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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: MTK1919 on 04 October 2010, 14:04:35
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Hi all
I have just posted this in the newbies forum, so sorry if some have already read it!
I'm Matt, 28 from Altrincham.
I have recently taken ownership (free) of a Y reg Vauhall Omega 2.2 CD Auto.
To cut a long story short, a women my dad was working for was leaving the country and just wanted to get rid of the omega as she didnt have time to sell etc etc.
The car is black, has 7 months mot (didnt come with tax, but i have just put 6months on) and is currently reading 127k on the clock.
I havent got much history on the car, but it stands me for nothing so i'm not too worried.
Condition wise, its a belter. Only a few scuffs and the interior needs a little clean but in all i'm very happy.
We've had to replace the battery and it had a water leak which was tracked down to one of the heater valves.
Running wise, it seems ok but not 100%. I have a quick look on the forum but maybe some will be able to advise??
Cold start - Not the best. It genrally starts ok with a little throttle, but can sound a bit rough and the idle isnt the best. After 2 mins of so, it runs fine. I'm guessing some of the sensors might need a clean (which ones, and where can I find them?)
Gearbox - Seems to go in limp mode. Not whilst driving, just which I first start it on a morning. I dont get any warning lights but I can tell its in this state because I cannot select sport mode. To fix this (and it works without fail) I simply turn the engine off, and back on then its back in business (quick test that I can engadge sport mode)
Drivers seat - The switch seems broken and I cannot operate it. Although its likely to be the switch, could it be anything else? I'm pretty sure the heating doesnt work on this seat either?
Interior Boot release - This doesnt work, although it works fine on the fob!
Sorry for all the questions! Just thought I'd get them in now as I guess most newbies do!
Thanks
Matt
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Boot release in the car needs for the key to be out of ignition and hold in the button on the dash for a couple of seconds. WILL NOT work with key in ignition.
If you in altrincham i would suggest getting the car over to Elite Pete in Northwich for a thorough service and to sort out any little niggles he does anything i can't do myself on mine and he's getting pretty good at omega's (only joking pete). Seroiuosly Matt you can't go wromg with him and have a look through the how too's :y
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Cold starting and limp mode suggest the cam sensor.
Only replace it with a genuine one from a Vx dealer, do NOT buy one from a motor factor.
The seat switch, have a look in the Maintenance Guides, it will tell you how to service it.
Boot, have you checked the fuses?
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Seat switch here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1163236766
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Cold starting and limp mode suggest the cam sensor.
Only replace it with a genuine one from a Vx dealer, do NOT buy one from a motor factor.
The seat switch, have a look in the Maintenance Guides, it will tell you how to service it.
Boot, have you checked the fuses?
Agreed on the cam sensor :y :y
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Thanks for the suggestions and links all.
So where abouts is the cam sensor, how easy is it to replace and how much from vauxhall does one cost?
Cheers
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Cam sensor change on a 2.2
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1269023974
About £60 from a vauxhall dealer which means going into the dealership not buying an alledged snide one of the bay that some claims is genuine.
If you've no history on the car might be worth doing the cambelt and waterpump while your down there :y
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Cam sensor change on a 2.http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=12690239742
About £60 from a vauxhall dealer which means going into the dealership not buying an alledged snide one of the bay that some claims is genuine.
If you've no history on the car might be worth doing the cambelt and waterpump while your down there :y
Cheers mate, although I dont have permissions to view that link.
I dont trust the bay, so will get one from vauxhall.
So is this a common issue then, and one that definately suggests the cam sensor?
Thanks
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Try the link in my post again Matt not sure what i did last time ok now.
Yes cam sensor isn't unusual to go and easy enough to fix, but as i said earlier if you've no history please get the cambelt and water pump done beacause if these go its bye bye engine :'(
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Cam sensor change on a 2.http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=12690239742
About £60 from a vauxhall dealer which means going into the dealership not buying an alledged snide one of the bay that some claims is genuine.
If you've no history on the car might be worth doing the cambelt and waterpump while your down there :y
Cheers mate, although I dont have permissions to view that link.
I dont trust the bay, so will get one from vauxhall.
So is this a common issue then, and one that definately suggests the cam sensor?
Thanks
Very common on a 2.2.
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Cheers guys
Yeah, i'm trying to retreive as much history from it as I can but the previous owner was a tad dizzy if you catch my drift, and lost all paper work for it. This included the logbook, which I had to contact the DVLA for!
I've always been careful with regards to cambelts on my previous cars. How much are we talking on an omega?
I always thought these 2.2 engines were on a timing chain rather than belt......how wrong I was! ;D
Cheers
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2.2 Diesel is a chain
2.2 Petrol is a belt
Make sure you do the full kit and the water pump(cambelt driven) interval is every 40000.
Buypartsbuy is ok for the parts failing that stick to contitech or gates.
Price depends on whether or not your self fitting :y
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Ah ok cool, I just thought because a friend of mine had a vx220 with the 2.2 engine in and I could have sworn he said it was a chain rather than belt.
Is this the part i'd be looking at?
http://www.autovaux.co.uk/LoadPortal.aspx?cnum=153&pnum=AS90458252&tabid=5&vnum=141
Thanks
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Vauxhall did do more than 1 2.2 engine, the vx220, vectra all had the chain driven engine
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Ah ok cool, I just thought because a friend of mine had a vx220 with the 2.2 engine in and I could have sworn he said it was a chain rather than belt.
Is this the part i'd be looking at?
http://www.autovaux.co.uk/LoadPortal.aspx?cnum=153&pnum=AS90458252&tabid=5&vnum=141
Thanks
Nope. That`s for the 2.0ltr and not genuine. The one you need is
2.2 90520850 £72.00 £64.91 £56.02. Retail, trade & TC + vat
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Ah ok cool, I just thought because a friend of mine had a vx220 with the 2.2 engine in and I could have sworn he said it was a chain rather than belt.
Is this the part i'd be looking at?
http://www.autovaux.co.uk/LoadPortal.aspx?cnum=153&pnum=AS90458252&tabid=5&vnum=141
Thanks
Can't be more specific - ONLY BUY A GENUINE CAM SENSOR FROM A VAUXHALL DEALER - DO NOT BUY ONE FROM AN AUTOFACTORS.
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Ah ok cool, I just thought because a friend of mine had a vx220 with the 2.2 engine in and I could have sworn he said it was a chain rather than belt.
Is this the part i'd be looking at?
http://www.autovaux.co.uk/LoadPortal.aspx?cnum=153&pnum=AS90458252&tabid=5&vnum=141
Thanks
Can't be more specific - ONLY BUY A GENUINE CAM SENSOR FROM A VAUXHALL DEALER - DO NOT BUY ONE FROM AN AUTOFACTORS.
I understand that, thank you.
Was just curious firstly that this is the actual part I am looking for (albeit, not one from vauxhall) and secondly, pointing out that in the description of this it states
" Camshaft Sensor - O.E. Siemens Original Specification"
Cheers
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When people on this site say "only buy genuine part from Vx Dealer", this is because no-one else sells the genuine part, and lots of people have had bad experiences with buying what seeeem to be exact equivalents.
If there was a cheaper place to buy the genuine part, the forum would tell you! ;)
Do contact andyc on here if you don't have a TradeClub card, as he'll give you TradeClub prices if you are a member on here. He works at a real Vauxhall dealership. Or just get a TC card.
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Ah ok, cool.
I feel a bit rude, being a newbie asking for discount from someone i dont know!
So its a cam sensor I am probably going to need? Daft question, but is the cam an crank sensor the same thing?
Is there a user giude to changing this/these sensors? Or at least is there a engine diagram with all the relevant sensors pointed out on?
Also, I have noticed a slight rumbling/vibration. I cannot determine where it is coming from, but it almost feels/sounds like something is stuck in a tyre although i have a feeling its coming from the either the propshaft or rear end. I've never had a rwd car before so i cannot really be 100%. If anyone can point me in the right direction in terms of common things to look for, that'd be great.
Thanks guys
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Ah ok, cool.
I feel a bit rude, being a newbie asking for discount from someone i dont know!
So its a cam sensor I am probably going to need? Daft question, but is the cam an crank sensor the same thing?
Is there a user giude to changing this/these sensors? Or at least is there a engine diagram with all the relevant sensors pointed out on?
Also, I have noticed a slight rumbling/vibration. I cannot determine where it is coming from, but it almost feels/sounds like something is stuck in a tyre although i have a feeling its coming from the either the propshaft or rear end. I've never had a rwd car before so i cannot really be 100%. If anyone can point me in the right direction in terms of common things to look for, that'd be great.
Thanks guys
Here is the guide for fitting the Cam Sensor and no the Cam & Crank sensors are different entirely & the 2.2 is abit of a pig to fit if you have AirCon! ;)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1269023974
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Great, thanks for the link...shouldnt be too much of a problem.
So in this guide it explains that it cures the gearbox limp home mode which I obviously get, but does this sensor also cause cold start problems when faulty as suggested earlier in this thread?
So how easy if the crank sensor to change?
Thanks again
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Very unlikley that its your crank sensor, change the cam sensor and it will all be fine again ;)
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Nice one thanks.
Its just something I noticed on another thread.
So it'll help with the cold start? Is there any other sensors i should check/clean whilst i'm at it?
I also noticed that when cold, theres a little more noise then expected from the exhaust manifold. Again, because i've not had one of these before, I dont know what to compare it against. I dont know if its blowing, or just vibrating a little due to a slightly rough idle when cold.
Matt
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Ah ok, cool.
I feel a bit rude, being a newbie asking for discount from someone i dont know!
So its a cam sensor I am probably going to need? Daft question, but is the cam an crank sensor the same thing?
Is there a user giude to changing this/these sensors? Or at least is there a engine diagram with all the relevant sensors pointed out on?
Also, I have noticed a slight rumbling/vibration. I cannot determine where it is coming from, but it almost feels/sounds like something is stuck in a tyre although i have a feeling its coming from the either the propshaft or rear end. I've never had a rwd car before so i cannot really be 100%. If anyone can point me in the right direction in terms of common things to look for, that'd be great.
Thanks guys
Here is the guide for fitting the Cam Sensor and no the Cam & Crank sensors are different entirely & the 2.2 is abit of a pig to fit if you have AirCon! ;)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1269023974
I actually meant the Crank Sensor is a pig to fit if you have AirCon, sorry it wasn't clearer :y
As for Manifold noise when cold? The 2.2 & 2.0 manifolds are prone to cracking iirc :-/ There is a characteristic 'clicking' noise if cracked, and you would need to remove the heat shield to check the upper manifold surface and use a torch & mirror to check underneath or remove the manifold altogether to check it properly. as the car warms up, the crack closes up & the noise reduces. It could be you have a manifold stud/s snapped or missing nut/s or the manifold may even just need tightening to the correct torque? :y
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Had the same problem, was the cam sensor.
Got a vauxhall part & worked a treat thanks to this forum.
I managed to change it without taking the cam cover off etc as it ses in the maintenance guide. Came very close to snapping it though, but got away with it. So would suggest you follow the guide :D
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Had the same problem, was the cam sensor.
Got a vauxhall part & worked a treat thanks to this forum.
I managed to change it without taking the cam cover off etc as it ses in the maintenance guide. Came very close to snapping it though, but got away with it. So would suggest you follow the guide :D
:o :o How on earth did you get the bolt undone :-? :-?
To the OP follow the guide :y
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Yeah the guide looks simple enough so will get the part ordered and crack on with it.
The manifold looks like its relatively easy to access.......would i be wrong in that assumption though?
So back to the cam sensor. Why is it, that when I get the problem......i can get it working again but simply turning it off and back on again? Is it something to do the the position of the cam/sensor at the time of starting?
Also, If i dont replace, is it likely to just pack up completely and always go into limp mode?
Thanks again for the advice......much appreciated.
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Anyone know if the manifold is easy to check, as above......and why the sensor seems to jump into life when I switch off/on?
Thanks
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Hit the nail on the head here.
Just removed the heat shield and revealed a cracked manifold! booo!!
As for Manifold noise when cold? The 2.2 & 2.0 manifolds are prone to cracking iirc :-/ There is a characteristic 'clicking' noise if cracked, and you would need to remove the heat shield to check the upper manifold surface and use a torch & mirror to check underneath or remove the manifold altogether to check it properly. as the car warms up, the crack closes up & the noise reduces. It could be you have a manifold stud/s snapped or missing nut/s or the manifold may even just need tightening to the correct torque? :y
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Seat switch here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1163236766
Thanks for this link.
I've had the switch itself apart today, and i'm pretty positive theres something missing from it. On the reverse side of the switch, there is nothing to actually push the metal contacts together. Has anyone got a picture of how this switch should look like? I tried to remove the working passenger side switch, but couldnt get enough slack on the cable.
Also, all the wiring under the seat is a bit of a mess and not truncked in place.......so i think one of the previous owners has been messing about!
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Anyone know where the best place to get a cam sensor from?
Thanks
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Yes, read this thread again! ;D
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As above. Do you actually read and digest the info in the posted replies ::)
MTK1919 wrote on 05. Oct 2010 at 12:23:
Ah ok cool, I just thought because a friend of mine had a vx220 with the 2.2 engine in and I could have sworn he said it was a chain rather than belt.
Is this the part i'd be looking at?
http://www.autovaux.co.uk/LoadPortal.aspx?cnum=153&pnum=AS90458252&tabid=5&vnum=...
Thanks
Can't be more specific - ONLY BUY A GENUINE CAM SENSOR FROM A VAUXHALL DEALER - DO NOT BUY ONE FROM AN AUTOFACTORS.
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As above. Do you actually read and digest the info in the posted replies ::)
MTK1919 wrote on 05. Oct 2010 at 12:23:
Ah ok cool, I just thought because a friend of mine had a vx220 with the 2.2 engine in and I could have sworn he said it was a chain rather than belt.
Is this the part i'd be looking at?
http://www.autovaux.co.uk/LoadPortal.aspx?cnum=153&pnum=AS90458252&tabid=5&vnum=...
Thanks
Can't be more specific - ONLY BUY A GENUINE CAM SENSOR FROM A VAUXHALL DEALER - DO NOT BUY ONE FROM AN AUTOFACTORS.
Ok firstly, I understand that I have to buy a genuine part. I posted up a link to a part (yes I know it was for the wrong engine) but I was curious as they were claiming it was of original specification.
Secondly, I know that someone has suggested that I buy from a vauxhall dealer.....but as it happens, I have since found that autovaux sells genuine GM parts aswell.
So in short, yes I do read and digest posts on this thread (hence the reason for the post in the first place)
Yes i'm a newbie, with only 25 post to your massive almost 5k count but i'm I really causing you so much bother to prompt you to come out with a rude comment?? Umm, I do wonder!
Wind your neck in!
Thanks to others for usefull comments btw.
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Don't think Rob meant any offence matt, and autovaux do sell some genuine stuff and a lot of OE (original equipment) ie stuff made to the same specification.
As has been said i really do suggest that you go to a vauxhall dealership and order the part at least then your 100% sure you have the correct GM part. OK it costs a little more but cheaper than buying the same part twice.
Will try and get the part number for you :y
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No offence was meant Matt, it was a tongue in cheek remark, but it is exasperating when questions are asked, answered in the thread, then asked again ;)
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Will try and get the part number for you :y
Thanks mate
Autovaux are quoting £63.18 and claim it is genuine GM part.
Will see how much vaux are coming out at (see if its the same as Rob listed earlier)
Ideally, I want it for this weekend but if I am lucky enough to use somebodies trade discount I guess i'll be pushing it for the weekend.
Nothing like a bit of forward planning ::)
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Will try and get the part number for you :y
Thanks mate
Autovaux are quoting £63.18 and claim it is genuine GM part.
Will see how much vaux are coming out at (see if its the same as Rob listed earlier)
Ideally, I want it for this weekend but if I am lucky enough to use somebodies trade discount I guess i'll be pushing it for the weekend.
Nothing like a bit of forward planning ::)
Matt, the part number I listed is correct and the prices are current :)
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Thanks
I just spoke to VX parts in Eccles and the guy quoted me £84 over the phone and its not in stock either.
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Anyone near you with a Trade Card
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Give Andy a ring, may be able to help, and you`ll get the trade discount http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=59565C415B380