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Title: hand brake fail mot
Post by: freecall666 on 18 January 2011, 19:14:09
have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Andy B on 18 January 2011, 19:24:12
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have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(

have you followed the guide to the letter?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750 you need slack in the cable before you start at the back.
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: RobG on 18 January 2011, 19:25:35
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have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(
Rusty  :D :D ;)
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Kneepad on 18 January 2011, 19:26:28
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have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(


Amount of handbrake travel comes into play. I would fit new shoes then adjust so that handbrake is tight after 4 clicks.
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: dbug on 18 January 2011, 19:29:45
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have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(
Rusty  :D :D ;)

Rob - you saying what I've been thinking?  ;)
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: RobG on 18 January 2011, 19:31:21
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have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(
Rusty  :D :D ;)

Rob - you saying what I've been thinking?  ;)
Quite a few are thinking it and a few have said it ;D
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: dbug on 18 January 2011, 19:34:54
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have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(
Rusty  :D :D ;)

Rob - you saying what I've been thinking?  ;)
Quite a few are thinking it and a few have said it ;D

Oh dear  :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: freecall666 on 18 January 2011, 19:35:21
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have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(

have you followed the guide to the letter?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750 you need slack in the cable before you start at the back.
yep done that, with hand brake on and in first gear stalls engine, but when he puts it on rolling wheels it fails on both sides, there is 4mil gap on hand brake cable so it just moves on the bolt nut says 1mil is the minimun on shoes but there is 3mil left on them, he said there is no problem with the cable torque its the shoes but its got me baffled.???
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Jimbob on 18 January 2011, 20:18:49
shoes and disks prob just want well coating in copperslip, not ordinary grease, the heat wont do it any good.
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: freecall666 on 18 January 2011, 20:25:09
i will try that jimbow, would sanding the shoes do any harm just some wet and dry would it make any difference??
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Jimbob on 18 January 2011, 20:28:20
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i will try that jimbow, would sanding the shoes do any harm just some wet and dry would it make any difference??


definately, you want those shoes as smooth as possible
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: freecall666 on 18 January 2011, 20:30:40
ill give it ago in moning thanks  :y
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: tidla on 18 January 2011, 20:39:15
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: VXL V6 on 18 January 2011, 20:57:15
Disclaimer time!

 ::) ;D
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Jimbob on 18 January 2011, 21:03:27
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Disclaimer time!

 ::) ;D


Just giving the same quality of advice he gives others  :y
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Elite Pete on 18 January 2011, 21:28:10
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have adjusted the adjuster on shoes both sides- failed
taken off the discs clean'd drum's, shoes fine got 3mil left on them, failed
re-did clean and adjusted hand brake,
parked on a 30% hill dont move
costing a fortune keep putting it back in is there anthing else that i could be missing?? :( :( :'( :'(
Rusty  :D :D ;)
I think so too  ::)
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: freecall666 on 19 January 2011, 21:22:50
just put new rear discs on and shoes and pads  £180 and still failed??????
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: RobG on 19 January 2011, 21:27:00
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just put new rear discs on and shoes and pads  £180 and still failed??????
Was that for 3 sets. :o Obviously you`re not doing it right. Anyone else live in the woods who can help  :D
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: feeutfo on 19 January 2011, 21:29:16
Drive along and pull the hand brake on to bed it in......   At 100mph  :-X  at a sensible speed. 
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: CaptainZok on 19 January 2011, 21:45:36
Coat the inside of the drums with evostik, helps the shoes grip. ;D
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: RobG on 19 January 2011, 21:46:39
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Coat the inside of the drums with evostik, helps the shoes grip. ;D
Magic :y :y ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Jimbob on 20 January 2011, 07:39:02
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Coat the inside of the drums with evostik, helps the shoes grip. ;D


PMSL
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: smokingomega on 20 January 2011, 13:26:31
I had a problem like this, someone who owned the car before me put some new backplates on but instead of doing the job properly they just chopped them in half and fitted them.
I had to strip both sides and fit new bearings too, the hardest job was getting my hands on some backplates. they are like rocking horse s**t
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 20 January 2011, 13:38:56
Still not had confirmation that the guide has been followed fully with all parts removed, stripped and replaced
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Entwood on 20 January 2011, 14:41:47
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Still not had confirmation that the guide has been followed fully with all parts removed, stripped and replaced

And I doubt you'll get it .. especially if the OP reckons he's spent £180 on bits !!!
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: freecall666 on 20 January 2011, 15:43:47
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Still not had confirmation that the guide has been followed fully with all parts removed, stripped and replaced
followed to letter, £180 no vat with 20% discount at bullies motor factors.
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 20 January 2011, 16:07:02
So the lever assembly at the base of the back plate was removed, stripped, cleaned and refitted after some grease was applied to the pivot?
Title: Re: hand brake fail mot
Post by: freecall666 on 21 January 2011, 07:18:01
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So the lever assembly at the base of the back plate was removed, stripped, cleaned and refitted after some grease was applied to the pivot?
yep think im going to see about some new one did not come in kit with new set when put them back in there is play in them.. copper greased and removed all muck cleaned the back plate and gave it a coat of paint... where do you get new one's from as were not in the kit and it said full kit on box from GM only tuck them 8hrs to deliver...cable has about 1 1/2 inches left on bolt nut so room there nothing is sticking any were, did 30mph and used hand beake just slow'd down then stopped no skidding at all or locking up???