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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Humpy on 23 March 2010, 19:34:41
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As the title suggests, SWMBO came in this morning in tears as her car'd filled up with smoke when she started it! On closer inspection, the drive belt tensioner has disintegrated, and the belt was running around the remains on the spigot that the pulley runs on :o The lucky bit was the spigot had neatly trimmed the outside 4 or 5mm of the belt which was then wrapped around everything in site under the bonnet ;D
Got the car to work where I looked closer and saw that the tensioner had disintegrated big time. I managed to get one from my local dealer, at £67 'cos it's not a trade club item? I asked the guy (as both our cars are the same sort of vintage) if they have a history of failing, he reckoned not.
So, are they a trade club item? Are there cheaper pattern parts that are ok? Are they a problem? If so I don't mind changing the one on my car, just in case.
Humpy
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Don't know what state yours is in but people usually just change the pulley...
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You can just buy the pulley which is a lot cheaper ::)
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Well, I presume there is a bearing in there somewhere but it's not there now. Can you buy the pulleys seperately? They are plastic which is a shame as the rest of the assembly is built like the proverbial brick outhouse.
Sorry must type faster!
Humpy
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Well, I presume there is a bearing in there somewhere but it's not there now. Can you buy the pulleys seperately? They are plastic which is a shame as the rest of the assembly is built like the proverbial brick outhouse.
Humpy
Yep, but the dealer won't tell you that. The bearing in the pulley runs dry, gets very hot and melts the pulley but the tensioner itself is fine oh and its only a few minute job to replace the pulley.
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Well, I presume there is a bearing in there somewhere but it's not there now. Can you buy the pulleys seperately? .....
Yes. ;) I did look at pushing the old bearing out & replacing it but the pulley is moulded around it. It is available seperately. :y
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You can buy a pulley but unfortunately I did not keep the bearing number but I'm sure someone will be along soon with the number.
If I remember correctly it was less than £10.
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Go on then, ruin my day, how much are the pulleys?
Again, must type faster!!
Humpy
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If I remember correctly it was less than £10.
FFS! No wonder stealers are called, well, stealers. I'll keep the old one and see if I can get anothe pulley for it. At least it's a spare then. I'll have a look at changing mine then, for a tenner you can't go wrong. You live and learn.
Humpy
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22/03/2008
Part no : 9157962
Description : 44L3 Pulley
Unit Price £23.05
Trade Price ( flashed me TC card) £20.75
VAT £3.63
Amount Paid £24.38
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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You can buy a pulley but unfortunately I did not keep the bearing number but I'm sure someone will be along soon with the number.
If I remember correctly it was less than £10.
Sorry more than I thought!
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.... I did not keep the bearing number but I'm sure someone will be along soon with the number. ....
The actual bearing is a 6203 2RS, but as said, I didn't try too hard to remove the old bearing from the centre of the pulley. ;)
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If that's the right bearing number from Andy then this might interest you.....
http://www.bearingshopuk.co.uk/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=2679&kw=6203-2rs&fl=108419&ci=904089877&network=s&gclid=CL-g0OvTz6ACFRM_lAodfk58Pw
or this
http://www.western-towing.co.uk/acatalog/Ballrace_bearings.html
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If that's the right bearing number from Andy then this might interest you.....
http://www.bearingshopuk.co.uk/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=2679&kw=6203-2rs&fl=108419&ci=904089877&network=s&gclid=CL-g0OvTz6ACFRM_lAodfk58Pw
or this
http://www.western-towing.co.uk/acatalog/Ballrace_bearings.html
Of course it was ;)
I got the bearing for nothing, but you'd have to be really careful getting the old bearing out without breaking the pulley, as said, the plastic is moulded around the very edge of the bearing outer. It's not just pressed in. :y
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Some good info here.
Just wondering; anyone know if the pulley is the same on a 4-pot?
Could be worth acquiring a scrappie pulley and re-bearing-ing it to have as a spare??
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Some good info here.
Just wondering; anyone know if the pulley is the same on a 4-pot?
Could be worth acquiring a scrappie pulley and re-bearing-ing it to have as a spare??
If worried for the sake of £25 I'd just buy another !!!
:)
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;D You calling me tight?
As it happens, I have a brand new 6203-2RS bearing kicking about, so if it is the same pulley/bearing on a 4-pot it would be an 'almost free' exercise, assuming the 2nd-hand pulley could be had for £not-a-lot.
:)
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;D You calling me tight?
As it happens, I have a brand new 6203-2RS bearing kicking about, so if it is the same pulley/bearing on a 4-pot it would be an 'almost free' exercise, assuming the 2nd-hand pulley could be had for £not-a-lot.
:)
yep - buy a new tensioner pulley for £24 :y
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Some good info here.
Just wondering; anyone know if the pulley is the same on a 4-pot?
Could be worth acquiring a scrappie pulley and re-bearing-ing it to have as a spare??
The pulley on the 4 pot is different.
In the case of the 2/3 engine, the pulley is metal and secured around the bearing with 3 rivets....these can be drilled out and the bearing replaced and then suitable bolts with nylocks used to re-assemble the 2 halves
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Right, after returning from a few days away, the lads in my local workshop who were going to do the job can't as the belt that I had is too short! My local stealer hadn't got one so I ordered one but today I was near another stealership so I called in on the off chance that they had one. They had but guess what, I offer it up to the old one and it's too short :'( How hard can it be to get a f**king fan belt >:( Does anybody know what part number a fan belt/drive belt is for a 3.0 Elite '95? The one they've given me is 93181720
Please save me from tearing out what little hair I have left!!
Humpy
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93181720 is the correct part......what year is the engine?
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Marks DTM,
'95 3.0 Interestingly, I've rung my local dealer and they've come up with the same part no.!
The existing belt is 2260mm which is what that 93181720 part number says it is but when you look on the new belt it says 2020mm!!! Just had a long conversation with the local dealer who has looked at their new belt, which has the correct part number but again has 2020 written on it.
Like I said, how hard is it to get a flippin' fan belt? I wish I'd gone to the local motor factors now :(
Humpy
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perhaps gm have a wrongly labeled batch. A gates rep once told us you can normally get away with a belt 10mm bigger or smaller in most cases as adjusters will compensate. dont know if its right but ive got out of trouble a few times with this. as yoy know the size as you do go to a factors and get the same size belt.
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as yoy know the size as you do go to a factors and get the same size belt
I'm on my way! This is ridiculous, the car's laid up for want of something so stupid...
Humpy
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Got one, £12 :D
Humpy
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Ok, this is an easy one.
I suspect you have the early engine which has the additional pulley to the right of the crank pulley as per the lower one of the 3 pics below
You need to bypass it as per the centre pic:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Maintenance%20Guides/V6beltlayout.jpg)
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Mark,
So a; how come the dealer couldn't tell me this and b; why did that part number say that it was a 2260 mm belt as opposed to the 2020mm belt that it really is!
Ay curramba! I just want a running Omega :'(
Humpy
PS I'm not doubting what you say mate, it's just so frustrating!
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A) Because they probably forgot, the engine with the extra idler was discontinued in 1995
B) Was it your old belt that said 2260....as the correct later belt (which is retrofitted) is 2200
:y
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I should add that Vx have not supplied the longer belt for about 15 years.....so if it was a GM one then its done BLOODY well
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Mark,
Yes the old belt was 2260 so it may be the original which is impressive!!
Humpy
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Job done, new genuine shorter belt fitted, SWMBO's happy which means I'm happy :)
Humpy
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Job done, new genuine shorter belt fitted, SWMBO's happy which means I'm happy :)
Humpy
Did you remove your 'extra' pulley?
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Job done, new genuine shorter belt fitted, SWMBO's happy which means I'm happy :)
Humpy
Did you remove your 'extra' pulley?
You normaly just leave it there
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Job done, new genuine shorter belt fitted, SWMBO's happy which means I'm happy :)
Humpy
Did you remove your 'extra' pulley?
You normaly just leave it there
OK
I didn't know if they did, or if the extra pulley sat in the path of the shorter belt. :y
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Yup, still there but freewheeling in the wind!
Humpy