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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: joshwyatt on 08 April 2010, 19:37:01
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I sold the MV6 yesterday, it's a 2002 '52' Y26SE (2.6)
We went out on a test drive, all was fine.
He drove it home to Farnborough from Oxford, all fine.
But this morning the oil pressure light came on, he said that there was lots of smoke out the back and it sounded a bit tappety.
I actually feel physically sick at knowing this. It was sold as seen. But I can't just leave it, that's not right at all.
So I really need some urgent help.
Are any of the mobile mechanics or local knowledgable members able to go and look at the car, and find out what's up with it?
The vehicle is in Farnborough. Ideally I need it looked at asap, I'll pay whatever for your time, fuel getting there, expertise etc.
I just feel so bad, there was a minor oil seepage from the oil pressure sensor, took it to my local garage who I always use, it was sorted. But I never had any issues with it, it drove perfectly and the oil pressure light had never been on before.
It drove fine when he test drove it, but obviously something has happened.
I'm fearing the worse like blown crank case or something really bad.
The bloke's being reasonable, but I need to get something sorted. I don't want to take the car back, but if it can't be fixed then clearly I'll have to.
Any help appreciated.
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For Farnborough I think Kevin Wood is probably your best hope .. as in "near and knowledgeable" ... certainly fits both if he's available .. its about 20 odd miles I think ...
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Hmmm, is this the curse of TheBoy?
(For members not knowing what I'm on about, I very nearly bought this car)
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Thanks Entwood :y
I'm glad you didn't buy it TB, I just feel so annoyed that somethings happened. I'm under no obligation to take the vehicle back, he test drove it, looked over it, I gave him all the time he needed. But it's not right to just go...sorry...it's now your car.
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I actually work only a couple of miles from Farnborough - but I'm unlikely to be able to do anything before Monday because I'm away this weekend. Could possibly have a quick look early evening on Monday, and would be happy to do so. :y
I reckon oil pressure switch overtightened, stripped thread and pi$$ed oil out all over the exhaust manifold - but just a guess.
I hope the engine was stopped quickly. :-/
Kevin
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Sorry Kevin, sent you a PM before I saw your reply in the thread :-[
That's very kind of you, I appreciate any assistance :y
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sorry to hear this, looks like such a tidy example!
Sure KevinW will be able to provide insight into this, does not sound good :'(
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Thanks Tunnie, it could be simple, or could be terminal :-/
But the fact I sold it, and the guy now has it...that's the issue. If it was still here with me, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'm under no obligation to do anything about it, he test drove spent ages looking over it and it was fine. But I don't think many people would think it reasonable for me not to do anything.
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By law ... you can walk away ...
By common decency .... you can "assist" in some way towards rectification
By "good name"/reputation ..... you can refund/take the car back
By conscience ... it is up to you whether you sleep at night ....
(I have a feeling I know which it will be .... :) )
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By law ... you can walk away ...
I don't know much about civil law mate so you are probably right - but bearing in mind Josh is a dealer, I was of the impression that when dealers sell a car, they must be fit for purpose, within reason...
I guess engine blowing up in first couple of days isn't really fit for purpose, so I wonder if actually, there is legally some recourse, in such a situation - on the basis it was bought from a dealer (albeit a smaller scale one)
It's irrelivent though - because we all know Josh will take any reasonable steps to rectify ;)
Josh - you say it was smoking? Out the exhaust??
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Thanks James :y
Hopefully it can fixed, which I'll pay for. But if it tuens out to be dead, then I'll give him a full refund and try and work out what to do with a dead MV6.
I don't know about the smoke, it was only what he said to me on the phone...so I haven't seen or really know how bad it is. That's what worries me the most, it could be a major problem...or only a minor issue.
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Thanks James :y
Hopefully it can fixed, which I'll pay for. But if it tuens out to be dead, then I'll give him a full refund and try and work out what to do with a dead MV6.
I don't know about the smoke, it was only what he said to me on the phone...so I haven't seen or really know how bad it is. That's what worries me the most, it could be a major problem...or only a minor issue.
Hmmm, I know that feeling ;D
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Thanks James :y
Hopefully it can fixed, which I'll pay for. But if it tuens out to be dead, then I'll give him a full refund and try and work out what to do with a dead MV6.
I don't know about the smoke, it was only what he said to me on the phone...so I haven't seen or really know how bad it is. That's what worries me the most, it could be a major problem...or only a minor issue.
I was right then ... :y :y :y :y
;) ;) ;) ;)
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Thank you Entwood :y
I can't believe how bad I feel, I actually feel sick. Technically I could just say...sorry mate, that's tough. But if I were him I wouldn't be happy, and can't wish that on anyone.
;D you're right TB, no idea what to do with it. It's either going to be sold as spares/repairs or broken for parts. Alternatively it might be an easy fix.
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Oil pressure light, sounding tappy, and loads of smoke out the back isn't usually an easy fix... :-[ But we really need to know more :y
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That's what I fear James...
Need to get it looked at asap, he's said he wants to bring it back on Saturday and charge me for the recovery service to bring it to Oxford. Ideally I want to avoid that, and work out what's wrong with it before he does that.
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That's what I fear James...
Need to get it looked at asap, he's said he wants to bring it back on Saturday and charge me for the recovery service to bring it to Oxford. Ideally I want to avoid that, and work out what's wrong with it before he does that.
If he wants you to do something about repairs, it should IHO be on your terms, not his! :y
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Josh .. push comes to shove I could tow it from Farnbourough to you tomorrow ... .. but I only have a rope ... nowt fancy .. so if its auto thats a no-no already I guess ... :(
Farnborough is only an hour from here, but it would need the guy to steer, and then he'd have to get home ... :(
I'm willing to help if needed ..
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You are being more than reasonable in your offer of taking the car back mate - you have no obligation to cover any recovery costs (IMHO)
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Josh .. push comes to shove I could tow it from Farnbourough to you tomorrow ... .. but I only have a rope ... nowt fancy .. so if its auto thats a no-no already I guess ... :(
Farnborough is only an hour from here, but it would need the guy to steer, and then he'd have to get home ... :(
I'm willing to help if needed ..
manual ;)
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Josh .. push comes to shove I could tow it from Farnbourough to you tomorrow ... .. but I only have a rope ... nowt fancy .. so if its auto thats a no-no already I guess ... :(
Farnborough is only an hour from here, but it would need the guy to steer, and then he'd have to get home ... :(
I'm willing to help if needed ..
manual ;)
well its doable then ... just need someone to steer .. would prefer a bar .. but needs must ... but would he be happy being towed on a rope with no servo brakes .. ??
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Josh .. push comes to shove I could tow it from Farnbourough to you tomorrow ... .. but I only have a rope ... nowt fancy .. so if its auto thats a no-no already I guess ... :(
Farnborough is only an hour from here, but it would need the guy to steer, and then he'd have to get home ... :(
I'm willing to help if needed ..
That is such a kind offer Entwood, it's a manual so would make it easier. But I feel that would be taking a liberty, and without power brakes aren't going to be all they should. With a tow rope there's always the possibility of damage to the towing vehicle, I couldn't take that risk with a vehicle that doesn't belong to me.
Thank you ever so much for the offer, but I'll try and find other ways if possible :y
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If the car can be transported to Josh's, I can take a comprehensive look either late this weekend, or early in the week....
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OK Josh ... point taken .. so .. anyone within a decent distance from me with a bar ??? or even a dolly as I have a pikey hitch ...
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I can loan you a bar Josh, but you'll still need a driver in towed car.
Futher than I would want to tow a car on a bar/rope.
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Josh, any of your current cars got tow bar? Saw Transit in background of one shot, that got pikey bar? Seen notice in local MOT station which does good rates on car transporter trailers, around £30 for day i think
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1/2 a plan ... Josh picks up bar from TB while I drive to oxford, pick up Josh & bar .. down to Farnborough .. I tow it back with Josh driving ???
EDIT .. or use my pikey bar with Tunnies idea ???
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Thanks Tunnie, it could be simple, or could be terminal :-/
But the fact I sold it, and the guy now has it...that's the issue. If it was still here with me, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'm under no obligation to do anything about it, he test drove spent ages looking over it and it was fine. But I don't think many people would think it reasonable for me not to do anything.[/quote]
By the sound of it, this guy needs reminding of his legal position! You are going out of your way to put something right which legally is not your problem. :o :y
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Unfortunately none have tow bars, the Transit doesn't and has no MOT or Tax, so that can't be used, otherise that would be an ideal vehicle really to use. I think my only course is to give him a full refund, and just get the vehicle back to me. I'm really hoping it's something simple and it can be fixed. He did say he wants to keep the car if I can fix it, but he's giving me about 48 hours to get it done. He has another car, so it's not like his stuck. I understand he's not pleased, I'm not sure how to play it. I want to try and do everything as much as he wants, but I don't see how I can.
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1/2 a plan ... Josh picks up bar from TB while I drive to oxford, pick up Josh & bar .. down to Farnborough .. I tow it back with Josh driving ???
EDIT .. or use my pikey bar with Tunnies idea ???
Entwood, you're such a top bloke :y
But I'd feel bad you going out of your way by so much, unlitmately it's my problem and don't want to cause you any trouble.
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It's not a problem ... I'm part of the "great unwashed" these days ... and SWTSMBO is on half-term holiday ... a day out would do my sanity the world of good :y :y :y :y
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Unfortunately none have tow bars, the Transit doesn't and has no MOT or Tax, so that can't be used, otherise that would be an ideal vehicle really to use. I think my only course is to give him a full refund, and just get the vehicle back to me. I'm really hoping it's something simple and it can be fixed. He did say he wants to keep the car if I can fix it, but he's giving me about 48 hours to get it done. He has another car, so it's not like his stuck. I understand he's not pleased, I'm not sure how to play it. I want to try and do everything as much as he wants, but I don't see how I can.
Josh - giving you 48 hours is totally unreasonable mate.
Play him at his own game. Tell him you will assess the car in 1 weeks time, or else he keeps it as it is - final offer...
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1/2 a plan ... Josh picks up bar from TB while I drive to oxford, pick up Josh & bar .. down to Farnborough .. I tow it back with Josh driving ???
EDIT .. or use my pikey bar with Tunnies idea ???
Entwood, you're such a top bloke :y
But I'd feel bad you going out of your way by so much, unlitmately it's my problem and don't want to cause you any trouble.
Towing with bar is not too bad, as its a manual should be fine. But, its good 60 miles :-/
Most simple route is M3/M25/M40, trailer could be best way, officially you are over weight though, depends if plod would be nit picky :-/
I am not around till Sunday, but if you need extra pair of hands i can be about :y
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Unfortunately none have tow bars, the Transit doesn't and has no MOT or Tax, so that can't be used, otherise that would be an ideal vehicle really to use. I think my only course is to give him a full refund, and just get the vehicle back to me. I'm really hoping it's something simple and it can be fixed. He did say he wants to keep the car if I can fix it, but he's giving me about 48 hours to get it done. He has another car, so it's not like his stuck. I understand he's not pleased, I'm not sure how to play it. I want to try and do everything as much as he wants, but I don't see how I can.
Josh - giving you 48 hours is totally unreasonable mate.
Play him at his own game. Tell him you will assess the car in 1 weeks time, or else he keeps it as it is - final offer...
I agree James, but as we all know Mr Wyatt to well, he won't be having any of that, and for that he needs to be praised. Well done Mr Wyatt.
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i'd just remind him that he bought the car as seen
good on you for trying too help the bloke out mate :y
too many wan@ers in your game :(
by all means, help the bloke out if you can ( and good on you for it ) but beware of him taking the pish out of your good nature ;) ;)
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Unfortunately none have tow bars, the Transit doesn't and has no MOT or Tax, so that can't be used, otherise that would be an ideal vehicle really to use. I think my only course is to give him a full refund, and just get the vehicle back to me. I'm really hoping it's something simple and it can be fixed. He did say he wants to keep the car if I can fix it, but he's giving me about 48 hours to get it done. He has another car, so it's not like his stuck. I understand he's not pleased, I'm not sure how to play it. I want to try and do everything as much as he wants, but I don't see how I can.
Josh - giving you 48 hours is totally unreasonable mate.
Play him at his own game. Tell him you will assess the car in 1 weeks time, or else he keeps it as it is - final offer...
I agree James, but as we all know Mr Wyatt to well, he won't be having any of that, and for that he needs to be praised. Well done Mr Wyatt.
Not sure I agree, actually.. .best intentions aside, (which Josh clearly has) you cannot let people lay the law down to you, like that.
I'm not saying be unhelpful... just don't let him walk all over you from the start.
Fix it on your terms Josh, or not at all :y
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I can drop a tow pole off in Kidlington tomorrow, mid/late evening.... ??
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I can't help Saturday - visiting daughter in Cardiff - .. but could do Sunday if the pole got dropped tomorrow night ??
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If pole reqd earlier (ie, tomorrow), I'm at home in Brackley all day until 5ish, if someone can collect.
Earliest I can drop it off to Josh myself is around 8pm ish
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I echo comments of others, fix it on your terms Josh, you have no legal obligation to fix.
How you getting down there Josh? I can run you down there if needed?
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Josh's call .. offer is there .. :)
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If pole reqd earlier (ie, tomorrow), I'm at home in Brackley all day until 5ish, if someone can collect.
Earliest I can drop it off to Josh myself is around 8pm ish
I can take the pole down on Sunday if thats any help
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Thank you all, I'll phone the guy early tomorrow to try and organise what can be done. As soon as I've got any info I'll let you al know, special thanks to Jamie and Nige...you've really cheered me up. There's no way I'm going to sleep tonight, but I feel better. Sorry to mess you both about, but I'm not really sure what's going on. After I've confirmed with this guy, I'll let you know :y
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Thank you all, I'll phone the guy early tomorrow to try and organise what can be done. As soon as I've got any info I'll let you al know, special thanks to Jamie and Nige...you've really cheered me up. There's no way I'm going to sleep tonight, but I feel better. Sorry to mess you both about, but I'm not really sure what's going on. After I've confirmed with this guy, I'll let you know :y
No need to thank me, I'm in Horspath tomorrow early evening, so can come back Kidlington rather than Wheatley/M40, so you're not putting me out :y
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Josh, if you can get the car back to yours, I will endeavour to fix it for you.
I understand you will be doing me a huge favour when the right estate comes along ::) - so it will be FOC from a labour perspective ;)
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Josh .. PM .. :)
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mentioning 48 hrs to solve this problem is at least "rude" by any language..
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Josh, if you can get the car back to yours, I will endeavour to fix it for you.
I understand you will be doing me a huge favour when the right estate comes along ::) - so it will be FOC from a labour perspective ;)
James, you're such a good mate. I've been on the lookout for an estate, Paul may have one coming along shortly, but may have found two. One suitable for each.
I do love Omega's, but they can be troubelsome...I may give them a miss for a bit after this. I always think that, then buy one anway :D
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Keep at it Josh - maybe they are sometimes troublesome, but, as an example, I am lost with this Pug - I wish I was maintaining a Mig, regardless of my 58mpg!
You have the support of all of us with these machines, unfortunately - sh!t happens, but, it can be overcome :y
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mentioning 48 hrs to solve this problem is at least "rude" by any language..
Agreed. Had the buyer been reasonable, recognised that your doing anything was going to be above any beyond.. and accepted that any help would be on your terms and as and when you could arrange it, it would be OK.
With his current attitude, I would say you should offer him a refund and collect the car as and when you can, or nowt. Otherwise, every time there's the slightest rattle, he'll pester you, IMHO. It's all very well being amicable in such situations, but it takes both sides to meet in the middle somewhere. With his current attitude he doesn't deserve too much slack to be cut IMHO.
Kevin
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Unfortunately none have tow bars, the Transit doesn't and has no MOT or Tax, so that can't be used, otherise that would be an ideal vehicle really to use. I think my only course is to give him a full refund, and just get the vehicle back to me. I'm really hoping it's something simple and it can be fixed. He did say he wants to keep the car if I can fix it, but he's giving me about 48 hours to get it done. He has another car, so it's not like his stuck. I understand he's not pleased, I'm not sure how to play it. I want to try and do everything as much as he wants, but I don't see how I can.
If he is being funny and demanding a repair within 48 hours then don't take it back. Whats to say he hasn't thought I don't like this and ragged it like a gooden and done the damage himself? If he was resonable then yes, I understand what you would like to do, fix it etc I would do the same. On the same token if he was being rude which is how it comes across as you're not legally obliged to do anything I'd tell him to piss off.
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Unfortunately none have tow bars, the Transit doesn't and has no MOT or Tax, so that can't be used, otherise that would be an ideal vehicle really to use. I think my only course is to give him a full refund, and just get the vehicle back to me. I'm really hoping it's something simple and it can be fixed. He did say he wants to keep the car if I can fix it, but he's giving me about 48 hours to get it done. He has another car, so it's not like his stuck. I understand he's not pleased, I'm not sure how to play it. I want to try and do everything as much as he wants, but I don't see how I can.
If he is being funny and demanding a repair within 48 hours then don't take it back. Whats to say he hasn't thought I don't like this and ragged it like a gooden and done the damage himself? If he was resonable then yes, I understand what you would like to do, fix it etc I would do the same. On the same token if he was being rude which is how it comes across as you're not legally obliged to do anything I'd tell him to piss off.
I think that's about where my thoughts were leading at the end of my reply. :y
If you go in with guns blazing ranting and raving and throwing your teddies out of the pram before trying to amicably sort out a problem you rarely get the outcome you want in life.
Kevin
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Unfortunately none have tow bars, the Transit doesn't and has no MOT or Tax, so that can't be used, otherise that would be an ideal vehicle really to use. I think my only course is to give him a full refund, and just get the vehicle back to me. I'm really hoping it's something simple and it can be fixed. He did say he wants to keep the car if I can fix it, but he's giving me about 48 hours to get it done. He has another car, so it's not like his stuck. I understand he's not pleased, I'm not sure how to play it. I want to try and do everything as much as he wants, but I don't see how I can.
If he is being funny and demanding a repair within 48 hours then don't take it back. Whats to say he hasn't thought I don't like this and ragged it like a gooden and done the damage himself? If he was resonable then yes, I understand what you would like to do, fix it etc I would do the same. On the same token if he was being rude which is how it comes across as you're not legally obliged to do anything I'd tell him to piss off.
I think that's about where my thoughts were leading at the end of my reply. :y
If you go in with guns blazing ranting and raving and throwing your teddies out of the pram before trying to amicably sort out a problem you rarely get the outcome you want in life.
Kevin
Nail, head! If he had been reasonable, then I would totally agree with what Josh is doing. With that attitude, I'd say sort it yourself. You don't have to do anything and you are, so he should accept any help he gets!
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Unfortunately none have tow bars, the Transit doesn't and has no MOT or Tax, so that can't be used, otherise that would be an ideal vehicle really to use. I think my only course is to give him a full refund, and just get the vehicle back to me. I'm really hoping it's something simple and it can be fixed. He did say he wants to keep the car if I can fix it, but he's giving me about 48 hours to get it done. He has another car, so it's not like his stuck. I understand he's not pleased, I'm not sure how to play it. I want to try and do everything as much as he wants, but I don't see how I can.
If he is being funny and demanding a repair within 48 hours then don't take it back. Whats to say he hasn't thought I don't like this and ragged it like a gooden and done the damage himself? If he was resonable then yes, I understand what you would like to do, fix it etc I would do the same. On the same token if he was being rude which is how it comes across as you're not legally obliged to do anything I'd tell him to piss off.
I think that's about where my thoughts were leading at the end of my reply. :y
If you go in with guns blazing ranting and raving and throwing your teddies out of the pram before trying to amicably sort out a problem you rarely get the outcome you want in life.
Kevin
Josh - to echo my PM, I agree with Kevin.
As I said earlier, a resolution is either on your terms, or not at all.
At the end of the day, if you said to a small claims court:
"I offered him a full refund or a suitable repair within 2 weeks, but he refused becuase I couldn't do it in 48 hours"...
... they will take the view that you have made every effort, and I will imagine the outcome being in your favour ;)
With all respect, it's an old Omega for a grand or two - not a 20k Rangie or simelar...
All in perspective Josh.. don't lose sleep - give me a ring, as per the PM :y
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if he is reading our lines , must get the lesson ;D
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if he is reading our lines , must get the lesson ;D
Not impossible, of course. ::)
Will look out for newbies. :y
Kevin
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1/2 a plan ... Josh picks up bar from TB while I drive to oxford, pick up Josh & bar .. down to Farnborough .. I tow it back with Josh driving ???
EDIT .. or use my pikey bar with Tunnies idea ???
Entwood, you're such a top bloke :y
But I'd feel bad you going out of your way by so much, unlitmately it's my problem and don't want to cause you any trouble.
Towing with bar is not too bad, as its a manual should be fine. But, its good 60 miles :-/
Most simple route is M3/M25/M40, trailer could be best way, officially you are over weight though, depends if plod would be nit picky :-/
I am not around till Sunday, but if you need extra pair of hands i can be about :y
If your going motorway trailer is a must. You can tow a car off the motorway with a rope or bar but you can't tow onto a motorway IIRC.
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If your going motorway trailer is a must. You can tow a car off the motorway with a rope or bar but you can't tow onto a motorway IIRC.
My interpretation was that you can tow a car on a rope to the next junction, but you're OK to tow on/onto a motorway with a rigid bar. A frames are another grey area. ;)
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I am a bit tight for parking space at the moment as the garage is filling up with bits of Westfield and kitchen appliances I'm shortly going to be nagged to fit.
However, if you need to get it out of Farnborough to a place where a further plan can be formulated for repair or onward recovery I'll see what I can do.
Kevin
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I am a bit tight for parking space at the moment as the garage is filling up with bits of Westfield and kitchen appliances I'm shortly going to be nagged to fit.
However, if you need to get it out of Farnborough to a place where a further plan can be formulated for repair or onward recovery I'll see what I can do.
Kevin
At least you haven't got a prefacelift cluttering garage any more ;D
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Quick update;
Phoned the guy this morning, he's being very reasonable and was actually great. He's having it looked at, he said if it's something simple he'll get it done and that's that. So really I've just got to wait and see what whoever looks at it thinks. Kevin, I'm not sure if you're still available Wednesday to take a look? If the guy looking at it thinks it's terminal I'd certainly appreciate you having a quick look if you have the time. Someone like you who knows all there is to know about these engines I think would be great.
Entwood and TB - I think currently I'm not going to need a tow pole and for it to be towed. But the offers were great of you. I think it needs to be established what's wrong with it first, and he seems happy to wait now.
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He's had someone look at it, and they reckon it's the oil pump gone. So it looks like a replacement oil pump could be in order.
How much of a bad job is this, is it likely to be that?
I know it's difficult to tell without seeing the vehicle, but does this kind of tie in with the symptoms?
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As per PM, worth checking strainer also before condemning oil pump...
I've never done an oil pump, but by all accounts, it's a female dog of a job...
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Oil pump doesn't explain the smoke. If oil pressure has failed and the engine wasn't stopped immediately, it will be toast, I'm afraid. :-/
Oil pressure switch was recently touched, I can't help but think that will be part of the failure. Perhaps I just have no faith in the motor trade. ;D
Kevin
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Oil pressure switch was recently touched, I can't help but think that will be part of the failure.
Kevin
Was it!! I missed this bit...
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Oil pressure switch was recently touched, I can't help but think that will be part of the failure.
Kevin
Was it!! I missed this bit...
.....there was a minor oil seepage from the oil pressure sensor, took it to my local garage who I always use, it was sorted. But I never had any issues with it, it drove perfectly and the oil pressure light had never been on before....
Kevin
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Any ideas on how they "sorted" it?
I'm hoping, by fitting a new part/washer, and not just "mullering" the torque on the existing one, and knackering the thread? ::)
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Any ideas on how they "sorted" it?
I'm hoping, by fitting a new part/washer, and not just "mullering" the torque on the existing one, and knackering the thread? ::)
Those are the lines along which I was thinking. Oil pressure warning and smoke implies the oil is p*ssing out somewhere IMO.
Kevin
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Yes, and given the pressure it would be under, if it were a small gap - the likelyhood is that it's spraying on the exhaust manifolds, of perhaps working rearwards to the cats...
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Josh, can you ask the garage what they did?
This is quite important in trying to work out what's going on :y
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Isn't it a copper washer behind those? Even if it's split from silly overtightening instead of replacement and has been seeping oil since it was tightened then it still could be too late for the engine I fear :(
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The guy has now decided the he wants to return the car, and for a full refund...which is fair enough. But now leaves me with a dead Omega and out of pocket, but that's how it goes sometimes.
He knows someone who has a recovery truck who can return it to me for £150, I think that may be the best way. Don't want to spend that much, but it saves towing it and any legal issues with motorways.
So once it's back here, I can take getting it repaired at a more leisurely pace.
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The comment about tappety noises do not inspire confidence :'(
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If it was only a slight loss of pressure - EG enough to starve the lifters and make the lifters sound like a bag of spanners, but still enough to keep the bottom end just about lubricated, it MAY be ok.
Silly question - what is the oil level on the dipstick????
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The comment about tappety noises do not inspire confidence :'(
Hence my 'too late I fear' comment :(
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Get it home, Josh - worst case scenario if the engine is knackered - we'll turn it into a 3.2 ;) - and it already has a manual box fitted 8-)
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The guy has now decided the he wants to return the car, and for a full refund...which is fair enough. But now leaves me with a dead Omega and out of pocket, but that's how it goes sometimes.
He knows someone who has a recovery truck who can return it to me for £150, I think that may be the best way. Don't want to spend that much, but it saves towing it and any legal issues with motorways.
So once it's back here, I can take getting it repaired at a more leisurely pace.
Want me to put the tow pole in the boot, drop it off to you later.
Hey, another deja vu moment ;D
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James - I'll ask what they did with oil pressure sensor, oil level when it left was fine. It had been changed and was topped up to correct level with new filter. No idea of it's condition now.
Thanks TB, but I think I'll just have to suck up the £150 charge and get it brought back on a truck. It's going to be stupid to tow it on the motorway, let alone illegal, and I couldn't let anyone else take that risk.
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When do you think it'll be home Josh? Just trying to juggle times I could come for an initial peek...
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The comment about tappety noises do not inspire confidence :'(
Hence my 'too late I fear' comment :(
You will get tappety noises with the slightest disruption to oil supply, even if the engine just takes a gulp of air due to low oil level, as the lifters will collapse and it can take a while for them to recover afterwards.
Bearings will need a more sustained lack of oil pressure to get mullered during normal driving, but if the engine is under load at the time, it doesn't have to fail for very long at all. Oil light suggests it did, but it could have been a failure of the oil pressure switch (touch wood).
Kevin
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It might be home on Sunday, possibly or Monday at the lastest I guess. But won't be here tomorrow. I need to confirm with the guy. But James, please feel no pressure to have a look. I know you're busy...it's no problem :y
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James - I'll ask what they did with oil pressure sensor, oil level when it left was fine. It had been changed and was topped up to correct level with new filter. No idea of it's condition now.
Thanks TB, but I think I'll just have to suck up the £150 charge and get it brought back on a truck. It's going to be stupid to tow it on the motorway, let alone illegal, and I couldn't let anyone else take that risk.
You don't have to take it back so, make him pay for the recovery back to you.
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James - I'll ask what they did with oil pressure sensor, oil level when it left was fine. It had been changed and was topped up to correct level with new filter. No idea of it's condition now.
Thanks TB, but I think I'll just have to suck up the £150 charge and get it brought back on a truck. It's going to be stupid to tow it on the motorway, let alone illegal, and I couldn't let anyone else take that risk.
You don't have to take it back so, make him pay for the recovery back to you.
thats what i would do also, the least he could do is return it to where he got it >:(saying your are giving him a full refund i would of thought thats not to much to ask of him.
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James - I'll ask what they did with oil pressure sensor, oil level when it left was fine. It had been changed and was topped up to correct level with new filter. No idea of it's condition now.
Thanks TB, but I think I'll just have to suck up the £150 charge and get it brought back on a truck. It's going to be stupid to tow it on the motorway, let alone illegal, and I couldn't let anyone else take that risk.
You don't have to take it back so, make him pay for the recovery back to you.
thats what i would do also, the least he could do is return it to where he got it >:(saying your are giving him a full refund i would of thought thats not to much to ask of him.
Exactly. If he doesn't pay for recovery to you Josh, seriously just say to him sort the car yourself, he'll either do two things, pay for recovery, or start whining like a baby in which case you tell him to bugger off. Your too good natured mate :y :y
By the way, I'd offer a refund if he had been reasonable and had said he'll pay for recovery but, the way he's been towards you, I would've said to him get lost and sort it yourself, it was sold as seen.
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Josh, if you can get the car back to yours, I will endeavour to fix it for you.
I understand you will be doing me a huge favour when the right estate comes along ::) - so it will be FOC from a labour perspective ;)
James, you're such a good mate. I've been on the lookout for an estate, Paul may have one coming along shortly, but may have found two. One suitable for each.
I do love Omega's, but they can be troubelsome...I may give them a miss for a bit after this. I always think that, then buy one anway :D
Oh no.... That means I'm going to have to make a decision ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Bugga, just catching up with this thread for the 1st time.
Dont agree to pay the £150 recovery Josh, also going back to the begining about refunds as a dealer that james mentioned, maybe worth a chat with a solicitor for a full understanding os where you stand.
Car warranty insurace, Normally sold as Gold, silver and bronze cover (was a common thing years ago - dunno if any one does it these days) Gold cover all forms mechanical breakdown, silver cover engine, gearbox and running gear etc, bronze is maybe just for the engine. Buyer then buys cover in the event of breakdown. may have paid dividends in this case.
As the buyer got AA Relay to get the car back to you.
PM me if you want added info on the breakdown policies. :y
hope all works out with this car.
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2 PM's sent Josh. :y
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josh if theres any thing i can do let me know :y
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First of all I'd like to thank everyone for thier offers of help, and all the kind PM's.
I've now got the car back here, gave him a full refund, paid the £150 to get it brough back here. He put 6 months tax on it, so I refunded him the month he'd lose when he sent it back to the DVLA.
So I'm out of pocket and got a dead Omega, but ulitmately that's how it goes sometimes. It was the right thing for me to do, there are far too many traders out there who won't do the same. But I thought to myself, I probably wouldn't be happy either. I'd rather be responsible and happy with my decisions than have that extra bit of money.
The car; Well, good strong battery on it, turned the key to see what happens and nothing, it doesn't click, or try to turn but does make some attempt or a sound similiar to cranking. I fear the engine is dead.
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Too soft you are young man.
Let James get his fingers on it soon, and it will not be dead for long. Powers of God that boy has with a V6 engine.
But I really admire you Josh, I really do, straight as an arrow.In Fact, I will go as far as to say TO FEKKING STRAIGHT for your own good, but done with all the best intentions.
I am proud of you. :y :y :y :y
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Josh if I could get down to you I would. I think, for your own conciense, you did the right thing. I know you quite well I feel and I don't think you'd have slept well if you hadn't gone down this exact route. Shame there aren't more dealers of your calibre around these days :y
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Put it down to well-earned experience Josh, you did the right thing this time and good on you but you're a businessman and you can't keep doing this every time a car goes wrong. Maybe Mr Skruntie's advice about insurance would be worth thinking about :y
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Thanks Lee and jonnycool.
That's very kind of you to say Lee, much appreciated :y
I felt so bad, and didn't sleep much...but it's all sorted now. But I may end up now having to break it, you can get your facelift bumpers and stuff now Lee :D
I've got a PM to send you anyway :y
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Josh, you really are a 'rose amongst thorns' mate, but in the future, if I was you, I would be drafting a sales docket that had 'Sold As Seen' in bold print & signed by both parties. You are a top bloke mate, my hat is off to you :y
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hi josh, i dont know you but reading all the posts you sound a top notch guy,i wish when i bought mine recntly the guy was like you he is doing nothing and i only got 13 miles before mine went wrong and speaking as a buyer i would never expect a full refund but a help towards rectifying would have been appreciated but the guy i bought from is a waste of time, all the best mate! :y
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Thanks Lee and jonnycool.
That's very kind of you to say Lee, much appreciated :y
I felt so bad, and didn't sleep much...but it's all sorted now. But I may end up now having to break it, you can get your facelift bumpers and stuff now Lee :D
I've got a PM to send you anyway :y
I hope you don't have to break it but if you do there are a few bits I would like.
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Like I said before Josh, you're an absolute top notch bloke! If ever you need any help just shout and I'll be there :y
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Josh....
Before you break this car, can I come and have a look?
Even if I can't get it going, I'd like to try and identify what happened, for everyone's sake ;D
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James,
I'd love it if you could take a look, I'm secretly hoping in your magic box of tricks you've got a 20 minute fix for a dead engine :D
Are you sure you don't mind? I know you've got plenty more important things to do...but if you're 100% sure then it'd be great if you could take a look :y
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Is early in the week OK mate?
I'd love to know what caused it.
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Only just taken a look at this thread and just wanted to say that it would be great if there were more dealers like you Josh.
A few years ago I bought a V6 Ford Probe :-[ :-[ from a "dealer" and about 5 miles into my trip home the engine seized while doing 70 on the motorway. Foolishly I got theAA to take me home rather than back to the dealer. Sveral phone calls to the dealer and the OFT and I decided that it wasn't worth pursuing through small claims as I didn't think I would win (sold as seen and all that). Chances of this guy winning would have been smaller IMO had Josh told him to get lost.
For what its worth you have done the right thing Josh for the customer and for your own piece of mind. Well done that man :y
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Is early in the week OK mate?
I'd love to know what caused it.
Whenever you can fit it in is fine with me :y
Sorry fro the later PM reply today, been out most of the day. It would indeed be interesting to find out what happened. I was watching an old Top Gear today with three having to buy three 70's supercars for under £10k and Jeremy's engine exploding after having low oil pressure...made me feel not as bad. But at least I've now got a nice drive/garden ornament in the shape of an Omega ;D
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so whats the status its back now i take it?
Going from previous conversations, breaking it maybe your best option from a financial point of view :'( - Will minimise your loss :(
Worth letting James take a look, but oil pressure related failures are usually bad news :(
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Yep, it's back now and doesn't start or attempt to start really. I haven't tried as didn't want to cause any more damage to it. I think if James detirmines the engine is U/S, breaking it is the only course available. Would rather sell it complete, but I think breaking it may be the the best thing to do if the engine is dead. But I'll await the verdict from the expert, you never know a quick tap with a hammer and it'll be working again ::)
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Does it turn over?
What is the dipstick level?
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It doesn't turn over, it's as if it almost does but can't. Dipstick level is good, at normal level...just below max capacity.
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Also add, battery is good, all dash lights illuminate and go out, and no EML on when trying to start or at any other time.
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The fact that the oil level is OK points away from the pressure switch dumping the oil :( :(
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My thinking too LD, and reason for asking
Also concerned that it doesn't try and turn over - it's possibly seized if that's the case, which would mean the chap may have continued running it.
Josh - I'll still come for a look.
If you're in no rush, we could potentially source another engine for it, and pop it in over the summer? :y
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very odd, oil pump failure, its not been pushed up to top of the engine? :-/
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James, you are too nice...putting a new engine in it ;D
But unfortunately this vehicle just needs to be either sold, or disposed of asap. If it were mine to keep I'd get it fixed, but unfortunately it just needs to be gone.
I think I read RobesyMV6 (I think that's his name - apologies if I'm mistaken) has two 2.6 engine for sale, £250 each. But in reality I can't be doing with all that faff.
But as said, whenever you can look at it James that would be good, but as it's currently a non runner please don't feel in any rush. But, the blue 3.2 manual...did get me thinking, the lambda sensors are the same for the 2.6 and 3.2 manual, so I could swap them over and see if that cures the 3.2...so something positive may come out of it.
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Yes, we will definately have those lamdas :y
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More odd that, assuming (which we shouldn't do at this point ;)) that it is Oil Pump Failure, and it has run to the point of seizing, it didn't make a big hole in the block :-/
There are still other options but I think you need to be prepared for the bad news... :'( :'(
I sense a "Parts" advert soon :( ::)
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I feel a burning desire to put this MV6 back on the road :-X
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I feel a burning desire to put this MV6 back on the road :-X
Don't give me ideas :D
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I feel a burning desire to put this MV6 back on the road :-X
Can't see that you've got the time to fit in with Josh's timescale requirements though :( :(
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I feel a burning desire to put this MV6 back on the road :-X
Can't see that you've got the time to fit in with Josh's timescale requirements though :( :(
No, I haven't.
Wouldn't stop me potentially making an offer on the non-runner though (assuming it's confirmed as terminal) and fitting a power plant at my leisure?
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That's probably the biggest issue Paul, as with a Transit SWB, two mercs, three Omega's inc the MV6 I need the space. It'd be great to get the MV6 going. But it now owes me £1425ish, it was advertised at £1995 and got an ok price for it, but getting a new engine, paying for James time (even though his prices are stupidly low) I fear it wouldn't be worth it. By the time it was all fixed, I'd still break even on it, which of course is better than losing, but if I have to lose an amount on it just to get the space...that's unfortunately the price I'll have to pay.
That's reminded me, I still haven't paid for your work on the 3.2 manual James...we'll have to get that sorted :y
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I feel a burning desire to put this MV6 back on the road :-X
Can't see that you've got the time to fit in with Josh's timescale requirements though :( :(
No, I haven't.
Wouldn't stop me potentially making an offer on the non-runner though (assuming it's confirmed as terminal) and fitting a power plant at my leisure?
Of course James...you'd be more than welcome to make an offer on it, even if you can get it running I'd accept a non runner price for it, as I would never really trust the engine again...stupid I know but I'd hate for it to die on someone else...especially you. Start talking £1.50 and a kit kat and it's yours :D
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If we get it running, and can confirm the source of the problem has been fixed - then you keep it as a runner, mate :y
I don't think that's likely under the circs, but I will do my darned best for you to find out what happened...
Even if this one is dead - we will use the parts to sort out your 3.2 if nothing else ;)
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I feel a burning desire to put this MV6 back on the road :-X
Can't see that you've got the time to fit in with Josh's timescale requirements though :( :(
No, I haven't.
Wouldn't stop me potentially making an offer on the non-runner though (assuming it's confirmed as terminal) and fitting a power plant at my leisure?
Of course James...you'd be more than welcome to make an offer on it, even if you can get it running I'd accept a non runner price for it, as I would never really trust the engine again...stupid I know but I'd hate for it to die on someone else...especially you. Start talking £1.50 and a kit kat and it's yours :D
I'll raise that £1.50 and chuck in a Kit Kat Chunky :D :D
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Ooh Kit Kat chunky's are much better than normal one's...I think we may have a deal ;)
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I'm not putting in any offer, just in case the Curse Of TheBoy strikes again ;D
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Josh has this up for sale as a non-runner
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271192548
and I have, incorrectly, made a comment that doesn't really belong in the for sale section, and several folks are following on ... so my apologies, but I feel strongly on the matter.
If there is one good thing to come out of this sorry mess it is the reputation and good name of one Josh Wyatt ... if you have any doubts about buying from him .. his behaviour over this matter should immediately remove them.
I, for one, will happily point anyone after a car in his direction.
Nice one Josh .. a credit to yourself ... :y :y
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Josh, so sorry the engine was not salvageable, don't let this episode get you down, you're obviously a man of great principle and your all-important reputation will not be forgotten on this forum.
I think anyone on here would gladly recommend you, so keep your car list updated ;D :y :y :y
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Josh has this up for sale as a non-runner
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271192548
and I have, incorrectly, made a comment that doesn't really belong in the for sale section, and several folks are following on ... so my apologies, but I feel strongly on the matter.
If there is one good thing to come out of this sorry mess it is the reputation and good name of one Josh Wyatt ... if you have any doubts about buying from him .. his behaviour over this matter should immediately remove them.
I, for one, will happily point anyone after a car in his direction.
Nice one Josh .. a credit to yourself ... :y :y
That means a lot to me Nige, I did actually fear it would put people off buying a vehicle from me.
But I'd like to say, the support has been tremendous.
For example Nigel offered to tow the vehicle for me, many others offered to help any way they could. This forum, and most importantly the community spirit on here is amazing.
It was a shame I never met you Nige, but if you're ever down this way, please remember you are always more than welcome to stop by...you will always be welcome. And if you fancy coming to the Oxford meet, when a date and place is decided lunch will be on me. I appreciate the fact that you were willing to use your lovely 3.2 Elite to tow the MV6 and take that risk to help me out, someone you'd never met.