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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: dragonlord on 04 October 2010, 17:46:17
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Help when out ast night car was fine
this moring was very low on petrol compter reading 40 odd miles left on tank
I pulled in ushal texicogarage near me and put 20quis worth in
had to go bout 2 miles o somewhere do about a mle and can feel a vibration in car an trow seat.
gets worse my elite is down on power sound like missing ad running like a tracktor.
i start gettinmg paronoid that i may have put in disel by mistake
not shaw just sort of parnoid as been stresst this week for family resons.
so call a m8 and we drain tank dry from boot.
can make our mind if disel in it or not dont look it and burns like petrol not disel
both of us cant smellwell hes had 4 ops on nose due to sinus and iv got bad sinus as well
chuck in 26 quids worth of fresh unleaded and some injector cleaner
It seem a fair bit better back on power more so i take for about a 15-20mile run but it still not right not pulling like a 3L elite at all but seem lik its missing just ruff and down on power
call a mobile machanic out he has a look at what we raied out and dont tink theres no disel in it at all
i re check petrol and its nealy empty again no way would have done that jucie on the run i did
so i re check boot just in case leaking from there but thats dry and is every where else
get home couple of mile m8 follows but t running ruff as hell
any idears im starting to lose the lot
having case flow probs at moment and need car bad
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Unplug the maf sensor and see how it runs without it.
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I suspect that you have pulled some dirt through and have a part blocked fuel filter.
Easy fix is to change it.
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thanks guys
i think i change fule fillter and was going to do new plugs
maf sensor
where is tha that on elite and ill try un pluging it first
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On the big air hose coming from the air filter.
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thanks ill go try that now
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Any fault codes stored?
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trye unpluging maf
difference seemed debatable seemed to rev free`er hi up
but low down ruff s hell still
re store faults magment ligth not on cant do paper clip test a moment as pitch black where i am neally
m8 rcons he knows somewone with a tech2 that will stick it on for a beer or two tomorow
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trye unpluging maf
difference seemed debatable seemed to rev free`er hi up
but low down ruff s hell still
re store faults magment ligth not on cant do paper clip test a moment as pitch black where i am neally
m8 rcons he knows somewone with a tech2 that will stick it on for a beer or two tomorow
Post codes when you get them :y
Might want to look here ;)
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_730001_categoryId_165488_langId_-1?cm_vc=IOV4PLPZ1
;D
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im getting worryed this coudent have happed at a worse time
as im eally short of cash as i look after a disable partner and it screw around time again from DLA
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trye unpluging maf
difference seemed debatable seemed to rev free`er hi up
but low down ruff s hell still
re store faults magment ligth not on cant do paper clip test a moment as pitch black where i am neally
m8 rcons he knows somewone with a tech2 that will stick it on for a beer or two tomorow
Post codes when you get them :y
Might want to look here ;)
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_730001_categoryId_165488_langId_-1?cm_vc=IOV4PLPZ1
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lol yea im loseing it theres a 6cell maglite in car its not my day the boot relise handels just om off in bloody hand
Iv been maessing around since 9am this morning
backs killing me
think i best have a rest and leav it to daylight
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Take it easy Dragonlord, tomorrow's another day.
Hope it turns out a bit better for you. :y
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thank m8
it reall was panic times as s well as other problems Iv got a spnal deformity and back has been royaly fooked ever since some guy rear ended me early in year
and im like 3 miles from bus stop lol
and whtt with eery thing else and mashed up on heavy painkillers half the time was relly thinking i fooked up with puting the disel in
I now know 110% it want me filling it ith disel
just got someone to drive me up garage
I knew which pump i stoped at and was 100% that nosle i used was one where the rubber grip had worn off
remember dam thing as frezzing hand and swap hands lol
when and had a look and there are only two guns on the pump i stoped at one is unleaded one is disel
but it the unleaded one thats missing the handel rubber grip
thank god for that lol i want the mupet that fooked up
so eather duff petrol or just a coisidence, that it went just after filling up
drainded and refilled so duff petrol looks unlikely
just looked at service invteals and its due a fule flitter plugs and air fillte just about now
so ill start there and see what happens
and see if i can get it on a tech two on the cheap
think break out that 69%vol rum and chill out some tonight
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think break out that 69%vol rum and chill out some tonight
Sounds good to me... along with those painkillers in your system I'll bet your going to have a right old evening! I can't wait to see how you type when your pi55hed...
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As for the car, you mention that the e.m.l. light is not on? Does it come on for a moment when the ignition is first switched on? If so then I wouldn't bother with the paper clip or 'cheap tech II'.
First thing I'd check for is a strong spark.
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re ligt dident think only nrmal light that flash up the g off nothing out of ordanry
I are not mix pain killers with that rum ill proberly stop breathing
there not a good mix
strong opiaits and alnchol dont mix can cause breathing deprestion
it eather one or the other
im issed off bt not suicidel yet
yea i wouldent like to see my typeing the
dislexsic is bad enought
druged,pissed anddislexsic not good lol
it eather one or the other
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Wouldn't the EML have come on when the MAF was unplugged? :-?
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So, just to confirm, no diesel?
If no diesel, sounds like misfire issue to me?
IMO do the paper clip test, (not all codes bring the light on.) and go from there, if no relevant fault codes I would strongly suspect ignition system which is not very well monitored by ecu on this engine. Check plug wells for oil first, then change plugs then leads then dis PAC until the fault is found.
Not blocked fuel filter as it's using too much fuel, which also points to miss fire, no spark but fuel still being delivered, engine does not go so pedal pressed harder, fuel wash in the boar may cause damage, so do not drive the car.
Should have done paperclip test to read codes first of all, then mess with maff plug, now we don't know if maf code is current or not....
Anyway, start with paper clip test, fix problem first. Serviceing parts only introduces more unknowns.
Hth
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Should have done paperclip test to read codes first of all, then mess with maff plug, now we don't know if maf code is current or not....
Yup, should have thought about that before diving in. :-[
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shit yea i didet think eatherunpluging maf did put eml on
yep defenatly not had disel in it
it is going when you hit load pedal but lumpy an down on power and a bit flat just as engine start to load
then will kick in t higher up on revs but just dont seem right
but was like 80% beter after we drained it an put in new fuel in
thats why i was so hung up on fuel yesterday
re oil in wells just after id had it the drive side cam cover gasket poped
took out the bloody alatenator as well but it had only just had both banks done at vx dealer before i got got recites
when i took it off what had happend was vx had not put selant in right place and there want none on half cresent at all looked like traine had done it and run out of selant and tryed to squeze lats bit out tube
so i cleaned breather right and redone that side my self
and took a chance on pasanger side and left that
must have been right as its done about 30 thousand since then
ill try paper clip when the sun comes up and some vx plugs
wisht id done the trad club thing now kept Imeaning to
any one know price of leads and dis pac ?
im down to me last few hundred quid if they screw up our money ill be writeing rubber cheqes
see im a full time carea for wife she had a bad mental breakdown about 10 years back ad has nevre fully recoved
and is bi polar when you have dla often it has to be renewed every few years
some time theres no problem other times they refuse for no reson and you have appeal it it cary last time we was left witout money for 6mouths
they whent nutts with em at the tribunaral
and it was sorted
bad but takes time
we wopnt find out till the 26th wether it silly game time or no problem
but when they stop that every thing stops the careing money rent every dam thing and and have to sign on for 80 quid a week to its sorted out
its nuts because it only a few weeks since i had to have mental healh criss team to house 4 times a day
when there really bad they send them but there as much use a choclet tea pot in our area
all this crap about pepole geting for nothing in news is rubish its hard enoutgh getting it when there really are ill and need it
and how much you get you only get same a normal copuple on dole would get and the cheep buggers pay me an extra 50 quid a week for being a carer 24/7
cheap dam deal for em
then you get dla for care needs or mobility
we get low rate mobility about 12 quid a week but no car have buy our own
but high rate care because she need 24/7 care
iv got a m8 that had a tumor on spine and had 3inches of his spine removed and is paralised from just below arms
they tryed to argue he dident need mobility an a car
they turned up at his place one time to investigate him for claiming and working
i kiddy you not the poor thingy is dead from say where you nipples are down toes nothing works below there
if his spine was damage just a touch highter he have been on vetolator perminatly
wat youread in hews is 'dangle berries' you have 12 doctors say they need it and there still say no
you dont just fill in form and get
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right i been out an paper cliped it
got 12 71 31 12
its a elite v6 3l so im right in thing 31 normalwhen not running
71 Intake Air Temperature Voltage High
im asumng at from when i unpluged maf is that right ?
re unpluging math on big pipe cominout air box there two pluigs top and one lower down
it was top one i disconected closest to airbox i take thats
the maf senor ?
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Ok, only maf code to worry about, and as you say there was no change when maf unplugged its not a maf issue. If the problem improved when maf unplugged then i would say maf is at fault. So as said previously, i think this is an ignition system problem.
Start with new plugs from vx, they are chrapest.
If no improvement, change the leads as they are next most expensive, vx are very dear, try euro car parts for leads.
if no better change dis pac, trade club may help with thus but usually ebay genuine is best i guess....? soemeone advise on that....?
hth
ps, obviously make sure cam cover seals and breathers are ok first.
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Pps, does 31 go when engine running?
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just had a look in dark see if i could see an archig on under bonet
nothing i could see
seems more lumpy now and sort of missing between about 2000 and 4000 revs it sem to idel prity well but not perfect above about 4000 rev its a lot better
iv sent or a set of leads from euro ar parts
and a fule and air fillter as its time for em and while i got spanners out
and will pick some plugs tomorow
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My hart is braking for you. wot is world coming to when a person living on benifits cannot afford to have his 3 litre car repared! Have you written to yore mP? i wud gladley pay mor tax so yo can tek it voxhall deeler
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it not really like that i cant work thats he point as i work ful time looking after wife
she serverly mentaly ill now cant get out the house with a car
id gladly swap beniffits and go back to work if could get wife better
it was best for me as thre cheap to buy and i do a lot my self i had the auto omega beacuse cluch was real bad for knee and i cant fit in small ones
whre my hipos are at 45degres i twist it when walking and it wearing out
iv got a twisted spine ie scolliosis some days ok other days i cant walk very far at all some days and i dont claim for my self
cant becaus its intermitait
Im 6.3 and being bent up in small car is criperling for me
last time i done the brakes on car i was layd up on morphine for a week and could only sleep hours at a time as i felt like some driving a six inch nail row my spine
i going to go fix or try to the car may get away with or set off my back again over next few days
finger crossed
no way of knowing
inshrance aint an isue at my age iv keep em running with scrap yard and cheapest way i can
its not that can afford it we go with other thing so we can get about
cant take her on bus if shes trying to lump pasanger and ting there in on it
she suffer server anxity attacks as well
i dont mean she just get scare
extream anxity atacck cause her to fall jerk like an eperletic fit
last bad one she was in hospital at time
ended up in resuss and was catatonic for 45min after attack
what i meant about beniffits was that bacuase all of the crap
for those that rally do quilify for it and need em often have problems
and when it comes up or renewal some times they mess it up
but what happens then is your in a righ mess as whenthe disablity stops every thing stop you go to 0 income
you cant even go and sign on as you got someone that serverly disabled ad cant be left alone
so get a bout 60 quid a week for two pepole to live on at redused rate t its sorted out
in my case with wife im up half night calming her dowm she sleep walking 4 or 5 nights a week
runnign out house thinks pepole are folloing up neally set fire to hourse 3 times
wont cook or feed her self need to get backwards and forwards to hospital
were 3 mile from nearest bus stop
we had move here because she was trying to trow her self out of window and old place was two small
it would be dam easyer life if we dident have this and i was back at work
i have to do every thing full time carea 24/7
its like work 24/7
some i know they have pay for a full time care to live in for him
as due acident only thing that works is head neck and half streath in one arm
were not talking about someone blaging the sick with a sore back
when you got someone that disabled it cost more because of care needs
when she really bad socile scervices have to provide a sitter so i can get out to shop even
idont have to sign on legaly beacause im not avalible for work as a full time carea m classes as workng
for that you 50 quid on top of normal dole money
thats it
then you claim Disability living alowence
and thatsmade up of 2 parts
for mobilty needs and care need
we only get lo rate mobity that 12 quid a week as she can not got out with smeone with her but can walk
if some has high rate thats 160 a mouth o in hair cant walk more 20 yards or so you can swap tht for a car and not have money
the care part there hi mid and low rate
we get hight beacause she need 24/7 care oftten being
so on average all we get extra is about 100 quid a week extra than some that signing on out of work and looking for a job
and im saving thegoer ment a foutune as if i want careing 24/7 it cost em a dam site more than thatef
its not a simple as it sounds on news
its sound good when you see it news and your working thinking pepole like us got i easy
we havent
trust me it not a life you chose m8
that litel bit of extra money allows us a car and a bit of life
i aint had a holiday for 15 years
whenm you aply for dla not ony do the pull all your medical records they send there own doctors to examin them
every few year if a condition that can change you have to apply again
some times i gos smooth some times ot
time before last was ok last time we had 0 income for 6 mouths
neally lost our home and it mad her 10 times worse
she was so ill by the tim we cam to appeal tribunaral
they when mad with the dla pepole
thi year she got worse was suisidal and locked her self in freind kitching hold a 9 inch knife to her stomack when mediction dident work any more
and when tere like that need doctors ad nurses coming to house 4 time a day and night
all started when we were out shop and she was fine had a break down in midel of he carpark about
doctors say she never recover 100% we got her stablised now at moment on new meds
some day im luck ad have the woman i knew ack more like her self for a few days but it dont last
you want swap lifes ?
remember when you next see some in a wheel chair
it ait just they cant walk
if there compleat on being paraised below waste
they proberly just spent 3 hours that morning ass fisting there self with rubber gloves because that the only way thay can empty there bowls
bet you dident know that most pepole dont
pepole just think it means no legs and being in chair with money and a free car
iv just had to stop typing this and wife woke up confusd think some chucing stones at window
had put back in bed and calm her down
luck a cort her when she fell in hall as night time mediation ake very unstable on her feet
i have to watch to about 4am then she norml sleep right
get a cupe of hours sllep then try doing acr and hope my back dont pop
bet you dident know that most pepole dont
you still want to swap places ?
her you another break she was just off again thing someones in bedroom burst in to tears this time
my back and necks killing me best i donttake painkiller for my self and put with pain as i need to stay awake
so its a coffe instead
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Sorry Mate, I meant no offence. you are obviously having a hard time . I was pissed and it was a thoughtless comment :-[
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Check your intake temp sensor (2 pin connector just below the MAF), is it plugged in?
Make sure its not been muddled up with the multiram connector, the multiram one is the very end connector on that section of loom.
I must say that I am not convinced that you disconnected the MAF or there would be a MAF fault code (note, 2.5 and 3.0 MAFs are VERY reliable)
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Sorry Mate, I meant no offence. you are obviously having a hard time . I was pissed and it was a thoughtless comment :-[
thanks m8 iv been know to type pissed as well
take a decent guy to admit it
it cool and thanks
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Check your intake temp sensor (2 pin connector just below the MAF), is it plugged in?
Make sure its not been muddled up with the multiram connector, the multiram one is the very end connector on that section of loom.
I must say that I am not convinced that you disconnected the MAF or there would be a MAF fault code (note, 2.5 and 3.0 MAFs are VERY reliable)
mark thanks think iv found problem
iv just pulled off pendelum and puld the ht plugs
drivers bank in full of oil n holes looks like cooked leads
th side is ful neally to he top of holes
would have thort that would be likey cause of spluttering cant see it being anything else
when the leads get cook is there any posablity of them frying dis pac are it normly just leads
there a touch of oil on passanger side but that may be from before when i did pasanger side bank and dident proberly dident get all the oil out of holes
dont think it leaking drivers side
but ill do both banks to be safe
going to have to wait a bt as im working out side and it pissing down now or ill hav a couple of gallons of warter in the inlet manfold
how the hell do you get at the dis pac to change leads i cant even it see with penerlum off
it a 1999 elite 3L
do you have to jack it and go from underneath to get at dis pac ?
or anyou get at from op by taking off platic underwiper?
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swap side lol in need some sleep lol
read above as passanger side full of oil
driver side a few drops
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Yes you have to take the scuttle off and approach the dis pack from above, it's slightly offset to the passenger side. Once the scuttle is off you should be able to see the plug leads, make note of which goes where then pull them all off and you will just be able to see it.
There are 4 bolts, feel around until you are happy of the locations then go in with a 1/4 drive socket on an extension. Once the bolts are out and connector off it's a bit of a squeeze getting the pack out but it will come through the gap.
On mine you could see the rust starting to push the 2 halves apart.
There is a how to in the maintenance guide.
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how the hell do you get at the dis pac to change leads i cant even it see with penerlum off
it a 1999 elite 3L
do you have to jack it and go from underneath to get at dis pac ?
or anyou get at from op by taking off platic underwiper?
Dis pack is VERY awkward to get to, attack it from above once the plastic under the wipers (scuttle trim) is removed.
Replacing the leads should sort out the miss-fire, if it doesn't then it's new dis-pack time, presuming plugs are in good condition...
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right thankls guys plugs are going in bin anyway there due a change il grab some hen get cam gaskets
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well finally donedone both cam banks passager was flooded with oil and repased cooked HT leads.
put it all back togeather still missfireing all over the place
so pulled dis pack and they was fooked fell apart n me had after i got it out
replaced it and running sweet as a nut
cant belive its doing 20 to the gallon now around town.
thanks every for the help :D:D:D