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Title: smokey TD at night
Post by: SR-71 Blackbird on 30 July 2010, 09:39:01
hey guys when i floor it at night i can see a huge cloud of smoke being produced in the lights of other cars, i dont think its noticeable in the day as i cant see anything but it must be there, i have tried a fuel injector cleaner but it hasent done anything so ive heard that adding a strong mix of acetone to the fuel will help clean the injectors and then adding a small amount in every tank will help keep the injecotrs clean, does anyone do this and if so what are their experiences of it, thanks
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: Pitchfork on 30 July 2010, 09:55:24
They all smoke it's just that at night you can see it
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: SR-71 Blackbird on 30 July 2010, 10:19:20
ok but this is a huge cloud, especially when moving away hard from the lights, then its like a smoke screen from the james bond movies
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: Rob-Mitton on 30 July 2010, 10:23:19
Had a P38a Range Rover that did exactly the same. (Same engine I believe?) Was just a trait of that engine. Had it all checked out and she was fine. Shouldn't worry about it matey.

Rob
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: henryd on 30 July 2010, 10:55:10
I run a xantia hdi as a work car and by day no smoke is visible but at night it looks like it smokes like hell but most diesels seem to do the same
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: TheBoy on 30 July 2010, 11:09:01
Try a tank of better quality fuel (not the supermarket junk), see if that improves it after a few miles
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: SR-71 Blackbird on 30 July 2010, 11:52:48
ok thanks for that guys, now i know my car is normal, however i dont want it to smoke at night so lets steer the conversation towards the acetone, would it clean the injectors and help keep them clean, improve the burn etc and reduce the smoke
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: SR-71 Blackbird on 30 July 2010, 11:54:09
Thanks TheBoy, who would you recommend, to test id run the tank very low then use the better fuel to see if it is better, and i can do it at night to see if its better before and after
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: TheBoy on 30 July 2010, 13:29:44
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Thanks TheBoy, who would you recommend, to test id run the tank very low then use the better fuel to see if it is better, and i can do it at night to see if its better before and after
Any 'premium' brand, eg BP, Shell.

I found mine used to smoke heavily on Asda/Tesco, far less so on BP.

For MOT smoke test, I always filled with BP (as thats our local station) before ;)
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: Omegatoy on 30 July 2010, 14:30:50
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ok thanks for that guys, now i know my car is normal, however i dont want it to smoke at night so lets steer the conversation towards the acetone, would it clean the injectors and help keep them clean, improve the burn etc and reduce the smoke

lol a good dose of acetone????? no way!! acetone in diesel should only be about 0.80cc per litre and thats high dose,
what acetone basically does is allow a better burn of the existing fuel, it does it by changing the surface tension of the fuel, i,e, you always get some heavier droplets sink to the floor of the nlet manifold and also in the combustion chamber, these generally get down past the rings, and contaminate the oil but some are sent out unburnt through the exhaust system,
this is how you see it at night but not during the day, as its a very fine mist mixed with diesel smoke, acetone actually changes the surface tension of the fuel allowing more to be burnt in the combustion process thus better effeciency and less smoke, have a link giving the ful story if you want it
Omegatoy
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 30 July 2010, 15:05:03
Surely its not in the inlet manifold......
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: pembsomega on 30 July 2010, 17:41:49
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Try a tank of better quality fuel (not the supermarket junk), see if that improves it after a few miles


i see because super markets make their own petrol? i know my local tesco is serviced be the local murco refinery where as the local morrisons is filled by shell..............
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: MickAP on 30 July 2010, 17:53:54
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ok but this is a huge cloud, especially when moving away hard from the lights, then its like a smoke screen from the james bond movies

Mine did this, is yours chipped, and do you use Sainsburys city diesel?
Mine still smokes only on hard acceleration. Better now I've replaced the standard chip. And don't use Sainburys diesel, seemed to smoke more with that in the tank.

Mick
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: Omegatoy on 30 July 2010, 21:38:11
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Surely its not in the inlet manifold......


lol well spotted glad you were paying attention!!! yes i was mixing up me engines there, obviously not on the diesel oops, :-[
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: hoofing it on 30 July 2010, 21:47:39
nothing to worry about. :y
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: SR-71 Blackbird on 01 August 2010, 11:56:20
does anybody have any experience with this then, adding acetone to the diesel, does it actually clean the injectors and does it reduce smoke on regualr basis?

thanks
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: hoofing it on 01 August 2010, 11:58:21
The best way to clean injectors is to strip them and clean them.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1264711544
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: Omegatoy on 01 August 2010, 12:36:24
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does anybody have any experience with this then, adding acetone to the diesel, does it actually clean the injectors and does it reduce smoke on regualr basis?

thanks

you obviously havent read my first post then? no it wont clean injectors, what it will do is give slightly better mileage
have a read here, usual disclaimers apply
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: Seth on 01 August 2010, 22:39:00
Most pre common-rail diesels show this trait during night-time driving, especially when accelerating.
Seems like a hazy emission, especially when viewed through the mirrors with another car following.

Don't worry about it! :y
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: SR-71 Blackbird on 02 August 2010, 00:13:43
omegatoy i did read your post but i think taking the injectors out and then cleaning them and putting them back together in the wrong way is just an accident waiting to happen, yes i am looking for the easy way out but then again im not a mechanic :P
Title: Re: smokey TD at night
Post by: Omegatoy on 02 August 2010, 06:48:52
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omegatoy i did read your post but i think taking the injectors out and then cleaning them and putting them back together in the wrong way is just an accident waiting to happen, yes i am looking for the easy way out but then again im not a mechanic :P

lol can understand that, it is a but scarey if you have never removed them before, maybe the acetone will clear them a little but nothing beats doing it the mechanical way, try it the acetone that is!!
good luck :y