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Title: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: ianu on 25 April 2010, 21:20:26
Hi all,
This is slightly off mark I'm afraid - but hopefully I can draw on some of the vast experience on here. My other car is a Volvo XC90 (begins with a V doesn't it  ::) 0.
Probably know as one of those 'oh no!' moments.
Today as I attempted to remove one of the wheels - with the Locking Wheel Nut adapter in place and socket bar attached - as I turned it anti clockwise to undo it - the head of the nut with the keyway in it sheared off and came away leaving the stud still attached to the hub....
The stud has what looks like a small torx style head on it that might be possible to get some purchase on - but nothing I had in my toolbox (torx or socket) will get enough grip on it.
The collar piece that has sheared off has a radial crack in it which then failed completely by the look of it.
Does anyone have any experience of getting the rest of the stud out - is it a dealer job to get the right tool that can fit the stud head that is exposed - or should an experienced  indy garage be able to tackle this without wrecking the wheel and hub ?
Having already had all the other 3 wheels off - I very carefully went round and removed all the other locking nuts and replaced with standard studs - just in case a trend lining up to happen in 3's..

Any guidance - much appreciated.

Cheers
Ian.
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: tunnie on 25 April 2010, 21:26:02
might be worth buying some 'magic' sockets which will cut and dig into the stud
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: ianu on 25 April 2010, 21:30:01
Thanks Tunnie - any idea where I'd find them - or will a search on 'magic sockets' be all I need..
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: tidla on 25 April 2010, 21:31:06
http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?item=662&cat=520

this is what i use/as above :)
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Miggster on 25 April 2010, 23:36:03
Where in the uk are you
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Hannah Judes Dad on 26 April 2010, 19:43:33
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http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?item=662&cat=520

this is what i use/as above :)

You could also try these if a Screwfix branch is near you

http://www.screwfix.com/search.do;jsessionid=ZS0OMUICNOF30CSTHZOSFFA?_dyncharset=UTF-8&fh_search=wheel+nut

Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: ianu on 26 April 2010, 22:18:41
Thanks all (I'm in Bicester near Oxford - work near Reading though)
Had a closer look at this this evening and the tip of the stud left in the wheel is actually the centre of the bit that fits into the 'socket key'. ie if you think of the socket as an odd shape pastry cutter that fits into a same shape keyway on an otherwise smooth face of the stud - the bit I've got left is the bit that fits inside the 'pastry cutter' - it's no more than 5mm across and 1mm deep and it's rounded off most of its corners.
I don't think any of the socket solutions will touch it.
Although the 'socket' (cutter) will grip whats left - there is no way I can keep it from lifting off when I try and turn it.

I think it's going to be a challenge with some drill bits to try and weeken whats left enough to shear the top off - a friend has offered the use of some bolt extractors which will still require drilling it.
Some creative use of Araldite has got me thinking though.....
I'll keep you posted - currently it's booked into the garage next week for them to have a go - but I'll keep trying too.

Cheers
Ian
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Andy B on 26 April 2010, 22:22:52
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- a friend has offered the use of some bolt extractors which will still require drilling it.  .....

Careful with easy outs/ez outs It's difficult getting them out if they break in use, they're hard.
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: ianu on 26 April 2010, 22:25:17
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- a friend has offered the use of some bolt extractors which will still require drilling it.  .....

Careful with easy outs/ez outs It's difficult getting them out if they break in use, they're hard.
Thanks Andy - I know - been there too - a long while ago mind...
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Hannah Judes Dad on 26 April 2010, 22:26:39
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- a friend has offered the use of some bolt extractors which will still require drilling it.  .....

Careful with easy outs/ez outs It's difficult getting them out if they break in use, they're hard.[/quote]

Do they have flick knives? or are they from Liverpool?  ;D
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: ianu on 26 April 2010, 22:29:33
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Careful with easy outs/ez outs It's difficult getting them out if they break in use, they're hard.[/quote]

Do they have flick knives? or are they from Liverpool?  ;D
;D ;D ;D excellent I needed a laugh - cheers  ;)
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Andy B on 26 April 2010, 22:30:09
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Do they have flick knives? or are they from Liverpool?  ;D


that'd be .... well 'ard!   ::) :y  :y
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Hannah Judes Dad on 26 April 2010, 22:42:37
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Do they have flick knives? or are they from Liverpool?  ;D


that'd be .... well 'ard!   ::) :y  :y

I thought that was the dog on Deadenders  :D
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Andy B on 26 April 2010, 22:54:15
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Do they have flick knives? or are they from Liverpool?  ;D


that'd be .... well 'ard!   ::) :y  :y

I thought that was the dog on Deadenders  :D

I wouldn't know .......  :-?  :y
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Hannah Judes Dad on 26 April 2010, 22:56:45
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Do they have flick knives? or are they from Liverpool?  ;D


that'd be .... well 'ard!   ::) :y  :y

I thought that was the dog on Deadenders  :D

I wouldn't know .......  :-?  :y

I gave up watching it about 15 years ago so I don't have much of a clue either  :y
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 April 2010, 09:33:12
Any prospect of welding a nut onto the remains?

kevin
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Lazydocker on 27 April 2010, 09:40:42
Is there space to use "Sammy" to hammer a slightly smaller impact socket onto the remains and turn it with a breaker bar?

Worked on SWMBO's old Rover ones :y
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 April 2010, 09:44:59
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Is there space to use "Sammy" to hammer a slightly smaller impact socket onto the remains and turn it with a breaker bar?

Worked on SWMBO's old Rover ones :y

Yep, that's worked for me before. Used a different type of socket though. A cheap socket!

Kevin
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: ianu on 27 April 2010, 19:58:05
There ain't a lot to get a hold of much with anything - I reckon it'll be a welding job of some sort - maybe using the original socket as I won't be using it again for anything else now..

Thanks for all the advice - fantastic.

Cheers
Ian
Title: Re: Broken Locking Wheel nut
Post by: Lazydocker on 27 April 2010, 20:10:50
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Is there space to use "Sammy" to hammer a slightly smaller impact socket onto the remains and turn it with a breaker bar?

Worked on SWMBO's old Rover ones :y

Yep, that's worked for me before. Used a different type of socket though. A cheap socket!

Kevin

I used a Snap On one... Lifetime guarantee ;) ;)