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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Entwood on 02 April 2011, 12:53:44
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As some will know ... I mullered the ABS sensor when changing the wheel bearing .. :(
I have now got a complete hub unit thingy with fitted sensor for £15 ... do I....
a) Try and remove the ABS sensor. I'm told that they break very easily.
b) Fit the whole hub thingy as is and keep the new hub/bearing I've just fitted as a "future spare"
c) Fit the hub thingy but then change the hub/bearing for the new one - making sure I DON'T damage the ABS sensor this time.
If a) .. any advice on how to remove without breaking it.
If b) or c) will it need geometry resetting as a large amount of things affecting the steering will have been disturbed.
I'm sorely tempted to try a) and if I do break it :( RobG tells me he has a replacement unit I can buy to then do b) or c).
There is also the possibility that Pete managed to get one out intact .. but not heard from him ...
decisions.. decisions ... :(
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How much is a new sensor if you try A and things go wrong?
If it's expensive then B (if the bearing seems ok) or C
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I am a coward so would try the easiest fix first and go from there....no point ending up doing all that work again imho
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How much is a new sensor if you try A and things go wrong?
If it's expensive then B (if the bearing seems ok) or C
New sensor not available at all .. Andy C tells me there is a "major back order" :(
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I would think that option B is the reasonable way forward (assuming that the bearing warrants it).
Should the bearing be suspect then you can replace it with the new one as you probably know what to look out for now.
Can't offer comment on changing the sensor as I've never done it but I would think that a geometry check (for the car) would be sensible given your tortuous experience.
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As some will know ... I mullered the ABS sensor when changing the wheel bearing .. :(
I have now got a complete hub unit thingy with fitted sensor for £15 ... do I....
a) Try and remove the ABS sensor. I'm told that they break very easily.
b) Fit the whole hub thingy as is and keep the new hub/bearing I've just fitted as a "future spare"
c) Fit the hub thingy but then change the hub/bearing for the new one - making sure I DON'T damage the ABS sensor this time.
If a) .. any advice on how to remove without breaking it.
If b) or c) will it need geometry resetting as a large amount of things affecting the steering will have been disturbed.
I'm sorely tempted to try a) and if I do break it :( RobG tells me he has a replacement unit I can buy to then do b) or c).
There is also the possibility that Pete managed to get one out intact .. but not heard from him ...
decisions.. decisions ... :(
Not me Nige :-?......90% of sensors will break when being removed
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As some will know ... I mullered the ABS sensor when changing the wheel bearing .. :(
I have now got a complete hub unit thingy with fitted sensor for £15 ... do I....
a) Try and remove the ABS sensor. I'm told that they break very easily.
b) Fit the whole hub thingy as is and keep the new hub/bearing I've just fitted as a "future spare"
c) Fit the hub thingy but then change the hub/bearing for the new one - making sure I DON'T damage the ABS sensor this time.
If a) .. any advice on how to remove without breaking it.
If b) or c) will it need geometry resetting as a large amount of things affecting the steering will have been disturbed.
I'm sorely tempted to try a) and if I do break it :( RobG tells me he has a replacement unit I can buy to then do b) or c).
There is also the possibility that Pete managed to get one out intact .. but not heard from him ...
decisions.. decisions ... :(
Not me Nige :-?......90% of sensors will break when being removed
Sorry Wrong RobG .. robg1984 has a spare "complete" unit ...
I think I'll attempt removal of the ABS sensor from this unit .. and if I screw it up .. I'll contact robg1984 and get the complete unit from him .. :)
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As some will know ... I mullered the ABS sensor when changing the wheel bearing .. :(
I have now got a complete hub unit thingy with fitted sensor for £15 ... do I....
a) Try and remove the ABS sensor. I'm told that they break very easily.
b) Fit the whole hub thingy as is and keep the new hub/bearing I've just fitted as a "future spare"
c) Fit the hub thingy but then change the hub/bearing for the new one - making sure I DON'T damage the ABS sensor this time.
If a) .. any advice on how to remove without breaking it.
If b) or c) will it need geometry resetting as a large amount of things affecting the steering will have been disturbed.
I'm sorely tempted to try a) and if I do break it :( RobG tells me he has a replacement unit I can buy to then do b) or c).
There is also the possibility that Pete managed to get one out intact .. but not heard from him ...
decisions.. decisions ... :(
Not me Nige :-?......90% of sensors will break when being removed
Sorry Wrong RobG .. robg1984 has a spare "complete" unit ...
I think I'll attempt removal of the ABS sensor from this unit .. and if I screw it up .. I'll contact robg1984 and get the complete unit from him .. :)
Getting old Nige ;D ;D
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What about a new one? :-/
Looking on Trade Club site I think that these are them ...... :-/
Omega Part Number Retail Price Normal Trade Trade Club
Axle speed sensors
Front axle 90509421 £62.00 £55.80 £45.84
Rear axle 90510494 £53.50 £48.15 £39.66
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What about a new one? :-/
Looking on Trade Club site I think that these are them ...... :-/
Omega Part Number Retail Price Normal Trade Trade Club
Axle speed sensors
Front axle 90509421 £62.00 £55.80 £45.84
Rear axle 90510494 £53.50 £48.15 £39.66
I PM'd Andy C and he told me there are none available .. on back order .. or I'd have already ordered one .. :(
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What about a new one? :-/
Looking on Trade Club site I think that these are them ...... :-/
Omega Part Number Retail Price Normal Trade Trade Club
Axle speed sensors
Front axle 90509421 £62.00 £55.80 £45.84
Rear axle 90510494 £53.50 £48.15 £39.66
I PM'd Andy C and he told me there are none available .. on back order .. or I'd have already oredered one .. :(
I thought there must've been a reason .... :y :y
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Tried removing the sensor from the hub I bought .. failed miserably .. :(
Have had 2 sources offering replacement hub .. so hopefully will be able to do a hub change next weekend.
Jury is out on if a geometry check is required after this work ... a LOT of bolts and the ball joint have to be undone .. :(
EDIT ..
Found this link on t'internet ... anyone ever heard of them ?? Sent an email but don't expect an wanswer until late Monday at the earliest ..
http://www.genuinepartsearch.co.uk/vauxhall-parts-stock-list.aspx?page=183
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You will have to have the geometry done. The fact that your undoing the shock bolts will throw the camber out and chances are the toe angle will be affected aswell.
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You will have to have the geometry done. The fact that your undoing the shock bolts will throw the camber out and chances are the toe angle will be affected aswell.
That was my thought, but others disagreed .. :( really wish I could get just a sensor ... would save a lot of hassle and cost .. :(
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You will have to have the geometry done. The fact that your undoing the shock bolts will throw the camber out and chances are the toe angle will be affected aswell.
Agreed. :y
It's the Mc'p strut to hub carrier bolts that set the camber, and they'll have to come off so it will certainly need setting up afterwards.
Kevin
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You will have to have the geometry done. The fact that your undoing the shock bolts will throw the camber out and chances are the toe angle will be affected aswell.
Agreed. :y
It's the Mc'p strut to hub carrier bolts that set the camber, and they'll have to come off so it will certainly need setting up afterwards.
Kevin
Aaeye, no way round that one. If you have to replace the stub axle complete with sensor, see the guide for replicating the camber setting, and take some measurements prior to dismantling... IMO.
Should be able to get it cock on on re assembly. :y
Shout if you need a hand.
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I've got a few folks trying to sort out just a sensor .. with any luck one will be lucky !!! Also trying a few t'internet options .. I'd far sooner stick in a new sensor than change the whole hub .. :(
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I've found a place .. in the States .. that might have one ... AC Delco part number and GM part numbers are the same as Vx part numbers ....and it lists it as a speed sensor for the catera ... what do folks reckon the chances of it being the right one are .... :(
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/90509421-ACDelco-SENSOR-/280606874068?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41557919d4
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Personally I'd be looking to just change the sensor... Have you tried some motor factors? Sure there must be a sensor in stock somewhere... I'll have a hunt for the place I've used in the past for good quality sensors
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angle grind hub through to near sensor, and cut it out, that would be the way I would try given my previous attempt...
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Been giving this some serious thought .. and have reached the following conclusions...
a) Replacement used hub with ABS sensor pre-fitted :
Condition of sensor - unknown
Condition of bearing - unknown
6 hours to remove old and fit replacement
Full geometry required
Purchase of ball joint splitter required
Costs - £20 for hub, £80 for geometry = £100 + splitter + 6 hours work
b) Purchase used hub and angle grind the sensor out :
Condition of sensor - unknown
Condition of bearing - new
2 hours to cut out
1 hour to remove old senor and fit new
Costs - £20 for hub + 3 hours
c) Purchase new sensor from States if Andy C confirms it is correct, they have one, and they are willing to ship to UK
Condition of sensor - brand new
Condition of bearing - new
1 hour to smack out old sensor and fit new
Costs £70 including postage
I'm strongly coming down in favour of C then B .... anyone any other thoughts ???
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I have a splitter nige :y
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I have a splitter nige :y
Thanks for that Joff .. but there's still the cost of the Alignement, the fuel to get there .. and the time/inconvenience... methinks option A wil remain the last one ... :(
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Been giving this some serious thought .. and have reached the following conclusions...
Considering the amount of grief you've had up to the moment Nige 'C' is the only way to go in my view.
Sometimes things can be fiddled about with too much.
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get another hub with sensor fitted as you say condition unknown, however they rarely go wrong so fairly safe then get a bucket of diesel and drop the whole hub in it,after cleaning carefully round the sensor to remove any muck and dirt etc,every day gove the sensor a tweek to try and turn it a little!! a few days to a week later the sensor will come out without damage
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get another hub with sensor fitted as you say condition unknown, however they rarely go wrong so fairly safe then get a bucket of diesel and drop the whole hub in it,after cleaning carefully round the sensor to remove any muck and dirt etc,every day gove the sensor a tweek to try and turn it a little!! a few days to a week later the sensor will come out without damage
Thats worth a try ... :) Thanks :)
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Problem may have been solved by that very nice Elite Pete chap.
He has just informed me he has succesfully removed one from a car he is breaking and having paypal'd him a suitable remuneration it should be on its way to me via the Mail Coach tomorrow.
Many thanks to all who have offered advice and ideas, much appreciated.
News will follow on Thursday (if its dry) as to my competence (or not) in fitting it without breaking anything else !!!!
OOF rules :)
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good luck with it, last time i fitted any i put a good bit of copperslip around it so it made life easier if it needed to come out again. :y
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A few days ago I posted a link to a possible sensor from the states ... AndyC is not certain it is the right one, and Pete (and Daz) have managed to remove one from a hub for me ... so I don't need the USA one ... but have just recieved an email from them regarding supply ....
"Dear E,
Shipping this item to UK would be $88.25USD in addition to the
cost of the product. We currently only have one available. You may add $88.25 to the shipping charge in paypal. You MUST also provide a phone number in the notes section of the paypal payment. UPS requires a phone number for all international shipments.
-acdelco-parts-depot"
so $97 for the part $88 for delivery !!!!!! OUCH !!!!
Even more cause to thank Pete & Daz !!!!
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Could always be a last resort if needed though. :)
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I got i pitman puller delivered from the states for $13 and it was heavy,i wouldnt have minded but the thing was no good.there is a repair kit for the sensor that may be some good(as i dont know the damage to yours) on carparts conextions for a £10 as a plan b so to speak :y
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All now sorted .. replacement sensor courtesy of Elite Pete .. fitted and working nicely .. no lights TC and ABS both checked as working .. :)
Please read here ...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1302190608
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Splendid news. 8-) :y
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Glad it's all sorted Nige :y :y