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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: henri on 28 February 2011, 16:48:01
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Hi guys
Need to do my cam cover gaskets shortly.have seen a kit advertised by Vauxworld on Ebay states it is Opel/Vauxhall part any comments . :-/ :-/
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Do you have the listing number so others members can give a second opinion,if you are still not sure AndyC one of the members on here can get genuine parts for you as he works at a Vauxhall dealership.
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Whatever you do, DO NOT BUY aftermarket gaskets. Buy genuine gaskets only. They are more expensive but they won't fail 5 minutes later like the cheaper one's will!! IMO :y
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-OMEGA-SAAB-V6-CAM-ROCKER-COVER-GASKET-SET-NEW-/370107027655?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item562c1910c7#ht_1288wt_906This is the link hope this will help cheers :y
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Not genuine at that price
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I believe someone on here fitted them last year...
... For about 3 months ;) ;)
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Not genuine at that price
Second time today that I agree with RobG,they are probably made of chocoalte,genuine gaskets cost more than that,but as BlackViper90210 says don't waste your money on something that you are going to regret and replace.
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Thanks a lot guys when I do the job I dont want to be throwing money down the drain will have to\ wait a little longer to do it, as a pensioner my miggy is my little luxury and will contact Andyc when Im ready to commence
thanks for all the advice :y :y :y
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Henri, I just done my cam gaskets and i bought the genuine Elring ones Vaux world do which are just over £12 per side. Elring Manufacture for Vauxhall. If you ask them they will include the 16 orings at a cost of £2.88. Vauxhall charge £32 per side for the cam gaskets.
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Henri, I just done my cam gaskets and i bought the genuine Elring ones Vaux world do which are just over £12 per side. Elring Manufacture for Vauxhall. If you ask them they will include the 16 orings at a cost of £2.88. Vauxhall charge £32 per side for the cam gaskets.
unfortunately elring do supply vauxhall, but not with cam cover gaskets, and they are one of the makes KNOWN to last a matter of months.
Sorry.
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Perhaps some more experienced folk could confirm this, but isn't it simply the case that no-one sells genuine Vauxhall camcover gaskets except Vauxhall dealerships?
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Well Gates manufacture the auxillery belts for vauxhall. The only difference is for vauxhall they stamp GM on them.
The Elring gaskets i bought are made in Russelsheim where my car was made. They looked identical to the ones i took out.
Vauxhall make very little parts themselves and therefore source parts elsewhere and have GM stamped on them. If Elring dont make them then who does?
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Well Gates manufacture the auxillery belts for vauxhall. The only difference is for vauxhall they stamp GM on them.
The Elring gaskets i bought are made in Russelsheim where my car was made. They looked identical to the ones i took out.
Chalk and Cheese, some pattern parts are identical and perfect, others are not. Not many on here use genuine cambelt kits as you mention, as gates / contitech are no different but a lot cheaper. Wishbones, cam cover gastets, are a different story.
Ive no wish to argue, just pointing out about 5 years of combined forum experience.
I really am not wishing a fail on you, but if after a few months, you start to smell burning oil etc, remember this thread and bear it in mind when you have to do the job again.
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Well Gates manufacture the auxillery belts for vauxhall. The only difference is for vauxhall they stamp GM on them.
The Elring gaskets i bought are made in Russelsheim where my car was made. They looked identical to the ones i took out.
Vauxhall make very little parts themselves and therefore source parts elsewhere and have GM stamped on them. If Elring dont make them then who does?
The genuine artical is made by Greiner, Elrig are poor quality copies im affraid :(
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I'm pretty sure this seller in the link you posted was also selling original gaskets for migs (with a bigger price tag) so send him a question.
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wow I think we now have a definitive answer to the cam cover gasket issue and I will definitely be buying the genuine product.
It just shows what a great forum this is and the level of interest in sorting problems of all kinds.Keep up the excellent work guys,since I joined this forum I've completed cambelt change (welung 666) oilchanges(3) Transmisssion oil change,Wishbones,drop links, tie rods, camber/tracking, rear shockers, Tow bar and electrics,front discs, cracking door problem,courtesy light bulb change,key fob repair,all made so easy with the how to do its and the help from enthusiasts all over the country and beyond. Sorry to go on but I'm sure I'm not the only grateful owner on this site :y :y :y
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wow I think we now have a definitive answer to the cam cover gasket issue and I will definitely be buying the genuine product.
It just shows what a great forum this is and the level of interest in sorting problems of all kinds.Keep up the excellent work guys,since I joined this forum I've completed cambelt change (welung 666) oilchanges(3) Transmisssion oil change,Wishbones,drop links, tie rods, camber/tracking, rear shockers, Tow bar and electrics,front discs, cracking door problem,courtesy light bulb change,key fob repair,all made so easy with the how to do its and the help from enthusiasts all over the country and beyond. Sorry to go on but I'm sure I'm not the only grateful owner on this site :y :y :y
You're dead right there Henri, my 200k+ Miggy would have ended up in great Omega resting place in the sky long ago if it wasn't for the help and advice I've received from this forum! :y :y :y
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Hi Chaps, Following being advised by a few members that the Elring gaskets i fitted would not last and were not as good as genuine Vauxhall ones at £32 per side i decided to contact Elring. Carmen at Elring has just sent me an email advising that their Gaskets for the V6 omega are sourced by them from a company called Kaco who are the OE supplier to Vauxhall/Opel. Carmen further advises that if i had therefore bought from GM they would have been exactly the same gaskets.
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Well done for doing the research, but they're saying pretty much what you'd expect them to say, aren't they?
They're not very likely to say "Oh, no, they're different and inferior to what Vx sell"
Would be interesting to get andyc's input, but he's probably not able to comment much without compromising his job.
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interesting.....especially since they have proved not to last in the past.
keep us posted on how yours do :y
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I think I bought a set of these about 2 years ago - they are now starting to leak, have done approx 20k miles - I suppose thats not bad for a cheapy set.
I distinctly remember the 2 halves of the gasket were joined together so had to cut them with a pair of scissors whereas the genuine ones (which I have now bought) are 2 seperate bits .................so if the ones you buy are joined together they are not genuine ones but most likely pattern.
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All i'll say on the matter is you get what you pay for.
Make sure you read webb sites T&C's (small print) very carfully as some are worded cleverley
I'll alway try and help members out as best as possible on prices but sometimes its not possible.
Andy
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Hi
Just received this email from autovaux told them I was not interested in after market products,only genuine VX
Message read "Can supply GM parts as req.
Rocker G.905111451 £17.72+Vat
O Ring 90411826 12p ea+Vat
gasket 90501652 £8.83 ea+Vat
Gasket 90501653 7.32 ea+Vat
Gasket 9118135 £8.07 +Vat
Sealant black £5.52 +Vat
Autovaux do state in their small print that where any component is not a genuine VX part the number is suffixed with an N
Tel No. 01924 376003 ref for my enq. 37666 perhaps if anyone interested could call and perhaps verify the quote and post back here. It will save me a call from france :y
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Better put a stop on my next order of gaskets as i don't want to get stuck with obsolet stock, thoses prices are less than what we buy for and i would say less the what GM buy at
Less us know when they turn up what packet they are in just out of interest you understand
Cheers
Andy
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Any ideas on delivery for my cambelt kit andy? ;)
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Just about to email you, sorry must stop reading forums when theres work to be done.
E-mail on its way
Andy
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Just about to email you, sorry must stop reading forums when theres work to be done.
I'm guilty as charged ;D
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Better put a stop on my next order of gaskets as i don't want to get stuck with obsolet stock, thoses prices are less than what we buy for and i would say less the what GM buy at
Less us know when they turn up what packet they are in just out of interest you understand
Cheers
Andy
Make sure you've got one set on the shelf because mine are not long to this world and I know where I'll be buying the replacements. ;)
Kevin
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You pay your money and you take your chances. I personally will not fit any gaskets that haven't come from across a Vauxhall dealers counter.
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MF, No cutting of my gaskets as my car's gasket is all one piece. New engine was fitted by Vauxhall in 2004. I believe the newer engines are one piece.
If yours lasted 20,000 miles and i only do 3-5k per year i will have at least 4 yrs driving. lol ;D
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MF, No cutting of my gaskets as my car's gasket is all one piece. New engine was fitted by Vauxhall in 2004. I believe the newer engines are one piece.
If yours lasted 20,000 miles and i only do 3-5k per year i will have at least 4 yrs driving. lol ;D
I, too, would have gone down the cheapskate route if the gaskets weren't a pita to fit (n/s being the worst).
I wouldn't rely on them lasting 4yrs as mine only lasted just over 2yrs - it's an ageism thing ............they go harder with age (Ooooer shouldn't have said that ::)) :y
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Just because something is made by the same company, does not mean it is made to the same specifications. The die may be the same, but the compound of rubber poured may be altered to lower the price.
The forum "experience" seems to show that VX gaskets last .. those purchased elsewhere don't...regardless of the name on the packet ...
So... VX only for me everytime .. when it comes to cam cover gaskets.....:)
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Genuine only. Sorry.
Autovaux rarely supply genuine, no matter what they say on phone
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Better put a stop on my next order of gaskets as i don't want to get stuck with obsolet stock, thoses prices are less than what we buy for and i would say less the what GM buy at
Less us know when they turn up what packet they are in just out of interest you understand
Cheers
Andy
Make sure you've got one set on the shelf because mine are not long to this world and I know where I'll be buying the replacements. ;)
Kevin
Make that 2 sets... Mine are weeping and will be replaced in the near future :y
The last set of genuine ones have done 70k though so I can't complain :y
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Selling them as genuine is one thing but the experience of OOF members who experience the quality difference between genuine and non is invaluable. I took the advise myself having Genuine Vx Cam Cover Gaskets Fitted last week and knowing i dont need to 'keep an eye on them' :y
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Better put a stop on my next order of gaskets as i don't want to get stuck with obsolet stock, thoses prices are less than what we buy for and i would say less the what GM buy at
Less us know when they turn up what packet they are in just out of interest you understand
Cheers
Andy
Make sure you've got one set on the shelf because mine are not long to this world and I know where I'll be buying the replacements. ;)
Kevin
Make that 2 sets... Mine are weeping and will be replaced in the near future :y
The last set of genuine ones have done 70k though so I can't complain :y
Yep. Mine are presumed original, and have done 112K (70k in my ownership, at least).
Kevin
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Hi Chaps, Hate to admit defeat here but the Elring cam seals i fitted just over 2 weeks ago are leaking already.
Spoke to Vaux World who say they are top notch and failure must be either due to cam cover warp or blocked breathers. I advised him the breathers were cleaned out when gaskets were fitted and surely if the cam covers were warped they would have leaked immediatly and not 2 weeks later.
Any comments greatly appreciated.
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Thanks for popping back with the update, but assuming fitted and torqued correctly, and that the covers are flat (easy enough to prove when you take em off), then its as was suggested, time to take your loss and buy genuine :'(
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Yes torqued to 8nm. When off i put them on a level surface and they looked ok to me. Surely if they were warped they would have leaked from day one and not 2 weeks later?
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The warping thing is a myth started by mechanics as an excuse for using shoddy parts.
Of course, if they were warped when you changed them, they would leak straight away. Sounds like they are fitted correctly, so that rules out warpage since replacement.
Sorry, its just poor quality cam cover gaskets - certainly not the first set of Omega Elring cam cover gaskets we've seen fail prematurely
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But 2 weeks is wild premature. So warping of the covers does not exist?
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But 2 weeks is wild premature. So warping of the covers does not exist?
I guess its always possible, esp if badly fitted. But I've never seen one. I've never even heard of a genuine case. The only damage I've ever seen is chips in the edges.
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Have asked VauxWorld for a full refund of gaskets but that will not help me when spending hours doing the job all over again :'(
Lesson learned
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But 2 weeks is wild premature. So warping of the covers does not exist?
I guess its always possible, esp if badly fitted. But I've never seen one. I've never even heard of a genuine case. The only damage I've ever seen is chips in the edges.
I remember someone posting pictures of a set of cam covers where the sides were about as straight as a dogs hind leg, not so long ago.. can't find 'em now, of course :)
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My covers sat perfectly flat on my kitchen table.
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mine were badly warped at one point. as seen by Mark :y
Even a spell in Mrs Mark's oven couldnt straighten em ::)
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mine were badly warped at one point. as seen by Mark :y
Even a spell in Mrs Mark's oven couldnt straighten em ::)
Mrs DTM does not know how to use that particular White Appliance :-X ;D
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took car to vauxhall today and they said they have seen this many times before when customers use after market gaskets. He agreed that if the covers were warped then leak would have happened immediately not 2 weeks later.
Asked Vaux World for a refund on gaskets but they are keeping radio silence.
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You wont find anybody on here suprised at that.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)