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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: markm730 on 20 February 2011, 13:50:09
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Can anyone advise on how to go about getting an lpg conversion sorted on my 2000 w-reg 2.5 petrol. dont really want to get rid of it but could do with an alternative to the rising fuel prices. dont really do a lot of miles every week but is costing a small fortune at moment. im based in the north west (Oldham). just tryin to get some feedback as to the pro's an cons of having this done and an idea of cost and wheres best to go to get it done.
cheers all
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Best place to get it done is DIY :y
Assuming you went for a cylinder tank you could get the whole kit for under £700... Average saving is 10p per mile so it will have paid for itself within 10,000 miles (this allows for the little bit of petrol required and any extra service costs :y)
But... If you only do short journeys then the payback time is much longer as every start will need petrol and from cold it will take a couple of minutes before it switches over ;)
You need a Sequential Injection Kit if you start ringing around for quotes and the manifold should NOT be drilled in situ ::)
Have a look through the Maintenance guides... I know there isn't a V6 front end guide yet (hopefully get one written up this week) but you'll get the idea :y
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unfortunately i dont have the time, resources, tools, space to start doing it myself. was looking at getting it done proffesionally if i was to do it all. currently seen prices around £1400 inc vat and extras. was after some advice about the pro's and cons of having it done and whether or not it would be worth spending this amount. also wanted to know if there was anywhere local to me that i could get advice from.
thanks
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unfortunately i dont have the time, resources, tools, space to start doing it myself. was looking at getting it done proffesionally if i was to do it all. currently seen prices around £1400 inc vat and extras. was after some advice about the pro's and cons of having it done and whether or not it would be worth spending this amount. also wanted to know if there was anywhere local to me that i could get advice from.
thanks
If you're paying someone to do it there are a few questions to ask.
1) Have you converted a V6 Omega Before?
2) Assuming yes, Please can you put me in touch with the customer so I can get a first hand testimonial?
3) Do you remove the Inlet Manifold before drilling and tapping it for the injector nozzles?
4) What kit will you be fitting?
That's a good start ;) I couldn't recommend anyone from that area as I would always DIY a conversion ::)
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If they say No to question 3, run away!
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Dont mean to sound off about this...
Have just sent a mail to 1 of the companies i requested a price from - Autogas solutions Uk who claim to have 10years experience of conversions and give prices for 4, 6 and 8 cylinder vehicles, and have added the questions listed, so waiting on a reply. will let you know what they say when i hear back
cheers :y
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I've just had the rear end kit for miggy's conversion delivered a couple of hours ago, and that just about completes everthing, as I had the front end kit delivered a few days ago, so its now full ahead with the install,I'll certainly not be breaking any speed records, but for sure the installation will be as good if not better than any professional install, that's what's best about diy, time isn't at a premium but job quality is, specially if theres expert advice and back up available from somewhere like Oof.And the kit quality really couldn't be better :y :y
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I've just had the rear end kit for miggy's conversion delivered a couple of hours ago, and that just about completes everthing, as I had the front end kit delivered a few days ago, so its now full ahead with the install,I'll certainly not be breaking any speed records, but for sure the installation will be as good if not better than any professional install, that's what's best about diy, time isn't at a premium but job quality is, specially if theres expert advice and back up available from somewhere like Oof.And the kit quality really couldn't be better :y :y
Good to hear things are underway, Cliff. You know where to come if you have any questions. :y
What tank option did you go for in the estate?
Kevin
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I've just had the rear end kit for miggy's conversion delivered a couple of hours ago, and that just about completes everthing, as I had the front end kit delivered a few days ago, so its now full ahead with the install,I'll certainly not be breaking any speed records, but for sure the installation will be as good if not better than any professional install, that's what's best about diy, time isn't at a premium but job quality is, specially if theres expert advice and back up available from somewhere like Oof.And the kit quality really couldn't be better :y :y
Have you got yourself some of this Cliffo? It comes in different OD's & is a 'must' for a really tidy, professional finish, plus some (as in mine ::)) LPG Inspectors insist on it before they will issue a Compliance Certificate for entry onto the National LPG Database & Insurance/DVLA. I used almost a full 10metre length of 10mm on my 2.2 but I imagine you might need about 12metres on your V6? HTH, Regards Phil :y
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10mm-o-dia-SPLIT-cable-sleeving-conduit-black-3-mtrs-/140478802073?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Terminals_Cabling_ET&hash=item20b5306899
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Asked Teilo for a Stako full centre filled 4 hole toroidal tank, with valve plate, part No F65007714L 65cm dia by 27cm high 77L= 61L useable, and he came back to me with an equivalent GZWM he said it has marginally less capacity due to the valve plate being slightly more recessed,and gave me a price of 278+20del+vat, with sender, valve set, vapour sealing box, filler, fill line, adapter for 3/4 unf to 8mm compression. I asked Lazy Docker and he said he thought it was ok and at a good price,I will of course need to build up the rear floor. My only reservation is the weight of the tank according to the shipping weight is 44KG still the spare wheel won,t be on board, if needed I do have an excellent fall back if the rear end sags unduly with the van in tow.On my previous MV6 miggy I had cylindrical pump up air bags that fit inside the rear springs and still have them, I fitted this system to preserve the MV6 suspension in solo trim and yet be able to tow, it worked very well, much like the present S/L shocks only it gave the springs themselves extra pneumatic support to maintane level according to load.Can't see me being able to work out all this tech stuff easily by myself Kevin,no doubt with lots of time and research I would eventually get there, if I get stuck your help will be much appreciated seen the pics of your install,gave me a standard to work to :y
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Hello Phil, thanks for your interest and support,Lazy Docker mentioned about some install requirements he said I think COP11.I asked Teilo to let me have a copy and he sent me a copy by EMail this was 2 weeks back I gave them a quick scan at the time but will now be giving them an in depth study before I start on Thurs they did mention useing a protective pipe cladding and that convoluted stuff looks just the job :y
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Asked Teilo for a Stako full centre filled 4 hole toroidal tank, with valve plate, part No F65007714L 65cm dia by 27cm high 77L= 61L useable, and he came back to me with an equivalent GZWM ...
Yep, mine's a GZWM (Grodkowskie Zak[ch322]ady Wyrobów Metalowych S.A.in case you're wondering!) tank. Sounds just the job. :y
Kevin
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Wow! :o quiet a few syllabels there,still one thing for sure I can see it's well engineered I think our Polish friends have always been one of the best at engineering :y
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Wow! :o quiet a few syllabels there,still one thing for sure I can see it's well engineered I think our Polish friends have always been one of the best at engineering :y
They also produce some of the best (and worst) LPG kits ;)
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Once you actually get hold of Teilo, I think he is very, very helpful. I've managed to speak to him 2 days running now :o
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Once you actually get hold of Teilo, I think he is very, very helpful. I've managed to speak to him 2 days running now :o
Now you're in contact it will probably be much easier... That certainly seems to be the normal routine ::)
As I'm sure Cliff will agree, if you can be patient and chase him up it's worth it ;) ;D
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Sure is difficult to contact but well worth the patience, I think he's the victim of his star quality in the lpg field, so I forgive him every time :y
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Oh at least for the next few days I've no need to natter him so the coast is clear. :y :y
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Once you actually get hold of Teilo, I think he is very, very helpful. I've managed to speak to him 2 days running now :o
Now you're in contact it will probably be much easier... That certainly seems to be the normal routine ::)
As I'm sure Cliff will agree, if you can be patient and chase him up it's worth it ;) ;D
I know last year when I got the LPG for MV6 he was difficult to get hold of, but this year has been incredibly difficult.
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Once you actually get hold of Teilo, I think he is very, very helpful. I've managed to speak to him 2 days running now :o
Now you're in contact it will probably be much easier... That certainly seems to be the normal routine ::)
As I'm sure Cliff will agree, if you can be patient and chase him up it's worth it ;) ;D
I know last year when I got the LPG for MV6 he was difficult to get hold of, but this year has been incredibly difficult.
I'll explain a bit more on Saturday... I know why it's been so difficult this time around and should, hopefully, improve in the very near future ;)
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Once you actually get hold of Teilo, I think he is very, very helpful. I've managed to speak to him 2 days running now :o
Now you're in contact it will probably be much easier... That certainly seems to be the normal routine ::)
As I'm sure Cliff will agree, if you can be patient and chase him up it's worth it ;) ;D
I know last year when I got the LPG for MV6 he was difficult to get hold of, but this year has been incredibly difficult.
I'll explain a bit more on Saturday... I know why it's been so difficult this time around and should, hopefully, improve in the very near future ;)
He might have mentioned it ::)
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Once you actually get hold of Teilo, I think he is very, very helpful. I've managed to speak to him 2 days running now :o
Now you're in contact it will probably be much easier... That certainly seems to be the normal routine ::)
As I'm sure Cliff will agree, if you can be patient and chase him up it's worth it ;) ;D
I know last year when I got the LPG for MV6 he was difficult to get hold of, but this year has been incredibly difficult.
I'll explain a bit more on Saturday... I know why it's been so difficult this time around and should, hopefully, improve in the very near future ;)
He might have mentioned it ::)
Fair enough... Just wasn't going to post it in open forum :y
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Last time I spoke to him was last thursday when I ordered my rear end kit I tried severel times from tues morning through to late thurs I also Emailed him the order on Wed and finally managed to reach him late Thurs when he told me I should have my order delivered on Mon. From now on I think I'll use the Email facility seems the best bet :y
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Last time I spoke to him was last thursday when I ordered my rear end kit I tried severel times from tues morning through to late thurs I also Emailed him the order on Wed and finally managed to reach him late Thurs when he told me I should have my order delivered on Mon. From now on I think I'll use the Email facility seems the best bet :y
Only if he hasn't been out of the country... If he's been away for a few days he says he has something ITRO 500 emails/day to trawl through so can take up to a week to respond ;)
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Last time I spoke to him was last thursday when I ordered my rear end kit I tried severel times from tues morning through to late thurs I also Emailed him the order on Wed and finally managed to reach him late Thurs when he told me I should have my order delivered on Mon. From now on I think I'll use the Email facility seems the best bet :y
Only if he hasn't been out of the country... If he's been away for a few days he says he has something ITRO 500 emails/day to trawl through so can take up to a week to respond ;)
I said last year & still say he needs to delegate to someone who knows the 'hands on' side of the business & is dedicated to serving the immediate needs of both past & present customers. He must have lost as much business as he has gained because of the difficulty in getting hold of him? He is a really nice bloke & quick off the mark when he has the time to deal with you, & he deserves to become a big player in the LPG retail/supply sector, but he will find it difficult unless he resolves this basic but essential issue of contact. :y
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with regards to my original post, ive had a reply from 1 company with a price of £1200 inc vat, they do remove the inlet manifold (which was a question i was told to ask), says they have done many omega conversions and that it is registered with the relevant bodies but no certificate is issued as he claims this is no longer done.
they also say their prices are lower than many others as they are distributors of OSCAR-N (multipoint sequential) systems in the UK so they get them straight from the factory. they say the conversion takes min 3 days.
Still unsure about this as an earlier reply to my post said that you can pick up a system for a lot cheaper than ive been quoted.
Is there anyone on the forum that is qualified to fit the conversions and do they do them frequently and for how much?
Thanks :y