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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: footloose on 10 May 2011, 19:30:59
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Hi, I'm looking to buy another Omega. My last one was a bit of a nightmare due to changing just about every damn sensor on it just to find out that it was the gearbox at fault from the beginning, probably the thrust bearing. which i had mentioned to me but refused to believe. anyway the old bus has gone and i am missing the omega badly.At present i am driving a motorised rollerskate called a vectra. Sorry lads but i'm not impressed. anyway to get to what i need to know is which is less problematic the auto or the manual gearbox. I am a bit wary of the auto after my last experience. maybe it was just one out of a lot that gives grief or is it commonplace.
Would appreciate a bit of advice. :-/ :( :-/ :-/
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TBH, if maintained properly then there's nothing in it :y :y
[edit]My 99 Saloon is for sale (in the correct section) and at 174k it's still smooth :y[/edit]
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manual.. it gives more control .. consumes less fuel..
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autos, brilliant :y
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Auto for comfort crusing
Man if you want to impress at the lights!
Me personally Auto.. :y :y
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Manual for me :y
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Auto for comfort crusing
Man if you want to impress at the lights!
Me personally Auto.. :y :y
I'd dare say from a rolling start an auto would be faster
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<start omega analysis program>
INPUT No of pedals
INPUT No of legs
IF
No of legs = no of pedals
THEN
Result = Good
ELSE
IF
No of legs < no of pedals
THEN
Result = Bad
END
PRINT result
END
<end omega analysis program>
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Auto for me every time, both of mine are. Don't get me wrong I like the control with a manual and they can be great fun but I get so bored at having to press the clutch pedal every time!
Autos are great for motorway cruising especially with cruise control, they may be slightly less economical but if we are talking low 20s anyway you are skint already. :y
Also great for getting around when you have bust your left ankle (yes, I did check with my doc and insurance). :y
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<start omega analysis program>
INPUT No of pedals
INPUT No of legs
IF
No of legs = no of pedals
THEN
Result = Good
ELSE
IF
No of legs < no of pedals
THEN
Result = Bad
END
PRINT result
END
<end omega analysis program>
:D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y
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Plenty of auto and manual zealots on here....if you are asking the question then I'd lean towards manual 'cos I'm a skinflint and they are cheaper to run, on t'other hand I can easily accept an auto' suits the car better, especially for the V6s.
Since I get the feeling you are not that bothered I'd suggest you go for the best car you can find and not worry too much about the pedal count (don't really need the clutch much once you're moving anyway :) :))
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I've always had manuals in the past but I love the auto on mine, suits the car well. There's no right or wrong, it's all down to personal taste :y
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<start omega analysis program>
INPUT No of pedals
INPUT No of legs
IF
No of legs = no of pedals
THEN
Result = Good
ELSE
IF
No of legs < no of pedals
THEN
Result = Bad
END
PRINT result
END
<end omega analysis program>
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
:y :y :y
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Auto for comfort crusing
Man if you want to impress at the lights!
Me personally Auto.. :y :y
I'd dare say from a rolling start an auto would be faster
from what speed ? autobox locks up at 80 km/h.. you need to start above it ;D :D
from a standing start manuals always faster..
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OK, personal preference is for an Auto... The Omega manual box isn't the best in terms of throw etc...
Some cars suit an Auto box, some don't... The Omega definitely does :y
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OK, personal preference is for an Auto... The Omega manual box isn't the best in terms of throw etc...
Some cars suit an Auto box, some don't... The Omega definitely does :y
I agree,I'm not a lover of the omega manual box either although in most cars I do prefer a manual cog swapper :y
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My old 2.5 was an auto and while I liked the convenience I felt the ratios were poorly chosen (for UK roads) and strangled the engine. I definately prefer the manual I have now! However a modern 6 or 7 (or 8!) speed auto fitted to an omega would be a different story...
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Having had both, I prefer the manual...but then I like to be in control and use my intelligence to decide what gear to use and not some naff old 8 bit micro.
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....but then I like to be in control and ......
Only a matter of time on any auto vs manual thread before that old chestnut appears. ::) ::)
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....but then I like to be in control and ......
Only a matter of time on any auto vs manual thread before that old chestnut appears. ::) ::)
Yep... But you can still decide what gear you want to use in an auto too ::) ::)
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Hi, I'm looking to buy another Omega. My last one was a bit of a nightmare due to changing just about every damn sensor on it just to find out that it was the gearbox at fault from the beginning, probably the thrust bearing. which i had mentioned to me but refused to believe. anyway the old bus has gone and i am missing the omega badly.At present i am driving a motorised rollerskate called a vectra. Sorry lads but i'm not impressed. anyway to get to what i need to know is which is less problematic the auto or the manual gearbox. I am a bit wary of the auto after my last experience. maybe it was just one out of a lot that gives grief or is it commonplace.
Would appreciate a bit of advice. :-/ :( :-/ :-/
Manuals still have issues with dual mass fly wheel(£££), clutch wear and need the box oil changed, as they do. We don't see many manual box threads on here I suppose, but then there are relatively few manual omegas about. I find the travel on the gear lever sloppy and excessive, and the ones I've driven the clutch bites right at the top of it's travel which I find irritating as I like to keep my heal on the floor rather than bang my knee off the dash every time, so to speak.
Not sure if the autos thrust washer issue was a problem on early models? And theres servicing the ATF to consider every 60k odd. Other than that just press the pedal and away you go. Big heavy car like the omega I really don't miss the manual box at all, ESP in the south and all the traffic round here. Although take up from brakes to throttle at the apex is a bit poor when cracking on it has to be said. Plus if the worst happens Ar35's on here go for 50 to a100 at most, with 4 hours labour at £50 an hour with my man round the corner it's not the end of the world.
How much to replace a dmf? Thrust washer is no biggy to fix tbh.
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Hi, I'm looking to buy another Omega. My last one was a bit of a nightmare due to changing just about every damn sensor on it just to find out that it was the gearbox at fault from the beginning, probably the thrust bearing. which i had mentioned to me but refused to believe. anyway the old bus has gone and i am missing the omega badly.At present i am driving a motorised rollerskate called a vectra. Sorry lads but i'm not impressed. anyway to get to what i need to know is which is less problematic the auto or the manual gearbox. I am a bit wary of the auto after my last experience. maybe it was just one out of a lot that gives grief or is it commonplace.
Would appreciate a bit of advice. :-/ :( :-/ :-/
Manuals still have issues with dual mass fly wheel(£££), clutch wear and need the box oil changed, as they do. We don't see many manual box threads on here I suppose, but then there are relatively few manual omegas about. I find the travel on the gear lever sloppy and excessive, and the ones I've driven the clutch bites right at the top of it's travel which I find irritating as I like to keep my heal on the floor rather than bang my knee off the dash every time, so to speak.
Not sure if the autos thrust washer issue was a problem on early models? And theres servicing the ATF to consider every 60k odd. Other than that just press the pedal and away you go. Big heavy car like the omega I really don't miss the manual box at all, ESP in the south and all the traffic round here. Although take up from brakes to throttle at the apex is a bit poor when cracking on it has to be said. Plus if the worst happens Ar35's on here go for 50 to a100 at most, with 4 hours labour at £50 an hour with my man round the corner it's not the end of the world.
How much to replace a dmf? Thrust washer is no biggy to fix tbh.
We dont see many manual box threads because they dont suffer many issues.
Like the auto box they are supposed to be 'sealed for life' of course, just like the Autos, a fluid change is a very worth while activity (and easy, quick and cheap....unlike the autos ;D).
DMF's are a VERY rare failure on the Omega, I have only ever seen them on the diesels (and even then its not a common occurance).
The clutches are huge and mega thick, they easily see 100K plus miles on the diesels with 200K+ on the petrols but, that is always going to be dependent on the driver!
And on the Auto's, the thrust washer was never fixed, its an issue they all have.
So reliability wise, its no contest. :y
Reality is, its all down to what you prefer. I like to be in control and like to push them hard on rare occasions and hence its a manual all the way for me (as the Auto does not allow you to shift effectively even in manual mode) :y
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....but then I like to be in control and ......
Only a matter of time on any auto vs manual thread before that old chestnut appears. ::) ::)
Yep... But you can still decide what gear you want to use in an auto too ::) ::)
Yes, and it decides when its going to let you have it! ;D
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DMF's are a VERY rare failure on the Omega, ....
Local dealer said that the Po-lis managed to bugger them up quite easily.
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DMF's are a VERY rare failure on the Omega, ....
Local dealer said that the Po-lis managed to bugger them up quite easily.
Rumours are no grounds for fact.....
Imagine how often they would have got through autoboxes then ;D :y
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Rumours are no grounds for fact.....
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Rumour? :-? :-? Fact was that the lad in the parts dept said that he supplied the work shop loads of DMF for plod Omegas ............ where does rumour come into it?
You can't just drop the clutch in an auto so they might have lasted longer or they might not. Plenty of auto white plod around to check up on.
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Rumours are no grounds for fact.....
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Rumour? :-? :-? Fact was that the lad in the parts dept said that he supplied the work shop loads of DMF for plod Omegas ............ where does rumour come into it?
You can't just drop the clutch in an auto so they might have lasted longer or they might not. Plenty of auto white plod around to check up on.
Because its come from a Vx dealer and they would not know the difference between an Omega, Vectra, Astra flywheel.
I know my contact used to maintain a lot of Leicestershire vehicles and never did anything relating to manual transmissions (or Autos but then they only had 1 auto in the force).
I do know that my ex-plod estate on 70K miles had a goosed thrust washer and brake band.
And we all now the auto weaknesses
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autos suit relaxed driving better which is what the omega was designed for
manuals are stronger internals but can be quite obstrutive to use
ehd of the day you pays your money and takes your chiose
personally i prefer autos and ive never had a problem on the 5 omegas ive had with auots
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Because its come from a Vx dealer and they would not know the difference between an Omega, Vectra, Astra flywheel. ....
As inept as some workshops are, I reckon they'd know the difference when they tried to fit a solid Astra flywheel to a V6 Omega ;) ;)
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Quite a common topic on here and as always, it's purely a matter of preference. I like auto when in heavy traffic or motorway jams but prefer manual for all other driving situations. My auto really pee's me of when it changes down a gear for absolutley no reason other than slight alterations in the road - either very slightly up or downhill (usually between 30-45mph). Also less control if driving spiritedly and lower mpg.
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First auto box I've ever owned and I love it...only thing is.."why is the bloody stick so soddin big and ugly" ?
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a simple manual is faster than even a smg, dsg whatever name they have..no debate here..
example : an older model 328 manual beats 330 tiptro hands down even with missing 38 hp ;D ;D
and I dont mention details ;D that autobox specialists want your arm and leg(s) even for a small repair in countries where second hand autoboxes are rare..
ps: only exception is the launch programs in some very expensive cars that the upshifts are done in miliseconds as far as I know
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Best quote ve ever come across!!
"auto,s are for people who cannot master foot and hand coordination while concentrating on controlling the vehicle
generally preferred by women drivers"
;D ;D ;D
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The Omega is a relatively big, mile-munching cruiser. It is not designed to be thrown around B roads at break-neck speeds. When you consider what it was designed for it is easy to understand why it is piss-poor at fast cornering, even in MV6 spec. (I'll get slated for that comment, but the vast majority would probably agree).
The Auto Transmission fitted to the Omega is quite competent and definitely one of the better boxes of it's time. The only thing which annoys me is how (on later ECU updates) the transmission will change up too soon under 'careful' acceleration. I find myself progressively pushing the throttle to compensate which uses even more fuel than it would if it held onto the gears slightly longer (as in the old ECU software versions).
I dont know if you are asking for personal opinion, but if so..... With the Omega and a V6 engine, I'd have the Auto over a Manual because it's just how it was designed and it ticks all the boxes because of that.
Regards.... A person who generally prefers Manual Transmissions.
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in todays traffic on our roads why the hell would you want to be up and down on a clutch,when i had my v6 i loved pushing that little S button and unleashing the beastbut now i potter about in an auto bighorn diesel and love that too,i personally will never if i can help it go back to manual box
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Count your feet (just in case its not been said) ;D ;D ;D
Prefer a manual and in more control and the usual arguments will always come up but at the end of the day its a big comfy cruiser and what better way to cruise comfortablly than in an auto ::) ::) :y
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Auto for comfort crusing
Man if you want to impress at the lights!
Me personally Auto.. :y :y
I'd dare say from a rolling start an auto would be faster
from what speed ? autobox locks up at 80 km/h.. you need to start above it ;D :D
from a standing start manuals always faster..
no you don't :y
That's why i said from a rolling start! :y
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Auto for comfort crusing
Man if you want to impress at the lights!
Me personally Auto.. :y :y
I'd dare say from a rolling start an auto would be faster
from what speed ? autobox locks up at 80 km/h.. you need to start above it ;D :D
from a standing start manuals always faster..
no you don't :y
That's why i said from a rolling start! :y
Geoff, I reckon from 10-100 an Auto would probably win as well. Not had a hige amount of driving experience in a Manual 3.0, but from what experience I've had, apart from the ability to smash holy hell out of the clutch, there is no advantage IN A STRAIGHT LINE. :y
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Auto for comfort crusing
Man if you want to impress at the lights!
Me personally Auto.. :y :y
I'd dare say from a rolling start an auto would be faster
from what speed ? autobox locks up at 80 km/h.. you need to start above it ;D :D
from a standing start manuals always faster..
no you don't :y
That's why i said from a rolling start! :y
Geoff, I reckon from 10-100 an Auto would probably win as well. Not had a hige amount of driving experience in a Manual 3.0, but from what experience I've had, apart from the ability to smash holy hell out of the clutch, there is no advantage IN A STRAIGHT LINE. :y
Right on BM! As said the manual box is terrible. tha auto seems to be in the power band (or torque band I should say) most of the time. Strangely enough on my two, the multi rams seems much more effective on the auto. I have checked operation of both multi rams on both cars and they're working fine, but once you get to 4k revs in the auto it's away, but below that the torque just propels you aling, whereas the manual you've really got to work the engine and gearbox hard to get it to go anywhere. I'm definitely with you on the 10-100 dash!
When i went to get the mv6 my dad came with me. I drove the elite auto back and he drove the manual mv6. I was in front driving up the m1. Once the slowcoach moved out the way in front, I put my foot down, and the mv6 just couldn't keep up. Yes you could say i had the advantage in the auto as I knew i was going to accelerate, but I still think they're faster.
Autos rule! :y
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Auto for comfort crusing
Man if you want to impress at the lights!
Me personally Auto.. :y :y
I'd dare say from a rolling start an auto would be faster
from what speed ? autobox locks up at 80 km/h.. you need to start above it ;D :D
from a standing start manuals always faster..
no you don't :y
That's why i said from a rolling start! :y
Geoff, I reckon from 10-100 an Auto would probably win as well. Not had a hige amount of driving experience in a Manual 3.0, but from what experience I've had, apart from the ability to smash holy hell out of the clutch, there is no advantage IN A STRAIGHT LINE. :y
Right on BM! As said the manual box is terrible. tha auto seems to be in the power band (or torque band I should say) most of the time. Strangely enough on my two, the multi rams seems much more effective on the auto. I have checked operation of both multi rams on both cars and they're working fine, but once you get to 4k revs in the auto it's away, but below that the torque just propels you aling, whereas the manual you've really got to work the engine and gearbox hard to get it to go anywhere. I'm definitely with you on the 10-100 dash!
When i went to get the mv6 my dad came with me. I drove the elite auto back and he drove the manual mv6. I was in front driving up the m1. Once the slowcoach moved out the way in front, I put my foot down, and the mv6 just couldn't keep up. Yes you could say i had the advantage in the auto as I knew i was going to accelerate, but I still think they're faster.
Autos rule! :y
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just check auto and manual acceleration times..
if you know the term "gearbox lock up", it means that box is in slipping mode until 80 (regardless of rpm)- like you press the clutch pedal (then it works like a manual -after 80 ).. and will you race in that mode :-?
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Auto for comfort crusing
Man if you want to impress at the lights!
Me personally Auto.. :y :y
I'd dare say from a rolling start an auto would be faster
from what speed ? autobox locks up at 80 km/h.. you need to start above it ;D :D
from a standing start manuals always faster..
no you don't :y
That's why i said from a rolling start! :y
Geoff, I reckon from 10-100 an Auto would probably win as well. Not had a hige amount of driving experience in a Manual 3.0, but from what experience I've had, apart from the ability to smash holy hell out of the clutch, there is no advantage IN A STRAIGHT LINE. :y
Right on BM! As said the manual box is terrible. tha auto seems to be in the power band (or torque band I should say) most of the time. Strangely enough on my two, the multi rams seems much more effective on the auto. I have checked operation of both multi rams on both cars and they're working fine, but once you get to 4k revs in the auto it's away, but below that the torque just propels you aling, whereas the manual you've really got to work the engine and gearbox hard to get it to go anywhere. I'm definitely with you on the 10-100 dash!
When i went to get the mv6 my dad came with me. I drove the elite auto back and he drove the manual mv6. I was in front driving up the m1. Once the slowcoach moved out the way in front, I put my foot down, and the mv6 just couldn't keep up. Yes you could say i had the advantage in the auto as I knew i was going to accelerate, but I still think they're faster.
Autos rule! :y
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just check auto and manual acceleration times..
if you know the term "gearbox lock up", it means that box is in slipping mode until 80 (regardless of rpm)- like you press the clutch pedal (then it works like a manual -after 80 ).. and will you race in that mode :-?
thanks for that basic lesson cem! I never knew how a gearbox works! If you read my post I'm talking about a rolling start. My auto locks up well below 50 mph and it will out run my manual easily.
Automatics rule :y
Acceleration times are from 0-60, which is a standing start, not a rolling start, as I was talking about. In any case these figures are useless anyway. Most acceleration in everyday driving is needed from a rolling start anyway, certainly in my experience.
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in todays traffic on our roads why the hell would you want to be up and down on a clutch,when i had my v6 i loved pushing that little S button and unleashing the beastbut now i potter about in an auto bighorn diesel and love that too,i personally will never if i can help it go back to manual box
Ditto in spades :y :y :y
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Personally I prefer manuals and the one in my MV6 is exceptionally sweet. I can`t stand the way an auto box decides to change down or up when you either don`t want or least expect it, and they`re less economical too.
And as for the `how many legs have you got` is the daftest argument for something I`ve ever heard, do you have a keyboard with 10 keys on it?
It`s all down to personal taste and what you want from the car :y
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Personally I prefer manuals and the one in my MV6 is exceptionally sweet. I can`t stand the way an auto box decides to change down or up when you either don`t want or least expect it, and they`re less economical too.
And as for the `how many legs have you got` is the daftest argument for something I`ve ever heard, do you have a keyboard with 10 keys on it?
It`s all down to personal taste and what you want from the car :y
Yes; an African Thumb Piano ;D
(http://www.african-artisans.co.uk/product_images/y/374/thumb_piano_10_key__44883_zoom.jpg)
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Personally I prefer manuals and the one in my MV6 is exceptionally sweet. I can`t stand the way an auto box decides to change down or up when you either don`t want or least expect it, and they`re less economical too.
And as for the `how many legs have you got` is the daftest argument for something I`ve ever heard, do you have a keyboard with 10 keys on it?
It`s all down to personal taste and what you want from the car :y
Almost as daft as 'I like to be in control' . Wow! there must be millions of uncontrolled cars about. :-X
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Auto for trundling along on your commute following all the other traffic while only barely awake: Great.
Auto for city driving: Great.
Auto for motorway cruising: Makes no odds.
Auto for towing: Makes no odds.
Auto while "pressing on" on a twisty B road: Just don't bother. ;D
I find there's really no satisfaction to be had taking corners in a car that insists on freewheeling into the corner and then takes what seems like an age to get the power back on once you decide it's time to accelerate out of the bend.
Quite apart from autos being great because "number of pedals = number of feet", I find myself wanting two right feet so I can brake for the corner while keeping it on the boil with my other right foot so it'll actually go when the time comes.
In a manual it feels so much neater and so much easier to balance the car. Just select the appropriate gear as you're braking into the bend, balance it on the gas on the way round, then hard onto the gas when the time is right and you're off. It's just the way it should be. :y
Shifting an autobox manually and sport mode don't help the above, IMHO. It's got ridiculously widely spaced ratios and it's only vaguely attached to the engine. Let the 8 bit micro drive it. ;D
Having said this, I'm not that enamoured with the Omega manual box either. Much too much throw on the lever, much too much rubber between gear lever and selector forks and ratios a little widely spaced IMHO.
Reliability and maintenance is a good point, of course. Can't really argue about that. Manual wins hands down.
Oh, and as for being out of control: once you know an automatic car it never changes unexpectedly IME.
Kevin
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Auto for me :y :y it suits large cars, a possible exception might be for a small nippy car for country road fun...but not for regular running around town or commuting.......I must be getting old...... ::) ::) ::)
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Auto while "pressing on" on a twisty B road: Just don't bother. ;D ....
and why would you buy a motorway cruiser specifically for twisty B roads? That'd be like buying your Lotus 7/etc and being upset that they were noisy & unforgiving on the motorway.
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If you want to "play on twisty "B" roads with the auto it is exceedingly easy, and great fun ..
Select "S" button to "ON". Place gear selector in position 2.
Drive ....... you now have a 2 geared car.... 1st to 50 ish, 2nd to 80 ish.... and if you want more than 80 your "B" road is not twisty enough.
Easily quick enough to take on most boy-racers ... :)
***Disclaimer***
Don't look at the fuel consumption data whilst doing this ... it is likely to cause consternation !!!!
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defo auto,less stress...
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Man (and wo-man :D) make machines to make life easier!
Automatics rule!
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definitely manual for me. three reasons really....
firstly, I never drive in town, don't ever see traffic. In ten years in my current job and over a hundred thousand commuting miles, I've not been in a traffic jam yet.
secondly, I abhor waste, so lugging the autobox around and paying extra for all that fuel is just not on. Thinking about it, in that ten year spell, I've saved almost £5,000 by not having an auto.
and then there's the real reason - a correctly-executed gearchange is one of the best things in life, something to practice over and over again and to take pleasure in over and over again. why should I want a machine to do that for me ? It would be like buying the latest cd and then listening to the same msic played as a ringtone
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secondly, I abhor waste, so lugging the autobox around and paying extra for all that fuel is just not on. .....
and this, from a man who owns (amongst many things) a Bentley Arnage ..... :-? :-? :-? :-?
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secondly, I abhor waste, so lugging the autobox around and paying extra for all that fuel is just not on. Thinking about it, in that ten year spell, I've saved almost £5,000 by not having an auto.
My math is quite good, but I dont see how you can come to that conclusion when taking into account various things including the varying price of fuel over the last decade. :-/
It would require some serious sums. ;D
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definitely manual for me. three reasons really....
firstly, I never drive in town, don't ever see traffic. In ten years in my current job and over a hundred thousand commuting miles, I've not been in a traffic jam yet.
secondly, I abhor waste, so lugging the autobox around and paying extra for all that fuel is just not on. Thinking about it, in that ten year spell, I've saved almost £5,000 by not having an auto.
and then there's the real reason - a correctly-executed gearchange is one of the best things in life, something to practice over and over again and to take pleasure in over and over again. why should I want a machine to do that for me ? It would be like buying the latest cd and then listening to the same msic played as a ringtone
I can easily think of better things than a gear change, apart from the obvious. Have you considered removing your starter motor and fittiing a starting handle if you don't want machines to do the work? :) :D ;D
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Auto while "pressing on" on a twisty B road: Just don't bother. ;D ....
and why would you buy a motorway cruiser specifically for twisty B roads? That'd be like buying your Lotus 7/etc and being upset that they were noisy & unforgiving on the motorway.
My Westfield was a life-saver on the motorway when a Heron decided to land about 50m in front of me in the fast lane of the M4 to eat some rep's discarded sandwich. Had I attempted that quick a lane change in any other car I'd have ended up on my roof. :o
If you want to "play on twisty "B" roads with the auto it is exceedingly easy, and great fun ..
Select "S" button to "ON". Place gear selector in position 2.
Drive ....... you now have a 2 geared car.... 1st to 50 ish, 2nd to 80 ish.... and if you want more than 80 your "B" road is not twisty enough.
My point, I think. Where's the fun in that? ;)
Kevin
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My Westfield was a life-saver on the motorway when a Heron decided to land about 50m in front of me in the fast lane of the M4 to eat some rep's discarded sandwich. Had I attempted that quick a lane change in any other car I'd have ended up on my roof. :o .......
But in your Omega you'd have had ABS and had that not been enough then you'd have just ended up with a flat heron .............. ;) ;)
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My Westfield was a life-saver on the motorway when a Heron decided to land about 50m in front of me in the fast lane of the M4 to eat some rep's discarded sandwich. Had I attempted that quick a lane change in any other car I'd have ended up on my roof. :o .......
But in your Omega you'd have had ABS and had that not been enough then you'd have just ended up with a flat heron .............. ;) ;)
An Omega driver would have been concentrating to the point of being able to stop in the space available..... :y :y :y
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My Westfield was a life-saver on the motorway when a Heron decided to land about 50m in front of me in the fast lane of the M4 to eat some rep's discarded sandwich. Had I attempted that quick a lane change in any other car I'd have ended up on my roof. :o .......
But in your Omega you'd have had ABS and had that not been enough then you'd have just ended up with a flat heron .............. ;) ;)
An Omega driver would have been concentrating to the point of being able to stop in the space available..... :y :y :y
Bull-Crap.
I'd have gunned the throttle and made sure the greedy bird was deaded! :D
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My Westfield was a life-saver on the motorway when a Heron decided to land about 50m in front of me in the fast lane of the M4 to eat some rep's discarded sandwich. Had I attempted that quick a lane change in any other car I'd have ended up on my roof. :o .......
But in your Omega you'd have had ABS and had that not been enough then you'd have just ended up with a flat heron .............. ;) ;)
An Omega driver would have been concentrating to the point of being able to stop in the space available..... :y :y :y
Bull-Crap.
I'd have gunned the throttle and made sure the greedy bird was deaded! :D
You wish, you need an MX5 to be able to do that, unless you are H21.... :D :D
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secondly, I abhor waste, so lugging the autobox around and paying extra for all that fuel is just not on. .....
and this, from a man who owns (amongst many things) a Bentley Arnage ..... :-? :-? :-? :-?
you wouldn't believe how many times I've considered converting it.....
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can someone explain me the reason of first gear ratio nearly reaching 90 km/hr ;D ;D ;D
that could be the most stupid ratio I have ever seen ;D the first time I witness it with a mechanic friend we were both shocked :o ;D
and when you are accelerating it continues to slip >:(
ok.. may be comfortable, but not for hammering drivers like me.. waste of engine power ..
and the slip definitely waste of fuel if you drive it mostly in traffic jam..
it will be my first and last auto..promise ;D
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that's actually a good thing.
you don't need a really short first gear for traffic in an auto
you can have a decent run up to speed without having to change gear
you can drop into first when you're driving
and because your torque converter is slipping, it's actually multiplying torque, so the car sees a much more powerful engine, probably 1.4 times
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<start omega analysis program>
INPUT No of pedals
INPUT No of legs
IF
No of legs = no of pedals
THEN
Result = Good
ELSE
IF
No of legs < no of pedals
THEN
Result = Bad
END
PRINT result
END
<end omega analysis program>
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
But I'm Jake the Peg ::)
I hate the Omega manual box, but certainly less likely to cause grief
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Auto for me :y :y it suits large cars, a possible exception might be for a small nippy car for country road fun...but not for regular running around town or commuting.......I must be getting old...... ::) ::) ::)
Yep, SWMBO's auto Jazz is brilliant, and very nippy, quicker off the mark than my TD (if unchipped as at present) :y :y :y.
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that's actually a good thing.
1.you don't need a really short first gear for traffic in an auto
you can have a decent run up to speed without having to change gear
2.you can drop into first when you're driving
3.and because your torque converter is slipping, it's actually multiplying torque, so the car sees a much more powerful engine, probably 1.4 times
1. auto owners may want green light drag from time to time ;D
2. useful only between 40-70 (km) if we think in terms of acceleration :-/
3. when the autobox is slipping I only see an increasing rpm but an unproportional slow increase in speed which is not the case with manuals ???
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In my view - two feet = two pedals. 8-) :y
Eyethengewe [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
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It's a simple answer but a manual is like a trumpet, you press buttons to make the noise change.
An auto is like a trombone you slide it for the same effect which in my opinion is smooooooth ;)
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If you want to "play on twisty "B" roads with the auto it is exceedingly easy, and great fun ..
Select "S" button to "ON". Place gear selector in position 2.
Drive ....... you now have a 2 geared car.... 1st to 50 ish, 2nd to 80 ish.... and if you want more than 80 your "B" road is not twisty enough.
Easily quick enough to take on most boy-racers ... :)
***Disclaimer***
Don't look at the fuel consumption data whilst doing this ... it is likely to cause consternation !!!!
Plus a degree of engine braking, and for an added bit of fun turn theT.C off 8-) :)
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Personally I prefer manuals and the one in my MV6 is exceptionally sweet. I can`t stand the way an auto box decides to change down or up when you either don`t want or least expect it, and they`re less economical too.
And as for the `how many legs have you got` is the daftest argument for something I`ve ever heard, do you have a keyboard with 10 keys on it?
It`s all down to personal taste and what you want from the car :y
Yes; an African Thumb Piano ;D
(http://www.african-artisans.co.uk/product_images/y/374/thumb_piano_10_key__44883_zoom.jpg)
PMSL, like it ;D
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You can't practice your Irish Dance Steps in a manual! ;D ;D
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If you want to "play on twisty "B" roads with the auto it is exceedingly easy, and great fun ..
Select "S" button to "ON". Place gear selector in position 2.
Drive ....... you now have a 2 geared car.... 1st to 50 ish, 2nd to 80 ish.... and if you want more than 80 your "B" road is not twisty enough.
Easily quick enough to take on most boy-racers ... :)
***Disclaimer***
Don't look at the fuel consumption data whilst doing this ... it is likely to cause consternation !!!!
I'm rather attached to operating my 'S' button too 8-)
As a mechanical idiot, does prolonged 'affection' for same prematurely knacker the box?
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I wont bother posting YouTube videos because quite frankly, I cant be bothered.... but, if you have a search and a view of a few Omega vids, you'll be able to see comparisons between Auto and Manual acceleration.
I noticed;
The Speedo rises in a quite fluid manner with an Auto, the Manual equivilent stops accelerating at gear-change (very quick gear changes at that).
The three gear changes required in a manual makes a 0-100MPH dash almost a second slower than the equivilent Auto.
A Manual will accelerate to 60MPH from 0 approximately 0.3seconds quicker (due to 'off-the-line' spurt).
These are all comparisons of like for like 2.5 or 3.0 Omega's respectively.
There are loads of vids. Take a peek, and post your own observations.
NOTE: All the timing I have observed are my quick (or not so quick) finger on the mouse to determine acceleration times.
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I wont bother posting YouTube videos because quite frankly, I cant be bothered.... but, if you have a search and a view of a few Omega vids, you'll be able to see comparisons between Auto and Manual acceleration.
I noticed;
The Speedo rises in a quite fluid manner with an Auto, the Manual equivilent stops accelerating at gear-change (very quick gear changes at that).
The three gear changes required in a manual makes a 0-100MPH dash almost a second slower than the equivilent Auto.
A Manual will accelerate to 60MPH from 0 approximately 0.3seconds quicker (due to 'off-the-line' spurt).
These are all comparisons of like for like 2.5 or 3.0 Omega's respectively.
There are loads of vids. Take a peek, and post your own observations.
NOTE: All the timing I have observed are my quick (or not so quick) finger on the mouse to determine acceleration times.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/summary.aspx?model=985
I think this will finish the debate who rules ;D :D
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I wont bother posting YouTube videos because quite frankly, I cant be bothered.... but, if you have a search and a view of a few Omega vids, you'll be able to see comparisons between Auto and Manual acceleration.
I noticed;
The Speedo rises in a quite fluid manner with an Auto, the Manual equivilent stops accelerating at gear-change (very quick gear changes at that).
The three gear changes required in a manual makes a 0-100MPH dash almost a second slower than the equivilent Auto.
A Manual will accelerate to 60MPH from 0 approximately 0.3seconds quicker (due to 'off-the-line' spurt).
These are all comparisons of like for like 2.5 or 3.0 Omega's respectively.
There are loads of vids. Take a peek, and post your own observations.
NOTE: All the timing I have observed are my quick (or not so quick) finger on the mouse to determine acceleration times.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/summary.aspx?model=985
I think this will finish the debate who rules ;D :D
Hahahahaha that makes me laugh! As if you listen to anything Parkers say!
Automatics rule!
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Auto for trundling along on your commute following all the other traffic while only barely awake: Great.
Auto for city driving: Great.
Auto for motorway cruising: Makes no odds.
Auto for towing: Makes no odds.
Auto while "pressing on" on a twisty B road: Just don't bother. ;D
Motorways - traffic jams - autos win hands down, I have had the sore left ankle.
Towing - less stress on the towing equipment and don't have to keep changing gear due to slopes as the car does it
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My Westfield was a life-saver on the motorway when a Heron decided to land about 50m in front of me in the fast lane of the M4 to eat some rep's discarded sandwich. Had I attempted that quick a lane change in any other car I'd have ended up on my roof. :o .......
But in your Omega you'd have had ABS and had that not been enough then you'd have just ended up with a flat heron .............. ;) ;)
An Omega driver would have been concentrating to the point of being able to stop in the space available..... :y :y :y
Bull-Crap.
I'd have gunned the throttle and made sure the greedy bird was deaded! :D
Holed bumper though - had one once from a suicide bird (Pheasant I think)
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I wont bother posting YouTube videos because quite frankly, I cant be bothered.... but, if you have a search and a view of a few Omega vids, you'll be able to see comparisons between Auto and Manual acceleration.
I noticed;
The Speedo rises in a quite fluid manner with an Auto, the Manual equivilent stops accelerating at gear-change (very quick gear changes at that).
The three gear changes required in a manual makes a 0-100MPH dash almost a second slower than the equivilent Auto.
A Manual will accelerate to 60MPH from 0 approximately 0.3seconds quicker (due to 'off-the-line' spurt).
These are all comparisons of like for like 2.5 or 3.0 Omega's respectively.
There are loads of vids. Take a peek, and post your own observations.
NOTE: All the timing I have observed are my quick (or not so quick) finger on the mouse to determine acceleration times.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/summary.aspx?model=985
I think this will finish the debate who rules ;D :D
Hahahahaha that makes me laugh! As if you listen to anything Parkers say!
Automatics rule!
;D
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They can't even get the number of cylinders right! :P
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Well. I'd say the auto wins here. Was i just unlucky with my last auto? I had a hell of a time with it. eventually i got rid and bought a roller skate (motorised of course) I think they called it a vectra. sorry all the vectra heads but not for me, My omega elite was so roomy and you can chuck em around a bit if thats your thing, more so than my senator.
Anyway are the auto's generally pretty reliable? was my last experience just bad luck perhaps. I'm getting too tired and stiff in the joints for too much climbing about under the car now. Cam belts and stuff like that ok but the thought of changing gearboxes etc brings me out in a very wet and cold sweat. What do you reckon. And thanks for all the great opinions so far. I have to say i do lean abit on the auto side. :y :y :y :y