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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: mathewst on 24 January 2011, 12:46:43
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I am loking at putting lpg in the mig.
System is BRC with direct injection.
How much more lpg will the car consume?
Are there any recomendations on driving (two tanks lpg one petrol tank) or something similar?
Any advice is welcome
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Mine uses around 10% more LPG than petrol, go for the biggest tank you can accomodate, mine is 80 litres but still leaves plenty of room.
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Mine uses around 10% more LPG than petrol, go for the biggest tank you can accomodate, mine is 80 litres but still leaves plenty of room.
Same here, about 10% down on petrol, ie 30mpg on petrol, 27 mpg on gas.
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Your looking at 10-20% drop in mpg, on petrol i could easily hit 34mpg average, lpg, lucky to get 27, mostly i got 25.
But with LPG, mpg is not important, its pence per mile!
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I am loking at putting lpg in the mig.
System is BRC with direct injection.
How much more lpg will the car consume?
Are there any recomendations on driving (two tanks lpg one petrol tank) or something similar?
Any advice is welcome
if you are going to have it installed, never let them drill the manifold in situ.. and ask them to do every step of parameter tuning for sensors as written in the official installation guide .. and before you go, be definitely sure of your all ignition components so car is trouble free initally.. and check/ or have it checked for error codes before installation starts..
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I am loking at putting lpg in the mig.
System is BRC with direct injection.
How much more lpg will the car consume?
Are there any recomendations on driving (two tanks lpg one petrol tank) or something similar?
Any advice is welcome
if you are going to have it installed, never let them drill the manifold in situ.. and ask them to do every step of parameter tuning for sensors as written in the official installation guide .. and before you go, be definitely sure of your all ignition components so car is trouble free initally.. and check/ or have it checked for error codes before installation starts..
Always a good question to ask the installer, just a few small holes can create a lot of crap for the engine to intake, these were taken when the injectors where drilled and tapped for mine:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/InjectorMounting/DSC00581.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/InjectorMounting/DSC00584.JPG)
As for tank size, the petrol one remains. The best solution is a 80L torpedo tank, but you do loose half the boot and ability to put anything through into the car. You could get a 55L donut tank and replace spare wheel, but range is limiting.
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2 weeks ago one mechanic friend showed me the particles he find in cylinder bore left from an LPG install .. I wish I had their piccies :o
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What systems do you have on your cars (the one I bought should be pretty good since it was the most expensive one?
Also Cem good idea about code checking before leaving the car to be lpg-ed
I have no idea about lpg installing.
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most of us who have done DIY went with Stag kit, given its been fitted to a number of members cars, between us we must have clocked up a lot of miles. I've done 20k trouble free on it
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Thanks Tunnie.
I saw a how to about instaling lpg, but here you cannot install it anywhere than in the authorised dealers cause you cannot have the car motted without lpg certificate ( for which you have to get the papers from the dealers about kit and installation and then pay the state another 150 pounds >:( )
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ah yes, paper work, that reminds me :-X ::)
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Thanks Tunnie.
I saw a how to about instaling lpg, but here you cannot install it anywhere than in the authorised dealers cause you cannot have the car motted without lpg certificate ( for which you have to get the papers from the dealers about kit and installation and then pay the state another 150 pounds >:( )
same problem, different pirates >:(
I must note , here most installers dont bother detailed tuning of parameters and preparing the map.. instead they load a default map/parameters previously installed on another car (same model of course).. which I doubt will give same results on every car.. of course new model lpg ecu's can compansate but not everytime..
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I have the BRC Sequent 56 system fitted (professionaly done) and am exceedingly pleased with it.
Fuel costs have dropped from 25p/mile on petrol to 15p/mile on LPG .. a saving of 40% ... and that is over just under 3 years and 30,000 miles .. :)
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Mathewst, this may give some idea
http://www.2a-lpg.com/SEQUENT/VOLVO/V40_18i_16V_B4184S2_en.pdf
http://www.remixbg.com/Documentation/Documents/Gazovi%20uredbi/BRC/Manuale_sw_Seq_3_3_EN.pdf
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More generic links rather than Volvo ones ....
http://www.remixbg.com/Documentation/Documents/Gazovi%20uredbi/BRC/SEQUENT%20Plug%20&%20Drive/Manuale_Seq_Instal_1_3_en.pdf
http://www.brc-gas.ru/UserFiles/File/komplekt56.pdf
http://www.brc-gas.ru/UserFiles/File/docs/3.3%20SQ56%20GPL.pdf
HTH :)
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More generic links rather than Volvo ones ....
http://www.remixbg.com/Documentation/Documents/Gazovi%20uredbi/BRC/SEQUENT%20Plug%20&%20Drive/Manuale_Seq_Instal_1_3_en.pdf
http://www.brc-gas.ru/UserFiles/File/komplekt56.pdf
http://www.brc-gas.ru/UserFiles/File/docs/3.3%20SQ56%20GPL.pdf
HTH :)
not something special about Volvo, aim was to give some info on a 4 pot easier installation..
the other link is completely different also..
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what sort of prices are we talking about to lpg a v6 ? ( diy )
i would need a donut tank as i need all the boot space i can :y
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Tiger not sure donut tank in a V6 is good since it is too small (45 to 50 litres i think). Range of the car would be pretty small.
Plus the position of the spare wheel seems pretty dangerous to me, not protected by virtually anything except a body panel.
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Tiger not sure donut tank in a V6 is good since it is too small (45 to 50 litres i think). Range of the car would be pretty small.
Plus the position of the spare wheel seems pretty dangerous to me, not protected by virtually anything except a body panel.
from experience , 80 litre tanks are good for people who commute long distances everyday.. and they have the advantage when you travel between cities as lpg stations are not that frequent.. (if you ignore loosing half of the boot)..
I used 45 litre tank on my previous car and was adequate for more than a week.. so imo it depends on your daily mileage..
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Mine is a 75 litre tank & still leaves plenty of boot space for my varied needs :y
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab197/philrich1064/LPG%20Installation%20Pics/LPGInstallation37.jpg)
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Tiger not sure donut tank in a V6 is good since it is too small (45 to 50 litres i think). Range of the car would be pretty small.Plus the position of the spare wheel seems pretty dangerous to me, not protected by virtually anything except a body panel.
sadly the boot has either a big dog in there or all my tools and cable :)
95% of my driving is round town in trafic so poping in for a top up is never going to be a problem :y
struggling too get 24mpg at the moment :(
don't want to get rid of the mig, it might be a bit of a shed but it runs like a dream nowdays so something needs to be done.
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what sort of prices are we talking about to lpg a v6 ? ( diy )
i would need a donut tank as i need all the boot space i can :y
Keep an eye on this thread (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1290943018/135) as I'm currently negotiating prices for us :y
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will do
cheers :y
any forcast on this ?
cars due mot in about 6 weeks
if it goes well, i'm looking at doing it before easter :y
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will do
cheers :y
any forcast on this ?
cars due mot in about 6 weeks
if it goes well, i'm looking at doing it before easter :y
I'd like to think I'll have something sorted by the end of Friday :y :y
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great :y
if you could pm me when things are sorted it would be appreciated :y
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great :y
if you could pm me when things are sorted it would be appreciated :y
Keep an eye on this thread (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1290943018/150#153) too in case I forget ::)
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;D now in my favorites :y
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Mine is a 75 litre tank & still leaves plenty of boot space for my varied needs :y
Its a baby tank, you want a 90L one :)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Day2and3/DSC00682.JPG)
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most of us who have done DIY went with Stag kit, given its been fitted to a number of members cars, between us we must have clocked up a lot of miles. I've done 20k trouble free on it
Can anyone recommend a supplier for an AC STAG 4 ECU with complete front end kit please ? Ideally I'd like a supplier that is able to give some telephione support if required.
Do the kits come with good instructiions or just a wiring diagram ?
Many Thanks in Advance
Steve
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most of us who have done DIY went with Stag kit, given its been fitted to a number of members cars, between us we must have clocked up a lot of miles. I've done 20k trouble free on it
Can anyone recommend a supplier for an AC STAG 4 ECU with complete front end kit please ? Ideally I'd like a supplier that is able to give some telephione support if required.
Do the kits come with good instructiions or just a wiring diagram ?
Many Thanks in Advance
Steve
You have a PM with the info ;)
They only come with a wiring diagram really but there are many guides in the maintenance section ;)
You'll get better/quicker support through here and between us we can probably solve most problems for you :y