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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Entwood on 18 August 2011, 13:46:28
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Car is booked into WIM next week for full geo as I'm fitting new wishbones this weekend .. if it stops raining !! Front tyres need replacing.
I have Falken FK452's, as recommended by WIM, and the only problem I get is a tendency to tramline. (I don't drive it as hard as some do obviously!!)
From comments in other threads I was going to go for Kuhmo KU31's, but WIM tell me they are no longer available and are offering KU39's, but t'internet research lists these as a "summer" tyre.
Anyone driving an Omega on KU39's wish to give an opinion ?? especially regarding winter driving ??
KU39's are £112 a corner, FK452's £108, so no real difference in price, anyone got any other suggestions at that sort of price point ???
I know there are as many tyre opinions are there are Omega's ... but all views appreciated .. :)
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The KH31s I had fitted were on Monday!
Either I got the end of the batch (gulp) or........ :(
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Car is booked into WIM next week for full geo as I'm fitting new wishbones this weekend .. if it stops raining !! Front tyres need replacing.
I have Falken FK452's, as recommended by WIM, and the only problem I get is a tendency to tramline. (I don't drive it as hard as some do obviously!!)
From comments in other threads I was going to go for Kuhmo KU31's, but WIM tell me they are no longer available and are offering KU39's, but t'internet research lists these as a "summer" tyre.
Anyone driving an Omega on KU39's wish to give an opinion ?? especially regarding winter driving ??
KU39's are £112 a corner, FK452's £108, so no real difference in price, anyone got any other suggestions at that sort of price point ???
I know there are as many tyre opinions are there are Omega's ... but all views appreciated .. :)
yep.. they are summer tires..but also useable in winter unless its ice or snow.. although I will always recommend winter tires when its below 7 celcius..
contis , potenza and ps3 (micheline) will be my preference still if budget permits.. :y
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Try Micheldever tyres, ku31 is known to work, to a point.
Anything else is better than ...
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Try Micheldever tyres, ku31 is known to work, to a point.
Anything else is better than falkens...
;D ;D
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Try Micheldever tyres, ku31 is known to work, to a point.
Anything else is better than falkens...
;D ;D
;D no prizes cem, question was too easy! ;D
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Try Micheldever tyres, ku31 is known to work, to a point.
Anything else is better than falkens...
;D ;D
;D no prizes cem, question was too easy! ;D
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;D I'm sure most OOF members could answer that ;D :y
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by the way (sorry to hijack the thread) , may I remind you (OOFers) who are planning to buy winter tires , please dont wait the snow to fall.. :y
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by the way (sorry to hijack the thread) , may I remind you (OOFers) who are planning to buy winter tires , please dont wait the snow to fall.. :y
Winter. We are still waiting for the summer here in Blighty, Cem.... ;)
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by the way (sorry to hijack the thread) , may I remind you (OOFers) who are planning to buy winter tires , please dont wait the snow to fall.. :y
Winter. We are still waiting for the summer here in Blighty, Cem.... ;)
;D ;D :y
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Been doing some internet searching, and some phoning around .. KU31's seem to be extremely rare .. everyone is offering me the KU39's ...
So, does anyone know what the differences are and how do they (KU39) behave on the Omega ??
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Been doing some internet searching, and some phoning around .. KU31's seem to be extremely rare .. everyone is offering me the KU39's ...
So, does anyone know what the differences are and how do they (KU39) behave on the Omega ??
imo KU39 will likely be more new which is important..
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The reviews I read say the KU31 is better than the KU39... ...I have a vested interest in this thread ::)
Entwood, what size are yours, wonder if they have stopped doing some sizes, as Pirelli have for P6000.
Personally, I run Dunlop Sport Maxx on my MV6, delighted with them, but our needs likely vary, esp as I don't think I'll get 10k from them :'(
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The reviews I read say the KU31 is better than the KU39... ...I have a vested interest in this thread ::)
Entwood, what size are yours, wonder if they have stopped doing some sizes, as Pirelli have for P6000.
Personally, I run Dunlop Sport Maxx on my MV6, delighted with them, but our needs likely vary, esp as I don't think I'll get 10k from them :'(
Present Falken FK452's are 235/45ZR17 94Y
The specification I've been searching on is 235/45/17 W as a minimum
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The Kuhmo web site actualy lists the KU31 as the prefered tyre for the car.. and gives one dealer in the area, probably give them a ring in the morning and see what they say.
http://www.kumhotyre.co.uk/tyre_selector.php
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as a note:
"KU39 are Kumho's "high end" tyre, KU31 is for "drifters" and KU36 for occasional trackdays. According to the Kumho website."
someone said in discussions..
http://www.automotive-electronicspecifier.com/Automotive-Products/Kumhos-ECSTA-KU39-Excels-In-Respected-Australian-Magazines-Annual-Tyre-Test.asp
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I have set of BF Goodrich Gforce on the front of mine and they have been there for close on 12 months and covered over 25k.When I tried getting a set for the back was told they were now very rare in 235/45/17.
When I checked the wear they still had over 5mm across the entire surface,although in fairness they are on the front.They have a very good tread pattern and my money would be on them for a winter/summer option if I could find a supplier local again.
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So, does anyone know what the differences are and how do they (KU39) behave on the Omega ??
Well, about £30 a corner for a start, unless they've gone up significantly since I last bought.
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The prices from WIM for the 39 or the 452 is almost the same, so its not mainly price that concerns me but how they behave.
Falkens get excellent reports/write ups from many sources .. yet the consensus on the forum is that they don't work well on Omegas.... I'd like to avoid a similar problem IF the same happens with the 39's.
Methinks that the vast majority of reports are from fairly light, front wheel drive motors... it would seem that the same tyres on a heavy rear wheel drive motor display different characteristics.
31's have been used by quite a few folks who have given their "approval" ... so I'm hoping to source them .. as there seems to be no experience of 39's .. :(
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Prestivo's. About £155 for a pair including balancing.
Made by Avon apparently.
Their handwash is good too! ;D
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Methinks that the vast majority of reports are from fairly light, front wheel drive motors... it would seem that the same tyres on a heavy rear wheel drive motor display different characteristics.
31's have been used by quite a few folks who have given their "approval" ... so I'm hoping to source them .. as there seems to be no experience of 39's .. :(
Yep. Reviews come from so many different drivers with different vehicles that they are almost useless, IMHO.
I am happy with the current KU31s. Not the best tyre in the world, but good all round at a decent price and certainly no vices when mounted on an Omega. In fact, mine are now wearing well and they aren't really exhibiting the tramlining that I've found usually afflicts well worn tyres which were fine when new.
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Go with the 31's over the 39's. :y
Worth finding a dealer with 31's in stock. The trouble is the vast majority of tyre dealers will try to sell you what they have on the shelf.
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Go with the 31's over the 39's. :y
Worth finding a dealer with 31's in stock. The trouble is the vast majority of tyre dealers will try to sell you what they have on the shelf.
true but that doesnt make ku39 a bad tire..
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true but that doesnt make ku39 a bad tire..
It does mean that it's pointless asking them for advice, though, 'cos the answer will always be that the tyre they want you to buy is the best, actually made by the same people who make tyres for the space shuttle but rebranded, also used by Steriling Moss,etc... ::) ;D
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The prices from WIM for the 39 or the 452 is almost the same, so its not mainly price that concerns me but how they behave.
Falkens get excellent reports/write ups from many sources .. yet the consensus on the forum is that they don't work well on Omegas.... I'd like to avoid a similar problem IF the same happens with the 39's.
Methinks that the vast majority of reports are from fairly light, front wheel drive motors... it would seem that the same tyres on a heavy rear wheel drive motor display different characteristics.
31's have been used by quite a few folks who have given their "approval" ... so I'm hoping to source them .. as there seems to be no experience of 39's .. :(
The consensus is that they don't work on the omega but don't go writing them off on any rwd car. Speaking from personal experience i had them on my m3 track car and my old 540, both considerably more powerful cars than any omega and i always really rated them, granted they wern't michelin pilot sports, but they came in at around £300 a set in comparison to at least £800 for mich's, and whichever way you look at it there is no way mich's were 2x/nearly 3x better performance or wear wise for the significant extra outlay :)
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The prices from WIM for the 39 or the 452 is almost the same, so its not mainly price that concerns me but how they behave.
Falkens get excellent reports/write ups from many sources .. yet the consensus on the forum is that they don't work well on Omegas.... I'd like to avoid a similar problem IF the same happens with the 39's.
Methinks that the vast majority of reports are from fairly light, front wheel drive motors... it would seem that the same tyres on a heavy rear wheel drive motor display different characteristics.
31's have been used by quite a few folks who have given their "approval" ... so I'm hoping to source them .. as there seems to be no experience of 39's .. :(
The consensus is that they don't work on the omega but don't go writing them off on any rwd car. Speaking from personal experience i had them on my m3 track car and my old 540, both considerably more powerful cars than any omega and i always really rated them, granted they wern't michelin pilot sports, but they came in at around £300 a set in comparison to at least £800 for mich's, and whichever way you look at it there is no way mich's were 2x/nearly 3x better performance or wear wise for the significant extra outlay :)
Just as well... I don't rate them on an Omega at all :o :o
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Robbie J here. I've been running my 2.5 V6 on Accelera tyres for a few years now. This is a premium budget tyre; very grippy and I'm getting circa 20K out of them. For around £40 a tyre, fitted inc VAT, I think these are excellent value.
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if we will talk about tires , imo best way to examine them is using measurable units like lateral g on corners, brake distance , lap time and so on.. for both wet and dry surface..
I generaly see users are biased somehow on some tires like they are after a football team ;D
so I'll mostly give importance to test results (although they dont try on every car and some testers are also biased) because even on a different car all tires are measured on same conditions..
so a tire having less lateral grip and more brake distance wont create miracles on your car :D
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
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Robbie J here. I've been running my 2.5 V6 on Accelera tyres for a few years now. This is a premium budget tyre; very grippy and I'm getting circa 20K out of them. For around £40 a tyre, fitted inc VAT, I think these are excellent value.
I too have been using Accelera Alpha's for a while, but they are a compromise for me. TBH, they are good enough to cope with Elite suspension but I'm not sure they'd be good enough when I change the suspension.
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The prices from WIM for the 39 or the 452 is almost the same, so its not mainly price that concerns me but how they behave.
Falkens get excellent reports/write ups from many sources .. yet the consensus on the forum is that they don't work well on Omegas.... I'd like to avoid a similar problem IF the same happens with the 39's.
Methinks that the vast majority of reports are from fairly light, front wheel drive motors... it would seem that the same tyres on a heavy rear wheel drive motor display different characteristics.
31's have been used by quite a few folks who have given their "approval" ... so I'm hoping to source them .. as there seems to be no experience of 39's .. :(
The consensus is that they don't work on the omega but don't go writing them off on any rwd car. Speaking from personal experience i had them on my m3 track car and my old 540, both considerably more powerful cars than any omega and i always really rated them, granted they wern't michelin pilot sports, but they came in at around £300 a set in comparison to at least £800 for mich's, and whichever way you look at it there is no way mich's were 2x/nearly 3x better performance or wear wise for the significant extra outlay :)
Blimey, they must have been awful :o
Michelin Pilot Sport 2 are bloody awful tyres. Fortunately, I've shredded them now, so thats the end of them. Downside is I need to find new tyres, thus my interest in this thread...
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
I use them(adrenaline).. they are really grippy for both braking and cornering.. and have very good results on tests.. other potenza models are also successful.. but like all other tires even they have deep threads they fade within time.. mine are on the beginning of 4th year (5-6mm thread depth) but slowly started to loose grip..
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
I use them(adrenaline).. they are really grippy for both braking and cornering.. and have very good results on tests.. other potenza models are also successful.. but like all other tires even they have deep threads they fade within time.. mine are on the beginning of 4th year (5-6mm thread depth) but slowly started to loose grip..
How come I only get 1 year :o
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
I use them(adrenaline).. they are really grippy for both braking and cornering.. and have very good results on tests.. other potenza models are also successful.. but like all other tires even they have deep threads they fade within time.. mine are on the beginning of 4th year (5-6mm thread depth) but slowly started to loose grip..
How come I only get 1 year :o
I drive another car also ;D :-[ :y
my year totals around 25-30k kms.. (and I have snow tires also)
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however , after I converted to manual rears began to erode quickly ;D :y
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
Re grip levels Not a patch on sc3... Although I'm comparing them with sc3 on a wider rim of 245 40 18... And can't remember which potenza I had, there are various compounds/sorts I balieve?
But then if that's a fair comparison, which it probably isn't, potenza will certainly last longer. Depends on your expectations. Certainly not a bad tyre. :y
Although certainly on like rim sizes, I would choose sc3 over them every time, as I had sc3 previously on my previous omega on stock rims of 235 45 17.
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
Re grip levels Not a patch on sc3... Although I'm comparing them with sc3 on a wider rim of 245 40 18... And can't remember which potenza I had, there are various compounds/sorts I balieve?
But then if that's a fair comparison, which it probably isn't, potenza will certainly last longer. Depends on your expectations. Certainly not a bad tyre. :y
Although certainly on like rim sizes, I would choose sc3 over them every time, as I had sc3 previously on my previous omega on stock rims of 235 45 17.
Chris please compare same size tyres.. ;D
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I love Toyos :y
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got avon zv5 all round on my mig and am very happy with them ;) also the last two cam from camskill performance @ £75 per tyre delivered overnight :y :y :o although that was 18 months ago ::) :y
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
Re grip levels Not a patch on sc3... Although I'm comparing them with sc3 on a wider rim of 245 40 18... And can't remember which potenza I had, there are various compounds/sorts I balieve?
But then if that's a fair comparison, which it probably isn't, potenza will certainly last longer. Depends on your expectations. Certainly not a bad tyre. :y
Although certainly on like rim sizes, I would choose sc3 over them every time, as I had sc3 previously on my previous omega on stock rims of 235 45 17.
Chris please compare same size tyres.. ;D
Did in the end, I finally remembered.. ;D
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
Re grip levels Not a patch on sc3... Although I'm comparing them with sc3 on a wider rim of 245 40 18... And can't remember which potenza I had, there are various compounds/sorts I balieve?
But then if that's a fair comparison, which it probably isn't, potenza will certainly last longer. Depends on your expectations. Certainly not a bad tyre. :y
Although certainly on like rim sizes, I would choose sc3 over them every time, as I had sc3 previously on my previous omega on stock rims of 235 45 17.
Does anyone know how much the Bridgestone Potenza's are a corner nowadays?
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What is the general consensus on Bridgestone Potenza's in 235 45 17 on an Omega?
I've had them on several front/4wd cars in the past and thought they were excellent!! :y
Re grip levels Not a patch on sc3... Although I'm comparing them with sc3 on a wider rim of 245 40 18... And can't remember which potenza I had, there are various compounds/sorts I balieve?
But then if that's a fair comparison, which it probably isn't, potenza will certainly last longer. Depends on your expectations. Certainly not a bad tyre. :y
Although certainly on like rim sizes, I would choose sc3 over them every time, as I had sc3 previously on my previous omega on stock rims of 235 45 17.
Chris please compare same size tyres.. ;D
Did in the end, I finally remembered.. ;D
I randomly figured that , if I wash the tires with detergent they grip very well for a period.. reason I frequently visit mechanc friend (I know him from childhood) and the tires covered with oil from the front of his shop :(
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I love Toyos :y
Which ones for the Omega ??
Proxes T1-R or C1S are the same price range as Falken 452 / Kuhmo KU39
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I love Toyos :y
Which ones for the Omega ??
Proxes T1-R or C1S are the same price range as Falken 452 / Kuhmo KU39
he drives a 4 wheel drive imo he can drive even with 1mm thread without problems ;D
t1r is better as far as I know..
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I love Toyos :y
Which ones for the Omega ??
Proxes T1-R or C1S are the same price range as Falken 452 / Kuhmo KU39
I have Proxes and in either wet or dry I find they grip brilliantly. They do however make a litle road noise but nothing to bad. Lasted quite well too :y
Have a look here Nige
http://www.1010tires.com/tires/reviews/Toyo/Proxes+T1R
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Coming from Falkens, which are exceptionally quiet, anything else will be loud, but I fancy Proxys might be a shock by comparison.
It's a shame Falkens tram line so badly on a car that's prone to it.
So we want...
Cheap. But good performance all round
Long life. But good grip levels
Quiet. But good feel and stability
Grip. But loads of miles
There's 4 compromises straight away. Bit like loads of peformance from your petrol engine but wanting economy as well. Something's got to give.
So what's the concern with ku39's?.... Unproven?
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So we want...
Cheap. But good performance all round
Long life. But good grip levels
Quiet. But good feel and stability
Grip. But loads of miles
I'll add my weighting to those parameters...
Cheap ----\
Long life ---------- 30% (combined as the 2 basically equal running cost)
Quiet 0%
Stability -----\
Grip --------------- 70% (combined, no point have grip if it won't go straight when requested)
Others, no doubt, will weight differently, for some, cost is everything, as proven by those poor souls who believe part worns work out cost effective ::) :P
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So we want...
Cheap. But good performance all round
Long life. But good grip levels
Quiet. But good feel and stability
Grip. But loads of miles
I'll add my weighting to those parameters...
Cheap ----\
Long life ---------- 30% (combined as the 2 basically equal running cost)
Quiet 0%
Stability -----\
Grip --------------- 70% (combined, no point have grip if it won't go straight when requested)
Others, no doubt, will weight differently, for some, cost is everything, as proven by those poor souls who believe part worns work out cost effective ::) :P
Never said it was cost effective, unless two part worms are all one can afford. Got that t shirt. Dunlops as it happens, and very grateful I was too. :y