after 5/6 years, so please, don't rely on them to work.
Cutting out the leather.... like i say not really possible to replace.
FFS -you cut the pads not the leather!
I've done a few Omegas when I was a trimmer, but then what do I know.
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Gonna say it again - you CAN fit aftermarket heater pads to leather - it's a PITA, but do-able. :y
Carefully cut out as close to the stitching without cutting the stitching, carefully pull off the cut pads away from the leather after applying some heat (heat gun is best, hairdryer quite cold in comparison), to warm up any glue (sometimes glue wasn't used though).
To fit new pads, simply glue to the foam, making sure they are the right side up.
Route new wires so they don't pass near any mechanisms or hinges and reconnect.
Airbags - not usually a problem, won't go off by banging them and are usually pretty safe.
Also, airbags are virtually useless after 5/6 years, so please, don't rely on them to work.
Cutting out the leather.... like i say not really possible to replace.
FFS -you cut the pads not the leather!
I've done a few Omegas when I was a trimmer, but then what do I know.
Well post up the link to this 'guide' you did then, and show us how its done.
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Gonna say it again - you CAN fit aftermarket heater pads to leather - it's a PITA, but do-able. :y
Carefully cut out as close to the stitching without cutting the stitching, carefully pull off the cut pads away from the leather after applying some heat (heat gun is best, hairdryer quite cold in comparison), to warm up any glue (sometimes glue wasn't used though).
To fit new pads, simply glue to the foam, making sure they are the right side up.
Route new wires so they don't pass near any mechanisms or hinges and reconnect.
Airbags - not usually a problem, won't go off by banging them and are usually pretty safe.
Also, airbags are virtually useless after 5/6 years, so please, don't rely on them to work.
Why do you say that?
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Cloth seat picture from the guide:
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/HowtoRemoveClothSeatHeaterPads/92seatheaterpad.jpg)
Fairly straight forward, but its going to be a pig removing that from Leather, cutting the stiching is going to be messy.
I doubt most people will be willing to completley remove the seat either, so its not practical to replace with DIY skills.
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What guide was that? Not got any pics of doing it and not been trimming for nigh-on two years.
I've described how to change the pads, but to be honest, there's a bit more to it like removal of seats (some people think it can be done in situ), removing plastics, separating the two halves of the seat etc etc etc.
It is a DIY job but like owt else, some people can, some people can't and some people won't.
Swap an alternator? Easy.
Repair an alternator? Erm lets just fit another alternator.
So by saying if you have leather they are stiched in and not really possible to replace" is actually a falsehood and perhaps just your experience or beleif, and unfortunatley, alot of people only believe what they hear, not what they know.
I'm saying that it can be done - as I've done it quite a few times on Omegas with good results.
As to practicality - Is it practical to DIY rebuild an engine? Course it is for some people, but others can't, won't or even have the tools.
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Gonna say it again - you CAN fit aftermarket heater pads to leather - it's a PITA, but do-able. :y
Carefully cut out as close to the stitching without cutting the stitching, carefully pull off the cut pads away from the leather after applying some heat (heat gun is best, hairdryer quite cold in comparison), to warm up any glue (sometimes glue wasn't used though).
To fit new pads, simply glue to the foam, making sure they are the right side up.
Route new wires so they don't pass near any mechanisms or hinges and reconnect.
Airbags - not usually a problem, won't go off by banging them and are usually pretty safe.
Also, airbags are virtually useless after 5/6 years, so please, don't rely on them to work.
Why do you say that?
Quite a few in the trade have said, and we tried to set a few old ones off to see if they would work - only one did. Made us all jump I can tell ya!
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What guide was that?
The one you mentioned here:
they do fail, with leather your bum should be on fire within about 1 minute, if not they have failed.
Sadly they cannot be replaced on leather as they are stitched in :(
Oh yes they can!
I've done it a few times, and typed it all up - do a search! :y
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1266506300/4#4
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Quite a few in the trade have said, and we tried to set a few old ones off to see if they would work - only one did. Made us all jump I can tell ya!
unfortunatley, alot of people only believe what they hear, not what they know.
Bit of a contradiction there, seen Mk1 Mondeos in a mess around a lamp post with the airbags deployed :y
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Gonna say it again - you CAN fit aftermarket heater pads to leather - it's a PITA, but do-able. :y
Carefully cut out as close to the stitching without cutting the stitching, carefully pull off the cut pads away from the leather after applying some heat (heat gun is best, hairdryer quite cold in comparison), to warm up any glue (sometimes glue wasn't used though).
To fit new pads, simply glue to the foam, making sure they are the right side up.
Route new wires so they don't pass near any mechanisms or hinges and reconnect.
Airbags - not usually a problem, won't go off by banging them and are usually pretty safe.
Also, airbags are virtually useless after 5/6 years, so please, don't rely on them to work.
Why do you say that?
Quite a few in the trade have said, and we tried to set a few old ones off to see if they would work - only one did. Made us all jump I can tell ya!
Interesting. I know two mates that have had airbags go off when they should do - both in older cars (one a K, one an R). When I stripped down a cloth CDX seat (actually to salvage the heather elements), I set off the bags for the hell of it - both worked fine - so I have a 100% rate in my experience.
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What guide was that?
The one you mentioned here:
they do fail, with leather your bum should be on fire within about 1 minute, if not they have failed.
Sadly they cannot be replaced on leather as they are stitched in :(
Oh yes they can!
I've done it a few times, and typed it all up - do a search! :y
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1266506300/4#4
That was simply an answer to a query, not a 'How To'.
I said to do a search cos I dunno where I put it and I couldn't type it up in the reply.
I haven't done a 'How To' because I have no pics to accompany the text, so no real point.
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Gonna say it again - you CAN fit aftermarket heater pads to leather - it's a PITA, but do-able. :y
Carefully cut out as close to the stitching without cutting the stitching, carefully pull off the cut pads away from the leather after applying some heat (heat gun is best, hairdryer quite cold in comparison), to warm up any glue (sometimes glue wasn't used though).
To fit new pads, simply glue to the foam, making sure they are the right side up.
Route new wires so they don't pass near any mechanisms or hinges and reconnect.
Airbags - not usually a problem, won't go off by banging them and are usually pretty safe.
Also, airbags are virtually useless after 5/6 years, so please, don't rely on them to work.
Why do you say that?
Quite a few in the trade have said, and we tried to set a few old ones off to see if they would work - only one did. Made us all jump I can tell ya!
Interesting. I know two mates that have had airbags go off when they should do - both in older cars (one a K, one an R). When I stripped down a cloth CDX seat (actually to salvage the heather elements), I set off the bags for the hell of it - both worked fine - so I have a 100% rate in my experience.
And that's the crux - we all go by our experiences! :y
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Quite a few in the trade have said, and we tried to set a few old ones off to see if they would work - only one did. Made us all jump I can tell ya!
unfortunatley, alot of people only believe what they hear, not what they know.
Bit of a contradiction there, seen Mk1 Mondeos in a mess around a lamp post with the airbags deployed :y
Very comforting to know then!
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Thank you for all your replies...I was just rather hoping that it was a case of a simply replacement of something or the other.
To be honest as long as my wife and kids get warm butts they're happy...and as we ALL know..if they are happy..we are happy !
I just don't like things NOT working but if its not a simple fix, I'll leave it alone. Thx guys.
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have beans for breakie, few farts should warm that leather up ;D :y
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Funnily enough i get the same result from porridge..job done !