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Title: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2010, 15:36:43
First there was code 0300, then code 0305 (oil in plug 5 needing new gasket set.) Now we have 0306

I have just spent 2 hours trying to lift the coil pack from 2,4,6 cylinder bank. My blood is everywhere.

I think the coil pack is Donald ducked. Any idea how much for a new one? Can I use a pattern part or second hand part?

Any ideas please.
(http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae183/janbowles/P1010313-1.jpg)
(http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae183/janbowles/P1010305-1.jpg)
(http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae183/janbowles/P1010312-2.jpg)
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 December 2010, 15:45:50
A bit to coincidental for my liking TBH.

Two totaly unrelated faults occuring at the same time!

Were both cam cover seal sets replaced at the same time or not and were the breathers cleaned?
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2010, 16:23:21
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A bit to coincidental for my liking TBH.

Two totaly unrelated faults occuring at the same time!

Were both cam cover seal sets replaced at the same time or not and were the breathers cleaned?

I have no idea Mark......The gaskets may well be original.....I have just paid £38 for a genuine VX gasket set for cylinders 1,3,5,after finding oil in plug 5.  The  coil pack from 2,4,6...looks like it's been on the way out for some considerable time.....perhaps this cold snap has finally finished it off. :-? :-? 
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Welung666 on 08 December 2010, 16:30:03
The 246 bank looks like water damage. Once you have finished doing the cam covers and you've replaced the skuttle run a bead of the black sealant around each wiper spindle and down the seam where the 2 halves of the skuttle come together :y
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Welung666 on 08 December 2010, 16:34:20
What about these....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vectra-omega-Y26SE-Z32se-dis-coil-packs-0221503027-/150529081071?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item230c3b7eef
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2010, 17:03:28
Thanks Welung....

This may well be a stupid question.....but are they £69 each or the pair?.......are they new ...or are they reconditioned?....They make reference to "having been tested".... :y
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: RobG on 08 December 2010, 17:22:33
£69 the pair. Not new, not recon. Taken from a breaker (note the user name)
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Welung666 on 08 December 2010, 17:30:10
Read the about us section near the bottom of the ad, states they are tested, if in doubt, call them ;) :y
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2010, 18:13:35
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£69 the pair. Not new, not recon. Taken from a breaker (note the user name)

You can buy a brand new(single) Bosch coil pack for £65......so the breakers want more than 50% of the cost of a brand new one.....for a coil pack that is at least seven years old.....and probably just about to fail....Crazy... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Welung666 on 08 December 2010, 18:46:55
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£69 the pair. Not new, not recon. Taken from a breaker (note the user name)

You can buy a brand new(single) Bosch coil pack for £65......so the breakers want more than 50% of the cost of a brand new one.....for a coil pack that is at least seven years old.....and probably just about to fail....Crazy... :'( :'( :'(

Have a search on eGay, there is a pair of new ones listed for £125 :y
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2010, 19:01:04
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£69 the pair. Not new, not recon. Taken from a breaker (note the user name)

You can buy a brand new(single) Bosch coil pack for £65......so the breakers want more than 50% of the cost of a brand new one.....for a coil pack that is at least seven years old.....and probably just about to fail....Crazy... :'( :'( :'(

Have a search on eGay, there is a pair of new ones listed for £125 :y


Will do ...thanks :y
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: peterm on 08 December 2010, 20:34:28
try having a serch on goble by part number as well you may find them thers also
scarpies are just pricing them sleve out of a job now days
70 qwid an alet nator  i got a recon fot 90 with 12 monts warenty
50/60 for a rad only 95 new for generic one but still a new rad
may not last as long a gebnuine vau but will last longer tahn used
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Brikhead on 08 December 2010, 20:44:34
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(note the user name)

I wrote that exact name on a package today, the package contained a slightly used Elite A.B.S. pump and E.C.U.
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Kneepad on 08 December 2010, 20:52:30
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(note the user name)

I wrote that exact name on a package today, the package contained a slightly used Elite A.B.S. pump and E.C.U.


What you saying Brikhead, someone buying from you then selling on at a profit on theBay ?
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 December 2010, 21:37:37
How much water and condensation was in no 6 plug well?

I have to be honest, that coil pack looks worse than it is, no swelling of the iron evident and no major cracks around the casing.
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 December 2010, 21:38:20
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A bit to coincidental for my liking TBH.

Two totaly unrelated faults occuring at the same time!

Were both cam cover seal sets replaced at the same time or not and were the breathers cleaned?

I have no idea Mark......The gaskets may well be original.....I have just paid £38 for a genuine VX gasket set for cylinders 1,3,5,after finding oil in plug 5.  The  coil pack from 2,4,6...looks like it's been on the way out for some considerable time.....perhaps this cold snap has finally finished it off. :-? :-? 

If they didn;t clean the breathers then the next weakest link will go.  :y
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: P6UL K on 08 December 2010, 22:08:08
I had to buy these today:

http://www.vauxhallworldparts.com/vauxhall.php?partnumber=9118114 £62.86

http://www.vauxhallworldparts.com/vauxhall.php?partnumber=9118115 £62.56

Both mine were knackered and Vx had only one bank in stock, the ones above are being delivered tomorrow  :y  Plus the Vx ones were £112 + VAT each.... I hadn't got a quote for trade but still wouldn't of been as good of deal as the Vauxhall World ones.
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2010, 23:09:45
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How much water and condensation was in no 6 plug well?

I have to be honest, that coil pack looks worse than it is, no swelling of the iron evident and no major cracks around the casing.

Bone dry...Mark
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2010, 23:13:31
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I had to buy these today:

http://www.vauxhallworldparts.com/vauxhall.php?partnumber=9118114 £62.86

http://www.vauxhallworldparts.com/vauxhall.php?partnumber=9118115 £62.56

Both mine were knackered and Vx had only one bank in stock, the ones above are being delivered tomorrow  :y  Plus the Vx ones were £112 + VAT each.... I hadn't got a quote for trade but still wouldn't of been as good of deal as the Vauxhall World ones.

Thanks for the link Paul.. :y....good price too.
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 December 2010, 08:03:29
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How much water and condensation was in no 6 plug well?

I have to be honest, that coil pack looks worse than it is, no swelling of the iron evident and no major cracks around the casing.

Bone dry...Mark

Interesting as the state of the boots sudgest they have been wet. Was it still missfiring?

If not then sort the scuttle (stop the water leak), wipe the coil pack down and refit.
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Malcolm_D on 09 December 2010, 22:49:35
Looking at the photos it is clear that the coil packs on the 2.6 are a lot different to the 2.5 Are they any more reliable and more importantly they look as if they are easier to get to?  :)
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Kevin Wood on 09 December 2010, 23:38:35
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Looking at the photos it is clear that the coil packs on the 2.6 are a lot different to the 2.5 Are they any more reliable and more importantly they look as if they are easier to get to?  :)

Not significantly and yes, IMHO. ;)

Kevin
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: TheBoy on 10 December 2010, 17:00:35
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Looking at the photos it is clear that the coil packs on the 2.6 are a lot different to the 2.5 Are they any more reliable and more importantly they look as if they are easier to get to?  :)

Not significantly and yes, IMHO. ;)

Kevin
I disagree - I think 2.6/3.2 coilpacks are less reliable than coilpacks (though probably less prone to an HBV having a wee all over them)
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: PxMetro on 10 December 2010, 21:42:56
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First there was code 0300, then code 0305 (oil in plug 5 needing new gasket set.) Now we have 0306

I have just spent 2 hours trying to lift the coil pack from 2,4,6 cylinder bank. My blood is everywhere.

I think the coil pack is Donald ducked. Any idea how much for a new one? Can I use a pattern part or second hand part?

Any ideas please.
(http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae183/janbowles/P1010313-1.jpg)
(http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae183/janbowles/P1010305-1.jpg)
(http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae183/janbowles/P1010312-2.jpg)
Based on the evidence in your photo, the coil pack for the rear cylinder has definately been immersed in water at some stage. My 3.2 suffered from a really bad missfire problem earlier this year, and when I removed the coil pack module assembly, all 3 plugs were totally immersed in water. I fitted a new genuine module purchased from VX as I did not fancy having to take it all apart again after a few months. I think one of the contributing factors to the water ingress is water leaking from the base of skuttle onto the coil pack. What I did when replacing the skuttle was to use a sealing compound at the join, to ensure any water was retained within the skuttle area to drain away as it should. Others on here may have different opinions on this, but, I have since seen no evedence of water leaking onto the engine, and no miss-firing problem. Incidentally the coil pack I replaced was in alot worse condition than yours, even slightly buckled when viewed from end to end.   
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: feeutfo on 10 December 2010, 22:27:04
Have owned 3 3.2s, 2 of which had worse coil pacs than pictured with no miss fire evident. Yes the rust is present, but it's not swelling or cracking the plastic around the cores. As said, water has been in there, no doubt about it.

So, last time, have you changed the plugs while your there?
Title: Re: New coil pack needed methinks
Post by: Jimbob on 11 December 2010, 12:20:01
iirc, he was changing the plugs, and discovered this  :y